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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."


      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:


      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”


      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?


      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Scientific Facts in the Bible.


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John 81said, "One of the things that struck me with so much awe and wonder after I was saved was my new appreciation for "nature". Suddenly I could see God's hand in all of creation and I remember the feelings within me to this day and how I praised God and thanked God so much and so often for the beauty and wonder of His creation."

Yea and amen. God's work in creation is clearly seen and the wonders of creation, nature, the universe, is a wonder to behold.

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The Water Distillation Cycle of the Earth

The water distillation cycle of the earth is very important to the life of mankind. Due to the fact that the water cycle process purifies the water it has also been called, “The Distillation Process.”

Job 36:27 & 28, “For he [God] maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly.”

The water distillation cycle is an orderly, natural and complex cycle that is for the sustenance of the physical life of mankind. The Distillation Process is also an accurate scientific and verifiable fact.

The simple water distillation cycle of the earth is as follows: (1) Atmosphere – Clouds; (2) Precipitation; Rain, snow or ice; (3) Runoff - snowmelt; (4) Infiltration – Groundwater or Subsurface flow, Lakes, Rivers, and Ocean; (5) Evaporation / Condensation – Heat of the Sun. The Sun drives the Water Distillation Cycle and Distils or Purifies, the water, during evaporation.

Without the water distillation process life on earth could not be supported and the earth would soon become a wasteland. Exactly like the other planets, moons, and asteroids in the universe.

The Distillation & Evaporation Process

Psalms 135:6 & 7, “Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places. He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain; he bringeth the wind out of his treasuries.”

Psalm 135:7, “He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth” the evaporation process distils the water. God caused or designed the water distillation cycle of the earth. Like all of the works of God, the Distillation Process is an orderly arrangement of the physical sciences for the benefit of mankind.

Martyrdom for Bernard Palissy

Bernard Palissy, 1510-1590, is credited with being the initial discoverer of the water cycle. Palissy believed that the physical facts mentioned in the scriptures were scientifically accurate and verifiable. Palissy was correct.

Palissy was a Christian and martyred for his faith by the Roman Catholic Church.



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Hope you enjoy the hymn, "This Is My Father's World." The words express of the wonders of the creation wrought by God for our good.



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It is a bright and beautiful Sunday morning here, and as I gaze out of the window...I catch glimpes of my Father's world.  That was a beautiful rendition of that song, Alan.  Thank you for posting it.  It is such a blessing to live in a tiny little town surrounded by the beauty of creation.  We are in a small valley surrounded by mountains and lava flows.  Many places on the mountain sides one can see where the great flood of Noah's day filled the valley and then receded.  We have rivers and springs and lakes; we have high desert and forested areas.  Not far away are two volcanic mountains, and many waterfalls.  In the wee hours of summer mornings we can hear the yipping coyotes, and the soft lowing of cattle. As the sun rays peek over the mountaintops, the many birds begin chattering, and roosters begin crowing.  Covies of quail often bob their way across the yard, and up higher wild turkeys can be heard gobbling.  Honking geese fly in V-formation overhead, while bears and mountain lions lurk and roam on the outer fringes of the valley.  

The beauties and wonder of our Father's world stretch, and I am so very grateful that the Lord gave me this place to be my earthly home.  Though I am blessed to live in such a beautiful area, I can yet see and witness the destructiveness and grievous consequences of mankind's sin.  It makes me feel very sad, but what causes me even more sadness is knowing the lost and perishing condition of the vast majority of human beings that God created.  Oh how we must be busy about our Father's business of sharing the Good News of salvation!  Are we truly being obedient to the first and second commands of the New Testament (Mark 12:30, 31)?  Do we truly care about the perishing?  We all must ask and remind ourselves often, "For to me to live is...??"

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Thank you very much for the above post. It was a blessing to my heart and I am sure that it was a blessing to all of the other brethren. You have a way with words that that are a blessing to our hearts.One of the reasons for this thread is to let all know that God created all of the beauty of the natural world for the benefit of man. Only because of the effects of man sin is the world polluted and deadly at times; through natural disasters, floods, accidents, and other forms of the effects of disobedience to God.


