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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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The Shemitah is for the nation of Israel, not for the nations.  Our "preparation" should be for the coming of the Lord Jesus to rapture/catch up His Church.  We should be busy sharing the gospel with the lost.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

40% of the Jewish people live in the USA.

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Dear Eric: The 7th Shemitah is NOT in the bible.   As I believe many above have also pointed out. So even IF many Jewish people live in the US right now, what of it? Matthew 24 is talking to the Jews that will be in Israel during the time all the bad things it references are happening... for instance verse 15 tells of a specific event that will happen in Israel, and more specifically on the altar in the temple. If we have any about that, then the next verse tells us (Matthew 24:16)  "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".  WHERE? Judaea, not the USA.  

Then in verse 32: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:"
The fig tree Jesus references here is Israel, it's branch is tender, it is putting forth leaves.

Do you understand the parable, Eric?  Do you know why Jesus spoke in parables?  In Matthew 13:10-11  the answer is found:

10 "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"     11 "He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

Once again, I hope you will get your "understanding" from the bible and if you still don't understand, then you pray for God to help you through the Holy Spirit. You must first be saved or it will all be foolishness to you. (1st Corinthians 1:18 and Matthew 6:33) . Where should we get our "understanding"?  We should search the scriptures daily (Acts 17:11), and live by the words of God (Matthew 4:4).  

Do you attend an Independent Fundamental Baptist church? (Your profile states you are IFB, and if you are not IFB you should change that because it would be a lie to say you are when you're not, right?)  I've never heard ANY IFB preacher teach on the "7th Shemitah" .   You never answered my questions above: What does your pastor think about the "7th Shemitah"? What did you learn in the bible about the "7th Shemitah"? 

 God never once tells us to turn on the TV and listen to all the various teachers (very few of which even believe the same thing even amongst themselves), He doesn't tell us to watch a video about it either... Ephesians 4:14 4 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"

 

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Dear Eric: The 7th Shemitah is NOT in the bible.   As I believe many above have also pointed out. So even IF many Jewish people live in the US right now, what of it? Matthew 24 is talking to the Jews that will be in Israel during the time all the bad things it references are happening... for instance verse 15 tells of a specific event that will happen in Israel, and more specifically on the altar in the temple. If we have any about that, then the next verse tells us (Matthew 24:16)  "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".  WHERE? Judaea, not the USA.  

Then in verse 32: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:"
The fig tree Jesus references here is Israel, it's branch is tender, it is putting forth leaves.

Do you understand the parable, Eric?  Do you know why Jesus spoke in parables?  In Matthew 13:10-11  the answer is found:

10 "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"     11 "He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

Once again, I hope you will get your "understanding" from the bible and if you still don't understand, then you pray for God to help you through the Holy Spirit. You must first be saved or it will all be foolishness to you. (1st Corinthians 1:18 and Matthew 6:33) . Where should we get our "understanding"?  We should search the scriptures daily (Acts 17:11), and live by the words of God (Matthew 4:4).  

Do you attend an Independent Fundamental Baptist church? (Your profile states you are IFB, and if you are not IFB you should change that because it would be a lie to say you are when you're not, right?)  I've never heard ANY IFB preacher teach on the "7th Shemitah" .   You never answered my questions above: What does your pastor think about the "7th Shemitah"? What did you learn in the bible about the "7th Shemitah"? 

 God never once tells us to turn on the TV and listen to all the various teachers (very few of which even believe the same thing even amongst themselves), He doesn't tell us to watch a video about it either... Ephesians 4:14 4 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"

 

Hi Ronda,

The 7th Shemita is the last year before the year of jubilee. I am IFB. My pastor never taught about the shemita. 

Eric

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Just my take:

 

1) Financial disaster -- I've been expecting that for over 40 years. The global economy is built on a house of cards (IOU's). We (the US) are long overdue a major depression but the government keeps the economy artificially afloat.

 

2) Judgement on this nation as a result of the law of sowing and reaping. -- I believe it started a few years back (I hope I'm wrong.)

 

3) The Lord's returning on (name any HIGH profile date: Y2K, end of the Mayan calendar, etc.) -- A month or more prior and after, maybe. On the date? Nope, too many people looking for that date.

