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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

The Widow's Mites


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The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:38-40, is talking about the hearts motives of the relgious leaders of His age.

The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:43 and 44 is talking about the heart motive of the poor widow and her reason for giving.

On ‎2015‎年‎10‎月‎17‎日‎ ‎下午‎, robmac68 said:

Seriously??  If such were the case as you pointed out, we would not need the comparison that the "rich cast in much."  Many that were rich does not specify they were all lawmakers and scribes.  Rich were casting in a lot from their abundance but she cast in more.  If Jesus was pointing out they were robbing this poor widow, He would have just pointed out she gave all she had, now she has nothing.  He then goes on to point out she gave more than "all" that gave.  This was everyone giving, not just scribes and lawmakers.  He is pointing out her 100% and "all they" gave less than 100%.  This was not needed to be done if just pointing out that the scribes and lawmakers were thieves. 

And personally I don't see a widow being robbed.  Malachi 3:10&11 applies to her so she is being taken care of. 

robma68 is correct.

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Alan, I do not want to argue and cause strife... I really don't.  But I have to tell you that I see a reason for Jesus talking about the heart motives of the religious leaders JUST PRIOR to talking about the widow and her mites. Specifically he mentioned widows in verse 40 and I do not think it coincidental that a widow is to whom he is showing the example of in verses 42-44.  I can see we differ in thought on that.  I see the tie-in, you don't think it's relevant to what Jesus was saying in the next verses... so I will just agree to disagree with you (hopefully without hard feelings). I had to defend this point because you stated I was taking the word of fellow-mankind above the Lord Jesus and I wanted to explain to you why that's not the case.  Jesus' words do mean more to me than any mere human...   

6 minutes ago, Alan said:

The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:38-40, is talking about the hearts motives of the relgious leaders of His age.

The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:43 and 44 is talking about the heart motive of the poor widow and her reason for giving.

 

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Let's quote the account of the Widow's Mite from Luke's gospel:

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Luke 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

Luke 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luke 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luke 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luke 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury (husteresis) hath cast in all the living that she had.

The word "penury" in verse 4 of Chapter 21 is the same Greek word as the word "want" in Mark 12:44--husteresis

Strong's Greek Dictionary

5304. υστερησις husteresis

υστερησις husteresis hoos-ter'-ay-sis

a falling short, i.e. (specially), penury:—want.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]

penury

PEN'URY, n. L. penuria, from Gr. needy.

Want of property; indigence; extreme poverty.

All innocent they were exposed to hardship and penury.

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The word "want" (husteresis) is also found in Philippians 4:11:
Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want (husteresis): for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Therefore, the word "want" in Mark 12:44 does not mean "desire"....nor is there any indication in the text that the widow had a desire to give.

BTW, the poor widow was not "tithing"....she was giving.  The Biblical tithe was never money.

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20 minutes ago, Alan said:

The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:38-40, is talking about the hearts motives of the relgious leaders of His age.

The Lord Jesus, in Mark 12:43 and 44 is talking about the heart motive of the poor widow and her reason for giving.

Does not a person from the heart have a desire to give?

"Keep thy heart with all dilgence; for out of it are the issues of life." Proverbs 4;23

Did not the Lord Jesus judge the religious leaders in Mark 12:38-40 according to the desire of their hearts?

And, did not the Lord Jesus commend the widow in Mark 12:43 and 44 according to the desire of her heart?

Does not God, as the Lord Jesus, look upon the desires of the heart and makes a judgment? "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as a man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7

The Lord Jesus saw the desires of the heart of the poor, desitute, and poverty stricken widow and told us, and the whole world, she gave out of a heart of love.

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13 minutes ago, Alan said:

Does not a person from the heart have a desire to give?

"Keep thy heart with all dilgence; for out of it are the issues of life." Proverbs 4;23

Did not the Lord Jesus judge the religious leaders in Mark 12:38-40 according to the disire of their heart?

And, did not the Lord Jesus commend the widow in Mark 12:43 and 44 according to the disre of her heart?

Does not God, as the Lord Jesus, look upon the desires of the heart and makes a judgment? "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as a man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7

The Lord Jesus saw the desires of the heart of the poor, desitute, and poverty stricken widow and told us, and the whole world, she gave out of a heart of love.

Alan, you are reading desire into the text.  Nowhere in the text is there any indication whatsoever that the widow had a desire to give.

