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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I've heard it preached the verse in Amos is referring to the time (about 400 years) between the end of the Old Covenant and what we know as the New Covenant.

For 400 years there was no new revelation from God. God sent forth no prophets. Then John the Baptist, the voice of one crying in the wilderness arrived. Until John, there had been four centuries of famine of hearing the Word of God.

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I've heard it preached the verse in Amos is referring to the time (about 400 years) between the end of the Old Covenant and what we know as the New Covenant.

For 400 years there was no new revelation from God. God sent forth no prophets. Then John the Baptist, the voice of one crying in the wilderness arrived. Until John, there had been four centuries of famine of hearing the Word of God.

Yet there were 14 books written, for historical info, during most of that time, to fill the gap and show God never gave up on his followers. No famine there. There were always those men who followed the Lord in every century, and men of God to preach.

Never was there a "400 years of silence" like most modern preachers teach.

Just because people call it 'no new revelation' doesn't mean men didn't preach the coming Messiah.

Besides, if that kinda thinking were true, what about the 1900 years of silence since the first century AD?

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God continually judges the world and markets continually go up and down. Thankfully, this world is not my home, I'm just a passin' through!

We went shopping yesterday. We have two or three weeks of good in the house; which would last longer in an emergency and we rationed. Regardless, I trust the Lord to meet our needs today, next week, next month, next year, next decade, however long we are here.

I'm looking forward to that Great Supper in store for us when we are with Jesus!!

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OH NO ERIC!!! IT'S ALMOST UPON US!!! AAAHHHGGG!!!

 

*chuckle*

 

[I sure hope nothing happens, but when nothing does happen, I am sure you will find out something that is just as equal to imagine, for your next adventure into the un-prophetical version of the 'EJB'* style of bible study.]

 

*Eric James Bible.

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To all,

I knew this post would draw much condemnation. I have lived though many times of shemita reward and judgment at our family quarry. I would tell people that if our business got a great job the economy was going to crash. The last one was a mall construction job. I never knew why it was happening until I read Jonathan Cahn's Mystery of the Shemita.

To all you visitors it is likely that the economy is about to crash again because September will be the end of the shemita year again.

By the way I am bidding on the largest job that I have bid on in seven years. If we get it look out!

Don't try to tell me there is nothing to the shemita, I have lived it.

 

 

Wow. Eric? You are gonna let someone who isn't even a Baptist reveal some 'truth' to you?

 

"Since Shmita has not been observed formally for many centuries, we do not have that much to rely on. But there are vibrant roots deep in the soil of our tradition that are ready to give forth sweet fruits if we can nurture them and tend them with respect, curiosity, and creativity."

Wow! What about the seven?

That quote is from the "Hazon Shmita Sourcebook" 1st edition, August 2013.

The booklet is 108 pages of information about the Jewish community leaders trying to get the plan rolling to actually start Shmita again after many centuries of it not being observed.

Their timeline to start it?  They were hoping the 2014 year would be the start. The date? Sept. 24, 2014.

Their time to engage their schedule of observing the actual Shmita? Sept. 13, 2015 - Sept. 25, 2022.  (page ix Preface)

 

Very interesting booklet!

 

Just thought I would repost this for you Eric. Please reread.

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A small, 'Scott' type of quote, from the above Shmita Sourcebook - 

 

