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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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As the dust from the nuclear war clears from the atmosphere the sun will get hotter and hotter till it scorches men Revelation 16:8-9. In Gods mercy he will stop the sun and moon over Israel forming a permanent solar eclipse giving Israel a 200mile spot of shadow. That causes darkness on the seat of the beast in Israel Daniel 11:45 and darkness on his kingdom on the dark side of the earth in North America. Revelation16:10-11.

Total speculation. Which, if this was clearly presented as your personal opinion, wouldn't be a problem.

Notice in the first verse you cited it says the fourth angel was given power to scorch men with fire. This verse doesn't give any indication of a nuclear war or of the sun getting hotter and hotter.

In the other Revelation passage it indicates the darkness is very painful. This would likely indicate darkness is referring to something other than lack of sunlight.

Beyond that, if one considers the ramifications of your theory on this point they would be far more devastating and have a much larger impact that wouldn't fit in with the rest of Revelation.

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Total speculation. Which, if this was clearly presented as your personal opinion, wouldn't be a problem.

Notice in the first verse you cited it says the fourth angel was given power to scorch men with fire. This verse doesn't give any indication of a nuclear war or of the sun getting hotter and hotter.

In the other Revelation passage it indicates the darkness is very painful. This would likely indicate darkness is referring to something other than lack of sunlight.

Beyond that, if one considers the ramifications of your theory on this point they would be far more devastating and have a much larger impact that wouldn't fit in with the rest of Revelation.

cause and effect

The nuclear attack was in Isaiah 25:4-7 when the blast of the terrible ones destroys the veil over every nation and the covering over the whole earth. Heavens rolling up as a scroll. The effect is a hotter sun.

The darkness causes pain and teeth chattering because of the cold when the sun stays over Israel.

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cause and effect

The nuclear attack was in Isaiah 25:4-7 when the blast of the terrible ones destroys the veil over every nation and the covering over the whole earth. Heavens rolling up as a scroll. The effect is a hotter sun.

The darkness causes pain and teeth chattering because of the cold when the sun stays over Israel.

More speculation. There is nothing about a nuclear attack. Even the idea something in the atmosphere could be destroyed due to a nuclear war is speculation, which many scientists reject.

Prior to the first nuclear bomb explosion there were some predicting such an explosion would cause a chain reaction that would destroy the planet.

Aerosol spray was said to be the cause of the destruction of the ozone, placing earth in imminent danger. Such sprays were banned. Then the true scientific data came forth showing aerosol sprays had no effect upon the ozone.

In a short amount of time, if an entire area of the earth were to become a dark side, life would cease to exist there. It would just be teeth chattering cold, it would be life ending cold.

A nuclear war would pollute the atmosphere less than a major volcanic eruption; which earth has survived many times already.

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For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Its time to preach Jesus, the one and only savior of all mankind.

(Why is it spelled succoured and not succored?)

Because, MC, grammar wasn't the only thing that changed over the centuries since 1611. Spelling and shapes of letters have changed drastically. Many words were spelled the way they sounded, and not by a particular rule of spelling like they are now.

Comparing the Geneva Bible (1560) to the original King James Bible (1611), there are multitudes of differences between the two in spelling.

In most cases, comparing the same verses from each Bible, the Geneva matches our modern day rules more closely. Kinda wierd but true.

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More speculation. There is nothing about a nuclear attack. Even the idea something in the atmosphere could be destroyed due to a nuclear war is speculation, which many scientists reject.

Prior to the first nuclear bomb explosion there were some predicting such an explosion would cause a chain reaction that would destroy the planet.

Aerosol spray was said to be the cause of the destruction of the ozone, placing earth in imminent danger. Such sprays were banned. Then the true scientific data came forth showing aerosol sprays had no effect upon the ozone.

In a short amount of time, if an entire area of the earth were to become a dark side, life would cease to exist there. It would just be teeth chattering cold, it would be life ending cold.

A nuclear war would pollute the atmosphere less than a major volcanic eruption; which earth has survived many times already.

If it quacks like a duck!

Yes the dark side of the earth will be an ice cap.

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If it quacks like a duck!

Yes the dark side of the earth will be an ice cap.

Yet that's the point, some of what you are speculating doesn't quack like a duck so it's probably not a duck.

If half the earth becomes a dark side and an ice cap, those things described of men in those verses won't be occurring because they will quickly all perish. This doesn't seem to agree with other portions of Scripture in Revelation. Where do we read in Revelation of half the planet quickly dying? Of half the planet being unlivable? Then what about all the other verses dealing with other aspects of the wrath of God; where does it say those only effect half the planet?

These things don't add up when taking Scripture as a whole.

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Yet that's the point, some of what you are speculating doesn't quack like a duck so it's probably not a duck.

If half the earth becomes a dark side and an ice cap, those things described of men in those verses won't be occurring because they will quickly all perish. This doesn't seem to agree with other portions of Scripture in Revelation. Where do we read in Revelation of half the planet quickly dying? Of half the planet being unlivable? Then what about all the other verses dealing with other aspects of the wrath of God; where does it say those only effect half the planet?

