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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Oh yeah, and this might be a clue NN - 

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
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4 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Brother "Genevanpreacher,"

Does this mean that it is your belief that there is not a single prophetic utterance in the Old Testament Law and Prophets concerning our Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming?

Or, does this mean that it is your belief that our Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming has already occurred, and has thus already been fulfilled?

 

3 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I have a question Scott.

Does all mean all, or does fulfilled mean fulfilled?

If you have to add to Gods word for implications to appear, you are doing just that, creating implications.

I know this is said much too often, but, Scott, I believe the scriptures in what they say, not what I believe they say.

As I am sure you do also.

Brother "Genevanpreacher,"

1.  Grammatically, the word "all" always means "all" as modified by whatever modifiers are present in the grammatical statement.

For example - If I make reference unto ALL of the adult men in the congregation of Melvin Baptist Church, does that word "all" mean "all," including the women and children?  In my referenced statement, the word "all" does not at all mean "all" of the women and children.  In fact, in my referenced statement, the word "all" does not even include a single one of the women and children.  Indeed, in my referenced statement, the word "all" was modified by the prepositional phrase, "of the men;" therefore, it only includes the men of the congregation.  Yet it does indeed include ALL of the men.

2.  Grammatically, the word "fulfilled" means "filled up to the full," or "completely accomplished as presented."  However, the word "fulfilled" only means this in relation to whatever prophetic subject matter is actually being expressed in the grammatical statement and context.

3.  I did take notice that you completely avoided answering either of my questions concerning our Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming and concerning the Old Testament prophecies about our Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming.  Even so, I would request that you might actually answer the questions that I asked of you.

 

2 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

What the scriptures said about the coming Messiah, Jesus fulfilled.

What the scriptures said about what the coming Messiah was going to do, Jesus fulfilled.

In the NH and NE Jesus Christ will rule the saved from his throne, the 'Davidic' throne of the Lord God, on the earth in the New Jerusalem for the rest of eternity.

David will never rule Israel again. 

All the so-called 'prophecies' that dispyism teaches will apply to the lost people we term Jews, are fulfilled in Jesus Christ's fulfillment of the scriptures.

The end of that fulfillment is unending. He will fulfill all that applies to the saved, his ONLY people, throughout eternity.

I must admit that I am now completely confused concerning your position of belief on the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Therefore, I am moved to ask the following:

1.  Do you even believe in the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, or do you believe that this doctrine has simply been manufactured by "dispyism"?

2.  If you do believe in the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, do you believe that it is a yet future event, or that it is an event that has already been fulfilled?

3.  If you do believe in the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, do you believe that there was any prophetic utterances concerning that Second Coming included in the Old Testament Law and Prophets?

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1 hour ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I have already explained. If you want to twist my answer you can.

Thanks.

As for David? Tell me NN, just who is sitting on who's throne?

Acts 2 -

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

44 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Oh yeah, and this might be a clue NN - 

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

So...even though God's word says that David will be a prince and a shepherd again, you're saying he won't be?

The Bible is clear who will be on the throne...Jesus Christ...but that doesn't exclude others from ruling with him...

Just a few examples...

  • The 12 apostles judging the 12 tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:30)
  • Christians will reign with Christ (2 Timothy 2:12 and Revelation 20:6)
  • Not to mention the faithful servants who Christ will make rulers over "many things" and over "cities".

Are you saying that none of that will happen either...none of these will rule while Christ rules?

And you can stop with your little jabs; such as, "I twisted your answer". I did no such thing. All I did was point out what you left out or avoided in your answer...which I noticed you didn't answer any of my points. Instead, you responded with little smart-alack verbal jabs.

And you can stop with your little jabs; such as, "this might be a clue". I'm a grown man; not a sixth grader...you can talk to me like a man.

 

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2 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

So...even though God's word says that David will be a prince and a shepherd again, you're saying he won't be?

The Bible is clear who will be on the throne...Jesus Christ...but that doesn't exclude others from ruling with him...

Just a few examples...

  • The 12 apostles judging the 12 tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:30)
  • Christians will reign with Christ (2 Timothy 2:12 and Revelation 20:6)
  • Not to mention the faithful servants who Christ will make rulers over "many things" and over "cities".

Are you saying that none of that will happen either...none of these will rule while Christ rules?

And you can stop with your little jabs; such as, "I twisted your answer". I did no such thing. All I did was point out what you left out or avoided in your answer...which I noticed you didn't answer any of my points. Instead, you responded with little smart-alack verbal jabs.