The one long cycle of Jewish life that remains relatively unexplored is the cycle of Shmita. The sabbatical year is no less central in the Torah than is Shabbat itself. Six days you should work, and on the seventh you should rest; six years you should work the land, and engage in commerce; in the seventh year (somehow) the land should rest, you should rest, and debts should be annulled. After 49 days, seven cycles of seven, the 50th day is Shavuot. And after 49 years, seven cycles of seven, the 50th is Yovel – the Jubilee year. In a formal halachic sense – in terms of Jewish law – most of the halachot of Shmita only apply in Israel. In practical terms, therefore, Shmita becomes headline news once every seven years when, invariably, there are arguments about how it should be observed in practice in the modern land and state of Israel. There is a good deal of work in Hebrew about Shmita, what it means, how it can and should be observed, and so on. Even so, inside Israel Shmita is mostly the intellectual property of the orthodox and ultraorthodox. Until very recently, few non-orthodox Israeli Jews have engaged much with Shmita, either as an idea or as a potential range of practices. Outside Israel, Shmita remains obscure. In the last two Shmita Years – in 2000-2001, and in 2007-2008 – I’m aware of a number of synagogues, mostly orthodox, which held study sessions on Shmita. Beyond a few one-off learning sessions: not much. It was in response to this, in December 2007, following a keynote given by Nati Passow of Jewish Farm School at Hazon’s second Food Conference at Isabella Freedman Jewish Retreat Center, that I said that we would launch a Shmita Project. Its goal would be – and remains – simply to put Shmita back on the agenda of the Jewish people; and in due course, through us, to start to seed it as an idea in wider public awareness, beyond the bounds of Jewish life. There are, I think, two broad – and somewhat distinct, albeit overlapping – ways for us to engage with Shmita. One is, in a sense, instrumental; the second has a deeper kind of intellectual integrity, but may also be vaguer. The instrumental use is simply about putting Shmita literally back on the calendar. Even in non-halachic Jewish communities, Shabbat is still different from other days of the week. Jews go to a Seder, or eat matzah on Pesach, even if they don’t keep all of the halachot of Pesach. So Shmita ought, in the first instance, to come back into active Jewish life as a distinct time frame – regardless of the content with which we actually mark it. I mean by this, things like: • Using the time from now until the next Shmita Year (which starts at Rosh Hashanah 5775, that is, on September 24th, 2014) as a distinct time-period in relation to Shmita: learning about it, getting people excited about it, thinking about how the Shmita Year could be different; and doing this in advance of the year itself. This involves publicly framing the Shmita Year as a year distinct in the life of a particular Jewish institution. How could or should we be different, during this year, than during the other six years of the cycle? • Then using the Shmita Year itself not merely to be different, in some way, than in the previous years; but also – for the first time in modern Jewish history; perhaps for the first time since Second Temple times – using the Shmita Year itself partly to start a public conversation about the entire next seven-year Shmita Cycle; • And then entering into a full seven-year cycle, from September 13th, 2015 to September 25th, 2022, with Shmita firmly on the calendar of Jewish life – with a sense of seven-year goals for institutions, being worked on through the full seven-year period, and with the seventh year itself being both a celebration, a culmination, and a period of rest and reflection, following the preceding six years. The second way for us to engage Shmita is indeed to engage intellectually (and indeed emotionally, creatively and spiritually) with the texts themselves: the primary, secondary and tertiary texts that introduce, explicate, and comment on the various ideas encompassed by the idea of “Shmita.

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Don't worry, as soon as Y2K gets here the grid will go down, the markets crash, random nuclear missile launches will occur, there will be mass riots, civil, religious, ethnic and racial wars in the streets. Anyone without at least 2-3 years of food, water and firepower will become slaves or dead...oh, yeah, well, hmmmm...

Never mind, I guess that's one of the older doomsday scare stories that came and went 15 years ago!

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How ironic that Cahn's own name rhymes with his false sayings (con!).

I come under so much fire for pointing out what this man presents. The obsessed with new and current prophecy crowd are lost in their own little world and hate anyone who dares point out anything that might burst their hot air prophecy bubbles.

Unfortunately, their constant red flag waving over the decades have turned many away from Christ.

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Yet, another eye opening statement from the author of the Shmita sourcebook -

Yet, many of us, even if we are Jewishly knowledgeable, know less about Shmita than we do about other Jewish traditions. Shmita does not in practice define Jewishness like other popular rituals or time-based traditions, such as Shabbat, Yom Kippur, or Passover. This is a learning journey for many of us; not just individually, but collectively. Apart from provisions in relation to money, Shmita traditionally applied in the land of Israel alone. So for over 2,000 years, when the Jewish people were separated from Ha’aretz – “The land”– Jewish faith and culture developed separately from the necessity, and thus AWARENESS, of Shmita.