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5 minutes ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

Alan, you are reading desire into the trxt.  Nowhere in the text is there any indication whatsoever that the widow had a desire to give.

Did not you read Proverbs 4:23 and 1 Samuel 16:7? The Lord Jesus looked at the desires, at the motive, at the heart of this destitute widow and saw that she gave out of a heart of love.

For you, or anybody else, to say that she was 'robbed' and gave through the intimidation of the lost religious leaders is not correct.

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3 minutes ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

God does see our desires.  However, he sees forced giving as well.  He even sees people who are manipulated into giving out of fear and guilt.

You are correct. God does see our desires. God, the Lord Jesus, saw the desires of the widow and saw a heart of sacrificial giving. Nowhere in the passage of scripture concerning the widow, Mark 12:43 and 44, does the Lord Jesus say, or even allude too, that the widow was forced, or manipulated, into giving by fear and guilt. The interpretation that the widow gave out of fear or guilt is your own private interpretation; it is not the words of the Lord Jesus. According to the very words of the Lord Jesus, she gave sacrificially because she wanted too.

And, that is the same motive that a lot of other saints give their tithes and offerings, and lives. No fear, no guilt, and no intimidation from preachers.

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There is no indication in the text that the widow had a desire to give.  Nor do Jesus' words infer what you claim.

 

no fear, guilt or intimidation from preachers?  You are incorrect.  Preachers use Malachi 3 every Sunday to guilt and manipulate congregant's giving.  Every time they use Malachi 3 to prove people should tithe to the church, they do so in error.

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12 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

There is no indication in the text that the widow had a desire to give.  Nor do Jesus' words infer what you claim.

 

no fear, guilt or intimidation from preachers?  You are incorrect.  Preachers use Malachi 3 every Sunday to guilt and manipulate congregant's giving.  Every time they use Malachi 3 to prove people should tithe to the church, they do so in error.

I would suggest you re-read Proverbs 4:23 and 1 Samuel 16:7 and ponder what God said.

Have not you ever read Hebrews 4:12? "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and morrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Did not the Lord Jesus, discern the thoughts and intents of the heart of the religious leaders in Mark 12:38-40 and tell us of the wickedness of their hearts?

Did not the Lord Jesus discern the thoughts and intents of the heart of the widow in Mark 12:41-44 and tell us she sacrificially gave?

Maybe if you read why Abraham gave tithes and offerings, Genesis 14:17-24, it may help your spirit in the matter of giving to the Lord and His work and your interpretation of the widows mite.

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Jesus knew the intents of the heart, no doubt.  However, the text does not indicate the intent of the widow's heart.  

 

You accuse me of private interpretation earlier.  But by adding to Mark that the widow had a desire to give, you expose your own private interpretation.

I believe I know why Abram gave tithes .  Genesis 14:17-24 does not say that he gave offerings, so there you go again with private interpretation.

 

let's look at Abram's tithe, shall we?

 

Abram tithed. (Genesis 14:20)  However, what Abram tithed to Melchizedek was war spoils, (Hebrews 7:4) not his own riches. (Genesis 13:2)

Abram did not tithe his own property, but the property of others. (Genesis 14:22-23)

I suppose I could go to war, kill someone, take the spoils, give a tenth to a priestly king, (which would include any person who is a Christian, not necessarily a pastor) then give the remaining spoils to their rightful owners.

Of course, I would only need to do this once, since Abram is said only to have tithed one time in his lifetime.

 

why did Abram tithe those war spoils?  Historical artifacts in the British Museum may hold that answer.  The museum has in its collection, two tablets etched in cuneiform dating 2200 BC.  These tablets depict Babylonians giving war spoils to kings.

 

abram was originally from Ur of the Chaldees, a region of,... ancient Babylonia.

 

it appears Abram tithed war spoils simply due to an ancient custom of the land and people he grew up among.

 

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I've been studying the topic of tithing both from a Biblical perspective and a historical perspective for nearly three decades now.  How about you?

Likewise, I've been teaching stewardship for nearly three decades.

 

in the last 27 1/2 years, I have challenged pastors on the tithe issus, even offering $1,000 and a Nissan

Pathfinder to the one who could present any verse in the KJV that states money is to be tithed to the church.

 

to date, none have presented that verse.

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9 minutes ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

I've been studying the topic of tithing both from a Biblical perspective and a historical perspective for nearly three decades now.  How about you?