These things don't add up when taking Scripture as a whole.

Isaiah 60:19-20 Tells us that during the kingdom age the sun will not shine on Israel even though both the sun and moon stay over Israel. That is a good description of a permanent solar eclipse over Israel. It started during the 2nd half of the tribulation before Armageddon see Habakkuk 3:11-13. the effects of the permanent solar eclipse is described in many scriptures about the day of the Lord. During a solar eclipse you can't see the sun, moon,or stars.

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Isaiah 60:19-20 Tells us that during the kingdom age the sun will not shine on Israel even though both the sun and moon stay over Israel. That is a good description of a permanent solar eclipse over Israel. It started during the 2nd half of the tribulation before Armageddon see Habakkuk 3:11-13. the effects of the permanent solar eclipse is described in many scriptures about the day of the Lord. During a solar eclipse you can't see the sun, moon,or stars.

Eric, have you tried looking at the context of the Scripture you quote? 

Isaiah 60 is clearly Messianic, & those verses are quoted in Rev. 21 as applying in the NH&NE, not a future millennium - which has an end & is not everlasting. 

In Habakkuk 3 the prophet is contemplating the Babylonian invasion, & the great encouragement when all the props of the Law have been destroyed that the just shall live by faith. He reminds himself of the wonderful way God led his people out of Egypt, through the wilderness to the promised land, & of the many specific providential blessings. Specifically Josh. 10:12-14 

 

 

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Eric, have you tried looking at the context of the Scripture you quote? 

Isaiah 60 is clearly Messianic, & those verses are quoted in Rev. 21 as applying in the NH&NE, not a future millennium - which has an end & is not everlasting. 

In Habakkuk 3 the prophet is contemplating the Babylonian invasion, & the great encouragement when all the props of the Law have been destroyed that the just shall live by faith. He reminds himself of the wonderful way God led his people out of Egypt, through the wilderness to the promised land, & of the many specific providential blessings. Specifically Josh. 10:12-14 

 

 

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Covenanter,

Yes, Jesus will make the heaven and earth new for the 1000 year kingdom see Isaiah 65:17-25.

Habakkuk is about the last Babylon that will be the kingdom of Antichrist which comes after Jesus comes and the just live by faith. Habakkuk 3:11-13 is about Jesus and the saints coming to Armageddon.

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Covenanter,

Yes, Jesus will make the heaven and earth new for the 1000 year kingdom see Isaiah 65:17-25.

Habakkuk is about the last Babylon that will be the kingdom of Antichrist which comes after Jesus comes and the just live by faith. Habakkuk 3:11-13 is about Jesus and the saints coming to Armageddon.

Brother, you need to reread Isaiah 65. It is not the 1000 years you refer to. The NH & NE are not present in the usual teaching of the 1000 year reign.

That makes the NH & NE in Eternity. (I like this blue color!)

Rev. 21 says -

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Isaiah 60:19-20 Tells us that during the kingdom age the sun will not shine on Israel even though both the sun and moon stay over Israel. That is a good description of a permanent solar eclipse over Israel. It started during the 2nd half of the tribulation before Armageddon see Habakkuk 3:11-13. the effects of the permanent solar eclipse is described in many scriptures about the day of the Lord. During a solar eclipse you can't see the sun, moon,or stars.

But, as most earthlings know, you CAN see daylight during a solar eclipse. I experienced a full solar eclipse back in '86. It was a little dim out but not dark at all.

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I've only heard a very few Baptists who preach this view (the view Invicta posted) or something similar.

Most Baptist pastors, here in the States anyway, preach a pre-trib rapture view, with the a mid-trib rapture view probably a distant second and any other view in the small minority.

Well John not many Baptists over here these days teach quite that.  Most Baptists, around this area who are not ecumenical  would follow Hendriksen I believe.  I do not follow Hendriksen.  Up to the mid 19th century, the only people who taught the pre tribulation rapture were the Brethren.  I don' know of any church who has in their constitution a belief in the pre-tribulation rapture,   The Brethren would assume it. Covenanter may know of some.  The only church I have come across that has it in its statement of faith was the American Church in Luxembourg.  I think it is now called the International Church.  Another pastor over there told me that they were SB. There were two members of our church who I used to disagree with but they are both in in glory now.  Our secretary is the son of one of them  and I suspect he is PTR as he is ex Brethren.  We did have a Brethren man who taught PTR .  One evening he spoke about Acts 1: 9  And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10  And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
 He said that this coming is only to Jews as Jesus was speaking to Jews. After the service I asked "Where are Christians at this time?"  He said "In heaven."  He than shouted "You don't believe the scriptures and turned on his heel and walked away. But someone who had been listening to the conversation said the me "The angel was talking to Christians."  I said "Of course he was." Those who call me a heretic and a false teacher must also call all Christians BB, false teachers and heretics.

Brother, you need to reread Isaiah 65. It is not the 1000 years you refer to. The NH & NE are not present in the usual teaching of the 1000 year reign.