 

4) Stocking up, trying to name an individual as the Antichrist or false prophet, etc. -- I find it amusing that I've known people who are pre-trib who stockpile or get concerned about what the mark is and people who are pre-wrath, mid-trib or post-trib who don't do those things. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

5) If someone believes the Lord could return TODAY to catch His bride away, shouldn't they have a desire for personal consecration and personal holiness in thought and action? Shouldn't someone who believes that the tribulation could start TODAY and possibly have to face martyrdom have the same desire? Shouldn't someone who believes the Lord could come TODAY to bring final judgement have the aforementioned desire? After all I Jn 3:3 says "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." What hope? The one found in vs 2.

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40% of the Jewish people live in the USA.

Do you believe in the restoration of the land of Israel and the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, Israel?  God is gathering His people Israel back to their ancient land of Israel.
 

Ezekiel 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
 

Just because 40% of the Jewish people live in the USA does not change the fact that the Shemita has always been for the nation of Israel.  The Shemitah has never been for the nations. 

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Do you believe in the restoration of the land of Israel and the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, Israel?  God is gathering His people Israel back to their ancient land of Israel.
 

Ezekiel 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
 

Just because 40% of the Jewish people live in the USA does not change the fact that the Shemita has always been for the nation of Israel.  The Shemitah has never been for the nations. 

Did he not do that with the decree of Cyrus?

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Did he not do that with the decree of Cyrus?

No....this s speaking of the final diaspora of AD70 and the final restoration of the Jews to the land of Israel, not the return from Babylon

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No....this s speaking of the final diaspora of AD70 and the final restoration of the Jews to the land of Israel, not the return from Babylon

Oh I see.   But it was fulfilled by the return under Zerubbabel.

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Did he not do that with the decree of Cyrus?

Yes he did.

That is the only fulfillment of the regathering of Israel. There has not been, nor shall there be, until Jesus returns and gathers all those who are of the saved house of Israel, along with the other nations of the world who are saved by the blood of the Lamb.

The book of Ezekiel was written about 570 BC. (prophecy)

The book of Ezra was written about 450 BC. (fulfillment)

The book of Nehemiah was written about 430 BC. (fulfillment)

And any other book afterwards, in the OT, shows any fulfillment also.

 

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Yes he did.

That is the only fulfillment of the regathering of Israel. There has not been, nor shall there be, until Jesus returns and gathers all those who are of the saved house of Israel, along with the other nations of the world who are saved by the blood of the Lamb.

The book of Ezekiel was written about 570 BC. (prophecy)

The book of Ezra was written about 450 BC. (fulfillment)

The book of Nehemiah was written about 430 BC. (fulfillment)

And any other book afterwards, in the OT, shows any fulfillment also.

 

Brethren,

The above post by Genevanpreacher is not doctrinaly sound. As Eric Stahl brought out Isaiah 60:1-22 is in direct reference to the future restoration and regathering of the nation of Israel. Not only is Isaiah 60:1-22 to be fulfilled in the future but so will numerous other Old Testament prophecies.

The restoration of Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah did not fulfill the propheceis of Ezekiel. Ezekiel, and the prophecies of the other Old Testament prophets, are to be literally fulfilled in the future. The interpretattion by Genevanpreacher is in error.

 

 

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Brethren,

The above post by Genevanpreacher is not doctrinaly sound. As Eric Stahl brought out Isaiah 60:1-22 is in direct reference to the future restoration and regathering of the nation of Israel. Not only is Isaiah 60:1-22 to be fulfilled in the future but so will numerous other Old Testament prophecies.

The restoration of Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah did not fulfill the propheceis of Ezekiel. Ezekiel, and the prophecies of the other Old Testament prophets, are to be literally fulfilled in the future. The interpretattion by Genevanpreacher is in error.

*chuckle*

Here we go.

Off subject for a minute, I guess.

I am a heretic for believing contrary to you and your belief.

 

Paul once was considered one also. Ever read this -

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

 

Ditto! 

 

By the way Alan, I am an independent Baptist. I have the right of independence, by God, to live by the dictates of my own convictions.

 

But thanks anyway for telling people what they already know from their own convictions.

(Can you please give me one verse or more in the NToutside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it.)

And please don't say 1948 happened and fulfilled that. Those are not all the house of Israel.

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*chuckle*

Here we go.

Off subject for a minute, I guess.

