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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Genevanpreacher,

Your teaching is misleading, half-correct, leaving out important verses, neglecting to teach the entire truth, scorning the proper teaching of Pastor Markle, and scorning my post on Romans 11. Your conclusion, foolish questions, and arguments are incorrect and exposes your willful ignorance of this vital truth and doctrine.  

Romans 11:25 clearly states that this blindness to the nation of Israel is temporary. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye are wise in your own conceits: that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25

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Genevanpreacher,

Your teaching is misleading, half-correct, leaving out important verses, neglecting to teach the entire truth, scorning the proper teaching of Pastor Markle, and scorning my post on Romans 11. Your conclusion, foolish questions, and arguments are incorrect and exposes your willful ignorance of this vital truth and doctrine.  

Romans 11:25 clearly states that this blindness to the nation of Israel is temporary. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye are wise in your own conceits: that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25

So you can't refute my last post?

Sad Alan. You usually make a clearer 'argument'.

My teaching is misleading?

Atleast I have words in the verses saying what I believe.

Show me words Alan.

Show everyone reading this subject Alan, this "vital truth and doctrine".

Show me in words from verses in the NT that SAY what you believe about Israel being restored as a latter day prophecy.

Yes! Blindness until they get saved! 

I believe that Alan! But their job of bringing themselves back into their own land by Christians paying or giving money so they can return to Israel and get ready for some self made tradition, and using the sympathy of Christianity to accomplish that, is not God returning them. It is Christians being USED by godless people for there own cause. 

Once again - If returning to the land of Israel in the 'latter times' was SO important a prophecy, why is it not mentioned in the NT?

Satisfy my poor curiosity and prove my ignorance in front of everyone reading this Alan.

If you do, I will stop. Help me and those who dislike what I and others teach Alan.

Show us all Alan.

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The proof has already been laid before for those who eyes to see and ears to hear.

In you last post I sense that an underlying issue is that you resent Christians, or in the case of the United States government sending aid to Israel, to send Israel money because,  and I quote, "It is Christians being used by godless people for there own cause."

I for one, am glad, and honored, that the United States Government has seen fit to send material aid, financial aid, and militay aid to the nation of Israel, "for there own cause."

In fact, if there is any one on OnLine Baptist that is taking donations to the nation of Israel, for any reason that will help the Jews, lost or saved, godly or ungodly, elect or non-elect, please let me know and I will give a sizable financial gift. I will vote for any candidate in the United States that is for the protection and help of the Nation of Israel and I will gladly vote for any politician that will increase our taxes to help the nation of Israel.

I love the Jewish people and I love the State of Israel.  

May God bless the United States of America and the elect, chosen nation of Israel.

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So you can't refute my last post?

Sad Alan. You usually make a clearer 'argument'.

My teaching is misleading?

Atleast I have words in the verses saying what I believe.

Show me words Alan.

Show everyone reading this subject Alan, this "vital truth and doctrine".

Show me in words from verses in the NT that SAY what you believe about Israel being restored as a latter day prophecy.

Yes! Blindness until they get saved! 

I believe that Alan! But their job of bringing themselves back into their own land by Christians paying or giving money so they can return to Israel and get ready for some self made tradition, and using the sympathy of Christianity to accomplish that, is not God returning them. It is Christians being USED by godless people for there own cause. 

Once again - If returning to the land of Israel in the 'latter times' was SO important a prophecy, why is it not mentioned in the NT?

Satisfy my poor curiosity and prove my ignorance in front of everyone reading this Alan.

If you do, I will stop. Help me and those who dislike what I and others teach Alan.

Show us all Alan.

GP I am not Alan but I will answer your post.  

There was a time limit for the Jews to be excluded from the Land.

Lu 21:24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

God had them led away captive and said when that captivity would end.  As they are now returning to the land, God must have ordered and sanctioned it and the 'times of the gentiles' must be fulfilled of nearly so.

You could try reading The Restoration of Israel by Erroll Hulse.  It is written from a non dispensationalist view.

http://www.amazon.com/Restoration-Israel-Erroll-Hulse/dp/0854790004

I heard some months ago that Mr Hulse was in hospital after a stroke.

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The proof has already been laid before for those who eyes to see and ears to hear.

In you last post I sense that an underlying issue is that you resent Christians, or in the case of the United States government sending aid to Israel, to send Israel money because,  and I quote, "It is Christians being used by godless people for there own cause."