And you can stop with your little jabs; such as, "this might be a clue". I'm a grown man; not a sixth grader...you can talk to me like a man.

 

The question was whether David would be ruling, and my answer is no, Jesus Christ is who is referred to as being on the throne of David, which also excludes all your other references for people ruling, as they are not ruling on the throne of David.

That man enough for you?

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1 minute ago, Genevanpreacher said:

The question was whether David would be ruling, and my answer is no, Jesus Christ is who is referred to as being on the throne of David, which also excludes all your other references for people ruling, as they are not ruling on the throne of David.

What question? Who asked that question? Who said David would be ruling instead of Christ? If I missed it, I apologize.

Still, that doesn't exclude the truth of God's word which says that David will be a prince and a shepherd once again to Israel. He will have some type of ruling authority...as will the apostles, Christians, et al.

5 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

That man enough for you?

You did good until you added that. You just can't resist, can you?

You still haven't answered my points from several posts ago. 

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3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

So...David...who was dead when this was written...

Ezekiel 34:23-24
23   And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24   And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.


...David will never have any rule in Israel again?

Sounds like a question. Am I missing something?

If or when Christ is on the throne of David, David is not.

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1 minute ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Sounds like a question. Am I missing something?

If or when Christ is on the throne of David, David is not.

Okay, I thought you meant that "the question" pertained to David ruling instead of Christ. Still, all I asked was...

So...David...who was dead when this was written...David will never have any rule in Israel again?

"any rule"... I never inferred that David would be "THE" ruler; however, he will have some type of ruling authority. All that I can see is that you're wanting to argue this point...and you're the one who brought it up. All I asked was if your position is that David won't have "any rule" in Israel...along with several other points that you still haven't responded to.

I agree that David won't be "THE" ruler, but are you saying that David will never have any rule in Israel again? 

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You still didn't answer the question, but that's okay.

 

7 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

He will not have a throne.

Neither will anyone else.

No one else will have a throne?

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:28-30
28   Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29   And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Christ will be THE ruler; however, he will delegate his authority and allow others to rule with him...on thrones.

 

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

He will not have a throne.

Neither will anyone else.

Only God will.

And Jesus Christ is the physical form of God.

So Christ will rule from his throne like David did ages ago.

 

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5 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I know this is said much too often, but, Scott, I believe the scriptures in what they say, not what I believe they say. (bold added by Pastor Scott Markle)

 

23 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

He will not have a throne. Neither will anyone else. Only God will. And Jesus Christ is the physical form of God. So Christ will rule from his throne like David did ages ago. (bold added by Pastor Scott Markle)

 

8 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:28-30
28   Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29   And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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I've skimmed through this thread just now and found just what I, sadly, expected to see. GP - watch your attitude. Many of your comments have been dismissive and smart-alecky.That is not to continue. Period. 

And let it be herewith known: just because one of us might not like a question about the Bible does not make it "fatuous." Be mature and simply answer the question, without unnecessary appellation. 

Here's another "f" word that seems to be going on on a couple folks' part: "fractious."  Enough already.

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On 11/11/2015, 14:51:02, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Brother "Invicta,"

I notice that in such discussions as this, you like to bring forward the above verse - John 18:36

Concerning this verse I wish to ask you a question -- What is the meaning of the word "now" in the closing line of John 18:36?

Brother Scott

I have not been available for a while however I am now.

  Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34  Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35  Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37  Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

The Jews handed over Jesus to the Romans saying he claimed to be a king. 

Jesus said , My kingdom is not of this world:(It is a spiritual kingdom)  if my kingdom were of this world,(Which is not) then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now (at this present time)  is my kingdom not from hence.(It is exists but is not of this world.it is a spiritual kingdom.)

Pilate knew Jesus was a king. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King?  He knew, and wrote above the cross .JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20  This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. 21  Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
22  Pilate answered, What I have written I have written. JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.20  This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.21  Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. 22  Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

But Jesus' kingdoms is a spiritual kingdom, not of this world,.Seeing as somebody brought up Daniel, let's look up a couple of his other prophecies, 

Dan 2:44  And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45  Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Jesus set up his Kingdom in the days of the Roman kings and when He returns with his saints He His Kingdom will break in pieces all the previous kingdoms. At that time, Dan 7:18  But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Not just for 1,000 years but for ever and ever. 
 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

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Can you define regeneration?

I am in it. Aren't you?

Yet there are no 12 tribes being ruled by the disciples.

Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?

Yes. The disciples are 'ruling' over the saved and elect children of God as witnesses for all ages to see. You know, the Israel of God, that are all the saved?