That makes the NH & NE in Eternity. (I like this blue color!)

Rev. 21 says -

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But, as most earthlings know, you CAN see daylight during a solar eclipse. I experienced a full solar eclipse back in '86. It was a little dim out but not dark at all.

I saw the eclipse in 1999 and was trying to take pictures of it I got a couple just before it went total when my film ran out (those were the days)  It was certainly too dark to change my film so I didn't get any more pictures. It was fairly cloudy and the pictures I took were a crescent sun through the clouds.

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Brother, you need to reread Isaiah 65. It is not the 1000 years you refer to. The NH & NE are not present in the usual teaching of the 1000 year reign.

That makes the NH & NE in Eternity. (I like this blue color!)

Rev. 21 says -

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But, as most earthlings know, you CAN see daylight during a solar eclipse. I experienced a full solar eclipse back in '86. It was a little dim out but not dark at all.

The twilight keeps people from seeing the stars and since the sun is behind the moon you don't see it or the moon.

If you read Isaiah 65:17-25 you will notice that the heavens and earth are renewed but there is still sin and death during the 1000year kingdom. The new heaven and earth in eternity will not have sin or death in them.

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Eric,

Very good! Amazing what happens when a person carefully reads, and rightly divides, the scriptures. There is a lot of study that needs to be involved in Isaiah 65:17-25 and Revelation 20 and Revelation 21:1 These three passages need a lot of detailed study and prayer to fully understand the future things of God.

Thank you again for your correct interpretation.

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The twilight keeps people from seeing the stars and since the sun is behind the moon you don't see it or the moon.

If you read Isaiah 65:17-25 you will notice that the heavens and earth are renewed but there is still sin and death during the 1000year kingdom. The new heaven and earth in eternity will not have sin or death in them.

Eric,

Very good! Amazing what happens when a person carefully reads, and rightly divides, the scriptures. There is a lot of study that needs to be involved in Isaiah 65:17-25 and Revelation 20 and Revelation 21:1 These three passages need a lot of detailed study and prayer to fully understand the future things of God.

Thank you again for your correct interpretation.

You both are wrong in your understanding of this section of verses and it makes me sad that you only see what you have been trained to believe - the teachings of some men in the past, who among other things wants you to think more highly of a bloodline of false doctrines, than to know the scriptures and what they really teach.

 

There is only one time there is a NH & NE. And that is in Eternity.

 

Thank you Alan for putting yourself in with this teaching, it shows your 'view' for what it is, training by men in the past who really want us to worship a 'people' who claim God as their own, and want Christianity to treat them as such - gods ; a people that do not have God as their Father and do lie to cover the true teachings of the word of God as they have always been taught.

 

Enough said. (and notice that I didn't use ANY bold or colored letters?)

If it quacks like a duck!

Yes the dark side of the earth will be an ice cap.

And where oh where do you get this?

Guess we should stock up on wool blankets, eh?

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You both are wrong in your understanding of this section of verses and it makes me sad that you only see what you have been trained to believe - the teachings of some men in the past, who among other things wants you to think more highly of a bloodline of false doctrines, than to know the scriptures and what they really teach.

 

There is only one time there is a NH & NE. And that is in Eternity.

 

Thank you Alan for putting yourself in with this teaching, it shows your 'view' for what it is, training by men in the past who really want us to worship a 'people' who claim God as their own, and want Christianity to treat them as such - gods ; a people that do not have God as their Father and do lie to cover the true teachings of the word of God as they have always been taught.

 

Enough said. (and notice that I didn't use ANY bold or colored letters?)

And where oh where do you get this?

Guess we should stock up on wool blankets, eh?

GP,

Isaiah 60:1-2, 19-20

Jesus will come to Israel who sits in darkness while the rest of the world is scorched by the sun. The kingdom begins in verse 3, notice that the sun and moon do not give light to Israel but they don't withdraw or set. The kingdom of Antichrist will stay dark as judgment from God. The New Jerusalem will be over Israel in the shadow of the moon so the light of Jesus glory will shine down on Israel. The rest of the people will come to Israel to look up and see the light of Jesus. Out side the shadow of the moon the sun's light will hurt the peoples eyes.

 

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Isaiah 1-2, 19-20

Jesus will come to Israel who sits in darkness while the rest of the world is scorched by the sun. The kingdom begins in verse 3, notice that the sun and moon do not give light to Israel but they don't withdraw or set. The kingdom of Antichrist will stay dark as judgment from God. The New Jerusalem will be over Israel in the shadow of the moon so the light of Jesus glory will shine down on Israel. The rest of the people will come to Israel to look up and see the light of Jesus. Out side the shadow of the moon the sun's light will hurt the peoples eyes.

 

The Pope is Antichrist why look further?

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The Pope is Antichrist why look further?

The Pope will probably be head of the apostate Christian church called Mystery Babylon. The head of Mystery Babylon will tell the kings of the earth what to do till God puts it in the kings hearts to give their power to the Antichrist see Revelation 17:12-18 .

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