The other reason for this thread is to edify and strengthen the brethren in the belief of the written word of God. Also, in our age, through the errors of the teachings of Darwinism, skepticism, scoffers, and worldly philosophy, this thread is written to help restore the Christians belief in the reliability, accuracy, and the infallibility of the scriptures in all disciplines.

As God created this world in His wisdom and understanding, all things that He did are according to scientific, biological, mathematical, and historical order. As we develop this thread if any of the brethren want to discuss either what has already been brought out, or, a scripture verse dealing with the natural world that would help our understanding in the scientific accuracy of the Bible please bring it to our attention.


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Well, the science of archaeology has certainly proved out the veracity of the Bible more times than we can count.

Senaccherib's Prism verified the reign of Hezekiah and Senaccherib's attack on Jerusalem

Biblical places and peoples thought to have been myths have been found, like Ur, Assyria, Gath, Siloam, Bethesda, Golgotha.

And many others.


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Ukelemike is entirely correct. The science of archaeology has indeed proven that the scriptures are accurate, reliable and trustworthy. Throughout the modern age of archaeology numerous archaeologists have uncovered biblical cities mentioned in the scriptures, confirmed events, battles and nations listed in the scriptures. And, as time goes on and the the archaeologists have more scientific resources and data available, we will probably see other events, battles, kings, and personages mentioned in the scriptures verified by proven scientific archaeological study.

Good, honest, scientific methods will always confirm the accuracy of the scriptures. Unreliable scientific methods, dis-honest scientists, skeptics, scorners, agnostics, deviously use non-scientific methods to try and dis-credit, or cause people to doubt,  the validity of the scriptures. 

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called." 1 Timothy 6:20

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The Earth is Round 

The Book of Isaiah was written in 760 B.C. Isaiah 40:12-31 is a great discourse on the greatness and wonders of God This chapter shows the majesty of God in creation. Also, how insignificant we are compared to His greatness In Isaiah 40:22 God reveals to Isaiah that the earth is circular: or round. Isaiah 40:22, “It is heGodthat sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as the grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.”

Throughout the ages, men have taught that the earth was flat. But, if a person believed the Bible, he knew that the earth was round.

The mathematical calculations of Nicholaus Copernicus, 1473-1543, and the expedition of Christopher Columbus in 1492, proved that the earth was round Matteo Ricci, 1552-1610, helped the Chinese understand that the earth was round. True science validates the scriptures.


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Job 38:35

 “Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?”


In Job chapter 38-40:2 God asks Job numerous questions concerning the creation of the universe, the angels, the ocean, the earth, light, the stars, and the animal kingdom.

God gave this discourse to Job, and to us, to realize that our understanding and knowledge is limited and the knowledge, wisdom and the power of God is infinite. God said that lightning could speak.


Job could not send lighting from the skies and then make the lightning speak.


As man progressed in knowledge, some of the questions that God asked could be answered. God specifically told the prophet Daniel that in the last days knowledge would be increased. Daniel 12:4, “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”  


Benjamin Franklin discovered in June 1752 that lightning is electricity. This was a major development in the history of mankind. This discovery allowed other men of science to use electricity for the benefit of mankind.


Samuel Morse, 1791-1872, was the inventor of the workable practical telegraph. The first words of the first telegraph line from Baltimore, Maryland, USA to the US capital in Washington D. C. were, “What Hath God Wrought!” The word, ‘wrought,’ means, “to work, or to put together, a carefully thought out plan.” This is a quotation from Numbers 23:23 b, “What hath God wrought!” Samuel Morse was a strong Christian who gave God the glory for his inventions.


In 1876 Alexander Graham Bell invented the first telephone. The Chinese word for telephone, electric speech,「電話」 is correct and accurate. When we use the telephone, or any other modern day invention for speech, we are using electricity: i.e., lightning.


The statement of God, “Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?” is scientifically accurate.




I purposely entitled this thread, "Scientific Facts in the Bible," so that anybody who had a scientific fact, supported by a scripture reference, could put forth his own topic for discussion. And, any discussion on any of the topics already listed is still open to discussion.