Sound silly to you?

It doesn't to me.

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6 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I have a question Scott.

Does all mean all, or does fulfilled mean fulfilled?

If you have to add to Gods word for implications to appear, you are doing just that, creating implications.

I know this is said much too often, but, Scott, I believe the scriptures in what they say, not what I believe they say.

As I am sure you do also.

Maybe I should rethink this sentence for future statements of what I believe.

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7 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I know this is said much too often, but, Scott, I believe the scriptures in what they say, not what I believe they say. (bold added by Pastor Scott Markle)

 

1 hour ago, Genevanpreacher said:

He will not have a throne. Neither will anyone else. Only God will. And Jesus Christ is the physical form of God. So Christ will rule from his throne like David did ages ago. (bold added by Pastor Scott Markle)

 

1 hour ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:28-30
28   Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29   And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

1 hour ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

????????????

 

12 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Can you define regeneration?

I am in it. Aren't you?

Yet there are no 12 tribes being ruled by the disciples.

Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?

Yes. The disciples are 'ruling' over the saved and elect children of God as witnesses for all ages to see. You know, the Israel of God, that are all the saved?

Sound silly to you?

It doesn't to me.

Brother "Genevanpreacher,"

Nice try.  But the whole point was whether or not anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ would sit on a throne.  You claim that you "believe the Scriptures in what they say."

Yet you also claim that no one other than the Lord Jesus Christ will have a throne.  Whereas the record of the Scriptures themselves (in Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; & Revelation 20:4) is that others will have and will sit upon thrones.  So do you really "believe the Scriptures in what they say," or not?  You see, God's Word says one thing; but Genevanpreacher's word says the opposite.  I wonder which one is actually correct?

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1 hour ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Brother "Genevanpreacher,"

Nice try.  But the whole point was whether or not anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ would sit on a throne.  You claim that you "believe the Scriptures in what they say."

Yet you also claim that no one other than the Lord Jesus Christ will have a throne.  Whereas the record of the Scriptures themselves (in Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; & Revelation 20:4) is that others will have and will sit upon thrones.  So do you really "believe the Scriptures in what they say," or not?  You see, God's Word says one thing; but Genevanpreacher's word says the opposite.  I wonder which one is actually correct?

Yes. I see your point.

So let me redo my previous statement. If you will allow?

I believe what the scriptures say, along with what they teach, being lead by the Spirit of God using all the scriptures together.

There, I hope that sounds better. 

In the above statement I mean that I follow what the scriptures say, with the thought in mind that the scriptures do teach things they may state, in various places, with import on blending together the knowledge of God, leading me to the correlation of the whole set of scriptures, within the cover of my bible.

In other words, every verse by itself is not clear doctrine alone, but the whole set of scriptures give the whole doctrinal picture for us to know what is right to believe.

Hence, in the regeneration of the disciples, they rule by testimony, not literal thrones, based upon the whole set of scriptures. It is because of them testifying through their preaching and teaching, the gospel of Jesus Christ and his eternal kingdom, and writing of the scriptures that teach that.

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7 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

 

 

7 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Yet there are no 12 tribes being ruled by the disciples.

Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?

Yes. The disciples are 'ruling' over the saved and elect children of God as witnesses for all ages to see. You know, the Israel of God, that are all the saved?

Hmmm. wonder why JESUS would say this:

Matthew 19:27 "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Pastor Markle has rightly brought this question to you repeatedly... your answer is still astounding! According to YOU, the actual words of Christ do NOT mean what they SAY??? You claim others here "twist" words??? Once again... astounding! The very essence of "replacement theology" is twisting and omitting HUGE chunks of scripture.  Not just old testament scripture, but the very words of Jesus!  Yet you say... "Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?"   Are you kidding? Jesus didn't know what He was saying? Blasphemy.

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7 hours ago, Ronda said:

 

Hmmm. wonder why JESUS would say this:

Matthew 19:27 "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Pastor Markle has rightly brought this question to you repeatedly... your answer is still astounding! According to YOU, the actual words of Christ do NOT mean what they SAY??? You claim others here "twist" words??? Once again... astounding! The very essence of "replacement theology" is twisting and omitting HUGE chunks of scripture.  Not just old testament scripture, but the very words of Jesus!  Yet you say... "Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?"   Are you kidding? Jesus didn't know what He was saying? Blasphemy.

Not replacement theology.

Covenant theology.

Getting that right is important.

You are being mean spirited when you say that.

Blasphemy?

With all the errors you have spoken about particular verses, your record is not good enough to condemn my view.

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