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I hope there is no stock and bond market crash! I hope the banks don't close down. I hope the world markets don't crash too. We will soon live through the last day of the shemitah year. I hope all you men are right that nothing will happen.

Every one that has extra food and cash can eat it and spend it if nothing happens, but those that don't have them won't have the food and cash if God chooses to judge the world.

 

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Eric, First, don't panic!!! Philippians 4:6-7 says: 6 "Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." 7 "And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

God is telling us through His words not to worry (not to be full of cares about) things of this world,  but to instead pray about anything concerning you and once you turn it over to God you should then have peace about it... not to worry more about it!!! 

And instead of worrying about all the craziness going on in the world, what are we supposed to try to keep our minds on instead? Philippians 4:8 says: "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things".

I'm not trying to make fun of you, Eric, I can see your honest desire to know what wisdom God wants to give us.  I can tell you that the TV evangelists are not going to give you sound doctrine... SOME of them have SOME things biblically correct, but for the most part, they just want to part you from the money in your wallet!  So who CAN you trust???? GOD!!!! His words are found in the bible, and studying the bible is how we learn the wisdom God wants to impart to us! There really are no shortcuts there, we have to read and even study the bible! How do I know that? And how do I know HOW we are supposed to study? God tells us in 2nd Timothy 2:15  "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

God doesn't want us to get all upset about whatever the latest wind of gossip is. Hebrews 13:9 "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines...." God doesn't want us to just take someone else's word for things, he wants us to come to Him in prayer to ask Him to help us learn when we study the bible.  If we honestly come to Him with pure intentions He will guide us with His Holy Spirit.   But before any of that can happen we must first be saved.  

1st Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

And 1st Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.".

So we can see that first one must be saved... have accepted Jesus free gift of eternal salvation.  I hope you don't mind if I ask you if you've done that? If your answer is "no" or "you're not sure", then PLEASE send me a private message and I will be more than happy to help you know for certain how to "be saved" and have eternal salvation through Jesus Christ!  If your answer is "yes" and you're sure of your salvation, may I suggest you pray and ask Him for spiritual guidance? 

I'm not trying to belittle you in any way, and I sure hope you don't think I am... I just want you to know that the bible (God's word) is how a Christian should try to get their "wisdom", and not from worldly TV shows or youtube videos.  Not  that ALL tv shows or youtube videos are bad... I've seen a FEW (very few, lol) that truly glorify the name of the Lord. I'm just saying that the same time you spent watching a tv program or a youtube video may have been used to read the bible! We should really take advantage of reading and studying the bible here in the US while it's still a freedom.  There are people suffering severe persecution and even being killed just for reading the bible in countries in the middle east and elsewhere! And this sie is also a great place to fellowship with others about the bible... we can learn/help each other with some of the more difficult passages of the bible here on OB. 

Once again, I'm not trying to deride you, I truly just want to help you grow and learn in the Lord. And I'm sorry to say that the "Shemetah" is NOT in the bible! There are biblical "sabbath" years in the bible, but those were for the Jews under the Law. If you're a born again Christian, you are NOT under the law, but under grace! 

 

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I hope there is no stock and bond market crash! I hope the banks don't close down. I hope the world markets don't crash too. We will soon live through the last day of the shemitah year. I hope all you men are right that nothing will happen.

Every one that has extra food and cash can eat it and spend it if nothing happens, but those that don't have them won't have the food and cash if God chooses to judge the world.

 

Don't worry Eric. If something happens, it won't be because of the Shmita. If anything, it will be God's judgement upon evil leaders, possibly Jewish nonbelievers, who run too many banks or stock market type companies. We will be just fine. But as for them? Who knows. They seem to be the losers everytime something does happen. None of the past examples of Shmita 'curses' from God, affected me.

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Eric, First, don't panic!!! Philippians 4:6-7 says: 6 "Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." 7 "And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

God is telling us through His words not to worry (not to be full of cares about) things of this world,  but to instead pray about anything concerning you and once you turn it over to God you should then have peace about it... not to worry more about it!!! 