Likewise, I've been teaching stewardship for nearly three decades.

 

in the last 27 1/2 years, I have challenged pastors on the tithe issus, even offering $1,000 and a Nissan

Pathfinder to the one who could present any verse in the KJV that states money is to be tithed to the church.

 

to date, none have presented that verse.

That's because there is absolutely no command for Christians to tithe anything to the church. Such isn't even suggested. Unfortunately many Baptist pastors preach otherwise.

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14 minutes ago, John81 said:

That's because there is absolutely no command for Christians to tithe anything to the church. Such isn't even suggested. Unfortunately many Baptist pastors preach otherwise.

You are correct, John.  

 

What's sad is, they will pull all kind of Scripture out of context in an attempt to prove their man-made doctrine is Biblical fact.

 

I have even heard the "Render unto God that which is God's as proof-text.  Of course, that verse had nothing to do with tithing.

 

 

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All I stated was the fact that the Lord Jesus expressed to us the sacrificial giving of the widow. The widow, as a lot of other fine saints, gave because she loved the Lord and His work. The Lord Jesus nowwhere even alluded to the teaching of the Pharisees nor was she intimidated by them.

I do not blame any pastor not wanting to discuss the isssue with you. You cannot properly interpret scripture, and, sad to say, you attitude is poor in the area of giving.

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I have no attitude against giving.  You misjudge me.

 

I encourage people to give.  I believe a church that sticks to what the Word of God says should have finances coming in, even if only for building maintenene.   

 

However, a pastor who will add to the Bible text, trying to make it say what the Bible does not say, needs to close its doors until it gets its doctrines right with God's Word.  Such a church that twists God's Word into a lie doesn't need support.

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I wonder why, if this widow was genuinely being robbed, why did Jesus just sit back and use her as an object lesson? Why didn't he either go up to her privately before she put her money in, and quietly explain to her why she should not do so? Or why didn't he put a stop to everything the way he did when he drove out the money changers (who were robbing people - "den of thieves")? Why this? Why that? But nope. He used her as an object lesson and we don't know what happens to her after this account. Wouldn't sitting back and doing nothing when you know someone is being robbed be just as bad as the one doing the robbing?

(I personally think Jesus didn't do anything because the Temple wasn't in the wrong for accepting money from the laypeople. And because of her motives. Her heart was right with God. The money didn't mean a thing. Her giving the money didn't mean a thing. It was her heart. Her motives. Those Pharisees Jesus also used as object lessons could've dumped their entire fortunes to the last penny into the Temple until they were destitute on the street and it wouldn't have changed what Jesus said. Because their motives were wrong. Their hearts were not right with God.)

There is no command for the New Testament saints that says : Thou shalt tithe to the New Testament church!

But there is also no: Thou shalt NOT tithe to the New Testament church!

What there is, is verse upon verse upon verse telling us what our attitudes/motives should be like when we do give. If a person decides they want to tithe and they are poor as a church mouse, it's still their decision. It is just as wrong for us to discourage tithing, shame those who do tithe, preach against tithing, and teach against tithing as it is to preach for an exact 10% tithe, shame those who are tithing, encourage forced tithing (fear tithing: God will punish you if you don't, etc). Both are wrong.  There isn't a verse for or against the practice in the New Testament, but there are commands concerning our attitude/motives of giving.

What is your motive for preaching for tithing?

What is your motive for preaching against tithing?

Whatever ones motive is for preaching for or against a thing, you really need to make sure your heart is right with God first, before you start trying to convince others what God wants them to do with their money.

(the above is all general 'you' , it's not aimed at anyone in particular)

 

 

As a side note, this is why I rarely post here anymore,  it really saddens me when I see topics like this that end up with Christians at each others throats and taking sides. There should only be one 'side', and that is God's side. For some reason, tithing discussions arguments seem to always end up really volatile and full of venom.... and they shouldn't be, it's a topic that needs to be discussed in a level headed way, because it truly is an important topic.

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Leviticus 27:30-34, Psalms 147:19-20 & Acts 15:28-29 is enough proof for me to say tithing should not be taught. (Other than to let the congregation know it was a command for ancient Israel and not for the Church)

 

that, and the fact that Jesus said worship is in vain when man-made commandments are taught as if  they are doctrines from God.  Whether people want to admit it or not, the monetary tithe is a man-made commandment.  

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      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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