I for one, am glad, and honored, that the United States Government has seen fit to send material aid, financial aid, and militay aid to the nation of Israel, "for there own cause."

In fact, if there is any one on OnLine Baptist that is taking donations to the nation of Israel, for any reason that will help the Jews, lost or saved, godly or ungodly, elect or non-elect, please let me know and I will give a sizable financial gift. I will vote for any candidate in the United States that is for the protection and help of the Nation of Israel and I will gladly vote for any politician that will increase our taxes to help the nation of Israel.

I love the Jewish people and I love the State of Israel.  

May God bless the United States of America and the elect, chosen nation of Israel.

:israel:

Alan

A physical, red-blooded, patirotic, flag waving, son of the United States of America, and a Spiritual son of Israel.

 

 

Still no verses.

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No more verses are needed. "He that hath ears let him hear." The problem is not what I have taught, nor the scriptures given, nor what not scriptures were not given. The problem is a heart problem. You are seeking answers to your own contentious questions and neither I, neither the scriptures, can help such a contentious spirit.

 

 

 

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No more verses are needed. "He that hath ears let him hear." The problem is not what I have taught, nor the scriptures given, nor what not scriptures were not given. The problem is a heart problem. You are seeking answers to your own contentious questions and neither I, neither the scriptures, can help such a contentious spirit.

I don't have a contentious spirit at all. I just want others to see how you and others cannot show in words from the scriptures of the NT anywhere where a concern of Israel returning to their land is in any way shape or form a matter of prophecy.

They said that they were in the last days then. Why was it never mentioned about looking for Israel to return?

Because it wasn't.

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One problem with some folks interpretation of this is that according to their view Israel had to be reestablished before Christ could return. If that's the case, then their contention that the return of Christ has always been imminent couldn't be true. I the restoration of Israel had to precede the return of Christ, then so long as Israel didn't exist that would have been evidence Christ wasn't going to be returning.

Some of these put forth their view that since the time of Christ returning to heaven His return has been imminent. They point out how the early Christians, as recorded in Scripture, were expecting Christ to return soon. Yet then they proceed to put forth arguments why globalization had to occur first, that man having nuclear weapons needed to happen, that Israel had to first be restored, that computers had to become powerful and global, that the UN was necessary, that instant global communication was necessary...all these things and a few others are said to have needed to be in place before Christ could return.

The two main points cancel each other out. If all these things had to come about before Christ could return then His return hasn't been imminent for the vast majority of the past 2,000 years.

Are there conditions before Christ can return or has/is His return imminent?

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That is right John.  When I was taught dispesationalism, we told that Christ could come at any time, there was nothing left to be fulfilled till the rapture.  The revelation was mostly all future.    At their Sunday evening gospel service they often said today may be your last chance as Jesus could return tonight.  In fact our speaker last Sunday morning (non disp) said something similar. I have also heard someone say that the second coming would be after Rome was destroyed , Rev 18.  The same man said he thought the destructionswould be by a submarine because v17 mentions shipmasters, ships,sailors and those that trade by sea. 

I think he may have had a point. Which city killed the aspostles?= Rome.  Which city killed millions of the saints?=Rome Which city was drunk with thy blood of the saints?= Rome. Which city sits on seven Hills (Ch17)  Rome. Which city says she is queen of the earth?. = Rome.

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Our pastor speaking on this topic and told us (Sunday school class) that if we wanted to think we know what's going happen in the end times just read one book on the subject and never read another! He was saying this in jest, as he pointed out that if you read several books, each from a different perspective, most people will be as, or more confused than when they started.

Since each view put forth has at least some gaps, some questionable aspects, but most do seem to have some points of probable, or at least possible rightness, it may just be that none of the views are totally correct but more of a mix (what the mix might be would be open to more discussion, debate and probably contention!) of some of the views may be closer to correct.

Like our pastor says, if we know we are saved, if we are living for Christ as if He could return at any moment, then we will be ready for whatever comes before, during and after the end times.

Far too much time is spent haggling over details, even minute details, while forsaking the larger, overall picture of end times prophecy which is basically, be sure you are born again, live for Christ as if there is no tomorrow, be found living for the Lord when He does return.

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Mike started the thread, if he feels the thread hasn't played out (or wants the entertainment?), he knows how to unlock it.

Until then ---- thread locked.

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