And instead of worrying about all the craziness going on in the world, what are we supposed to try to keep our minds on instead? Philippians 4:8 says: "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things".

I'm not trying to make fun of you, Eric, I can see your honest desire to know what wisdom God wants to give us.  I can tell you that the TV evangelists are not going to give you sound doctrine... SOME of them have SOME things biblically correct, but for the most part, they just want to part you from the money in your wallet!  So who CAN you trust???? GOD!!!! His words are found in the bible, and studying the bible is how we learn the wisdom God wants to impart to us! There really are no shortcuts there, we have to read and even study the bible! How do I know that? And how do I know HOW we are supposed to study? God tells us in 2nd Timothy 2:15  "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

God doesn't want us to get all upset about whatever the latest wind of gossip is. Hebrews 13:9 "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines...." God doesn't want us to just take someone else's word for things, he wants us to come to Him in prayer to ask Him to help us learn when we study the bible.  If we honestly come to Him with pure intentions He will guide us with His Holy Spirit.   But before any of that can happen we must first be saved.  

1st Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

And 1st Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.".

So we can see that first one must be saved... have accepted Jesus free gift of eternal salvation.  I hope you don't mind if I ask you if you've done that? If your answer is "no" or "you're not sure", then PLEASE send me a private message and I will be more than happy to help you know for certain how to "be saved" and have eternal salvation through Jesus Christ!  If your answer is "yes" and you're sure of your salvation, may I suggest you pray and ask Him for spiritual guidance? 

I'm not trying to belittle you in any way, and I sure hope you don't think I am... I just want you to know that the bible (God's word) is how a Christian should try to get their "wisdom", and not from worldly TV shows or youtube videos.  Not  that ALL tv shows or youtube videos are bad... I've seen a FEW (very few, lol) that truly glorify the name of the Lord. I'm just saying that the same time you spent watching a tv program or a youtube video may have been used to read the bible! We should really take advantage of reading and studying the bible here in the US while it's still a freedom.  There are people suffering severe persecution and even being killed just for reading the bible in countries in the middle east and elsewhere! And this sie is also a great place to fellowship with others about the bible... we can learn/help each other with some of the more difficult passages of the bible here on OB. 

Once again, I'm not trying to deride you, I truly just want to help you grow and learn in the Lord. And I'm sorry to say that the "Shemetah" is NOT in the bible! There are biblical "sabbath" years in the bible, but those were for the Jews under the Law. If you're a born again Christian, you are NOT under the law, but under grace! 

 

Hi Ronda,

I am not panicking but I am preparing for the famine Jesus told us would come as a sorrow or birth pain. The Shemitah may cause famine for some poor people. You are a kind person. I would never think that anything you said was a put down or meant to hurt. I do have the peace of God! I care about the body of Christ and would like to spare them from as much pain as possible. Acts 11:28-30 Agabus warned the church that a famine was coming. So did Jesus in Matthew 24:7. The church prepared for years so they could help others. Will the church today prepare to do the same?

 

Eric

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I'm so glad that the Lord has delivered me from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10), so when the things spoken of in Matthew 24 are happening, I'll already be with the Lord! (1st Corinthians 15:51-52 , and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).  So I'm not looking for famines, pestilence, earthquakes, and all the other awful things that will happen.  I'm listening for the sound of a trumpet!!!

Instead of worrying about the stock market and famines and all of the worldly woes, I am looking forward to this: John 14:1-3 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
" In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
" And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

Your profile states that you are an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I don't think you're getting your "teaching" from an IFB church, nor do I think it's coming from the bible, I think it might be coming from a TV evangelist and/or youtube? What does your pastor think about the "7th Shemitah"? What did you learn in the bible about the "7th Shemitah"? 

 

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The Shemitah is for the nation of Israel, not for the nations.  Our "preparation" should be for the coming of the Lord Jesus to rapture/catch up His Church.  We should be busy sharing the gospel with the lost.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

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