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I agree! And what's more, is that God tells us that mankind is without excuse because His creation speaks of His existence and Godhead.  Those who attempt to pervert factual science with supposition and conjecture (such as "the big bang theory", "evolving from amoeba in pond scum" and even "global warming" nonsense) are not only in grave error, but God's word says that His creation and Godhead are clearly seen by mankind. 

Romans 1 
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So what does God do to those who willfully pervert the truth of God's creation and Godhead? He gives them over to a reprobate mind and furthermore to vile affections. I believe it is no coincidence that homosexuality has become so widespread... after public schools started teaching "evolution" (an unscientific falsehood). I see the link to this in the chapter of Romans 1

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There are many principles of God's word that are evidenced today and counted on by the entire globe.  One of them is the properties of light.  The speed of light has been determined to be 186,000 miles per second. When God said "Let there be light"  it is followed by the words "and there was light" Genesis 1:3. Given all the principles that are present each day to keep this world going, it would be a real stretch to use this verse and come to the conclusion that God took thousands of years for creation.  Lets take God at His word. It is His "universe" ( one word)

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Thank you very much for the short lesson on the creative act of God and the speed of light as recorded in Genesis 1:3

If you would like to expand on that subject, or another one, please do so.



Thank you very much for your thoughts. We always enjoy your discussions.


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“Is not God in the height of heaven? And behold the height of the stars, how high they are!”

Job 22:12.


The Immense Height or Distance of the Stars


The Book of Job is the oldest book of the Bible. The events of the Book of Job approximately 1520 B.C. Only God could have revealed the following information concerning the earth, our solar system and the universe as recorded in the Book of Job.


Eliphaz the Temanite one of the three friends of Job, said, This statement is a scientifically accurate fact.


The closest star, or actually a group of three stars, is, “Proxima Centauri.” Proxima Centauri was discovered in 1915 by Robert Innes, using a telescope. It took the scientific world from 1520 B. C. to 1915 A. D. to discover that the scientific statements concerning the immense height, or distance, of the stars from the earth, is scientifically correct.


Scientists use the stellar parallax method and the measurements obtained from the Hipparcos satellite to calculate the distance from the Sun to the Stars. Due to the immense distances involved, all calculations are derived from the Sun and not the earth.


“Proxima Centauri,” is approximately 4.24 light years from the Sun. There are 13 different calculations performed in order to calculate this distance. Using our fastest spacecraft it would take 78,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.


Scientists can only calculate the approximate distance of the closest stars. Even in our modern age, scientists do not know the exact distance of the distant stars. Nor do they agree how to measure the distant stars. Neither scientific instruments nor mathematical calculations can accurately measure the distance of the very distant stars.


The mathematical calculations to measure the distance to the stars is very complex and not easily understood.


The statement in the Book of Job, “Is not God in the height of heaven? And behold the height of the stars, how high they are!” is a scientifically accurate and verifiable statement.


“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.” Psalm 19:1


“Is not God in the height of heaven?”

God dwells in heaven and heaven is separate, and above, the universe. Both the Russian consonants and the American Astronauts have verified that, “God does not dwell in outer space but, “In the height of heaven.”


Russian Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin

  • I looked and looked but I didn't see God.
    • As quoted in To Rise from Earth (1996) by Wayne Lee; some websites quote him as saying "I looked and looked and looked but I didn't see God." on 14 April 1961, a couple days after his historic flight, but the authenticity of such statements have been disputed; Colonel Valentin Petrov stated in 2006 that the cosmonaut never said such words, and that the quote originated from Nikita Khrushchev's speech at the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU about the state's anti-religion campaign, saying "Gagarin flew into space, but didn't see any god there." Gagarin himself was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    • Variant: No I didn't see God. I looked and looked but I didn't see God.

Either way, Yuri Gagarin did not see God and the Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev confirmed that God was not there.


In the numerous American space flights none of the American astronauts, whether Christian or atheist has seen God in outer space. Thereby, confirming, that God is not in outer space.

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May God bless you heart with the song, 'The Spacious Firmament on High, by Joseph, 1712 and F.J Haydn, 1798.



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