I am a heretic for believing contrary to you and your belief.

 

Paul once was considered one also. Ever read this -

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

 

Ditto! 

 

By the way Alan, I am an independent Baptist. I have the right of independence, by God, to live by the dictates of my own convictions.

 

But thanks anyway for telling people what they already know from their own convictions.

(Can you please give me one verse or more in the NToutside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it.)

And please don't say 1948 happened and fulfilled that. Those are not all the house of Israel.

Romans 11:25-26 Israel to be restored after the fullness of the Gentiles.

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Brethren,

The above post by Genevanpreacher is not doctrinaly sound. As Eric Stahl brought out Isaiah 60:1-22 is in direct reference to the future restoration and regathering of the nation of Israel. Not only is Isaiah 60:1-22 to be fulfilled in the future but so will numerous other Old Testament prophecies.

The restoration of Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah did not fulfill the propheceis of Ezekiel. Ezekiel, and the prophecies of the other Old Testament prophets, are to be literally fulfilled in the future. The interpretattion by Genevanpreacher is in error.

 

 

Bro Alan

Who is the "Thee" in Isaiah 60:1-22 ?

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Good questions. When I have more time available I will answer.

September 15, 2016 post

Brethren,

In order not to derail this thread, I have answered Invicta's question concerning the "thee' in Isaiah 60:1-22 on my Revelation thread. Here is the link to that study:

Regards,

Alan

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Dear "GenevanPreacher":

I agree that both Alan and Eric have the same understanding of those verses as I do. 

Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

So how long will Israel be in-part blinded to the gospel???
Until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (which hasn't happened YET)
 
If they are blinded in part to the gospel, we can assume they will AT SOME FUTURE point in time be "able to see" the truth of the gospel.
And how will they be able to "see it"? When (I believe, during the tribulation) He pours out His spirit upon them. 

You asked this question: "Can you please give me one verse or more in the NToutside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it."

So my reply in another verse in the NT would be yet another verse which helps this understanding:

Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

and WHO is Peter talking to??? Acts 2:14 tells us he is talking to " Ye men of Judaea"

and if there any doubt about whattime period he's referring to?
Look again at verse 17: "IN THE LAST DAYS"

So if he is talking to "ye men of Judaea" in reference to an event to happen in "the last days" what does that tell you????? Hmmm, could it mean that they will actually BE in Judea (in Israel) in the last days.  Of course, you will likely try to argue what you believe the "last days" to refer to. But I believe i have fulfilled a REFERENCE to ISRAEL being in their land again.

 

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Dear "GenevanPreacher":

I agree that both Alan and Eric have the same understanding of those verses as I do. 

Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

So how long will Israel be in-part blinded to the gospel???
Until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (which hasn't happened YET)
 
If they are blinded in part to the gospel, we can assume they will AT SOME FUTURE point in time be "able to see" the truth of the gospel.
And how will they be able to "see it"? When (I believe, during the tribulation) He pours out His spirit upon them. 

You asked this question: "Can you please give me one verse or more in the NToutside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it."

So my reply in another verse in the NT would be yet another verse which helps this understanding:

Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"  [Failure!* Where are the words "Israel", or "gathered", maybe combined with "into own land", etc.??]

and WHO is Peter talking to??? Acts 2:14 tells us he is talking to " Ye men of Judaea"

and if there any doubt about whattime period he's referring to?
Look again at verse 17: "IN THE LAST DAYS"

So if he is talking to "ye men of Judaea" in reference to an event to happen in "the last days" what does that tell you????? Hmmm, could it mean that they will actually BE in Judea (in Israel) in the last days.  Of course, you will likely try to argue what you believe the "last days" to refer to. But I believe i have fulfilled a REFERENCE to ISRAEL being in their land again.

 

No disrespect Ronda, but no you have not.

[edit] Peter is quoting from the OT, speaking about the, (then present day), days of the church in Acts. And yes I know you knew I'd say that, but it is true.

Any more? Anyone? Come on just one verse saying that Israel will be regathered in their own land.

There has to be one.

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That's hilarious... you didn't SAY it couldn't be a reference to the OT, you said IN the NT, lol.  And ACTS IS in the NT. Yes, he was giving reference to the book of Joel, however it IS in the new testament.  Any more "qualifiers" (after the fact) you want to make? 

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