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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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 Atheists certainly will agree with all of the "I see no signs from God because there are no signs from God" Christians

Why do people try to make  nonsense  out of history  or current events when they are trying to deny that  God sends warnings before executing severe judgment when He prefers that people repent so He can show mercy? God is clearly warning America and the world, and any Christian who can't (or won't) see the signs is in my book half or more asleep....or just hiding in fear of Bugs Bunny and the rest of the cartoon world's opinions.

Again, people who pompously say "I'm a more mature and better Christian than you because I deny God's usage of current events as warnings or His judgment or endorsements of His blessings" need to find a better horse to ride.

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There are no more signs today than there have been in previous years such as during the days of Hitler.

 

Germany was being ungodly and God gave them signs warning of Hitler.....gave the whole world signs and they were ignored...until Hitler invaded Poland and people started to wake up and pay attention.   There were plenty of signs of what Hitler's intentions were as he rose to power, and there are plenty of signs of judgment coming on America.  I know a woman who was in Germany as Hitler rose to power, and she is pretty much losing her mind now as she sees the same things happening in America that happened as the Nazi's and Hitler took power in Germany.  "No more sign's" meaning, who cares, is just plain burying your head in the sand and not looking out the window pretending there is no new Hitler coming.

Go ahead and ignore the signs if you want to. 

No signs, no signs, no signs....Arrrggghhh

why are Christians so afraid to acknowledge that God is warning us of judgment that is coming if Jesus does not take us out of here first?

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Are you aware and prepared?

 

so what do you think is going to happen coinciding with the Seventh Shemita?  I think it's going to be and economic collapse due to the collapse of the dollar or the fall of the dollar from being the world standard currency....or maybe a large and intense middle east war.......or maybe some kind of cyber attack from China that causes US economic collapse, or disruption of transportation and food supplies...or a dirty nuke or EMP attack.  Christians have surrendered America to the ungodly, and God is going to take away the freedoms that Christian enjoyed when the laws showed some fear of God.

I am certainly aware, and fully prepared......not prepared for survival in this world because there is no such thing; this world is temporary and cannot be survived by sinners (though I do intend to have enough food to get through the winter if things fall apart, and sure ways to keep warm if the power is gone out for long days in winter).  I'm fully prepared because my sins are forgiven and I am going to heaven and do not fear any fiery trials.

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Germany was being ungodly and God gave them signs warning of Hitler.....gave the whole world signs and they were ignored...until Hitler invaded Poland and people started to wake up and pay attention.   There were plenty of signs of what Hitler's intentions were as he rose to power, and there are plenty of signs of judgment coming on America.  I know a woman who was in Germany as Hitler rose to power, and she is pretty much losing her mind now as she sees the same things happening in America that happened as the Nazi's and Hitler took power in Germany.  "No more sign's" meaning, who cares, is just plain burying your head in the sand and not looking out the window pretending there is no new Hitler coming.

Go ahead and ignore the signs if you want to. 

No signs, no signs, no signs....Arrrggghhh

why are Christians so afraid to acknowledge that God is warning us of judgment that is coming if Jesus does not take us out of here first?

Hitler was a RC and was put in power by the RCC.  He never won an election, just got enough seats for the Pope to order the Catolic party to vote him as Chancelor, then ordered the Catholic Party, the Zentrum, to disband. Hitler's deputy, Franz von Pappen  was the Pope's Chamberlain.  After the war von Pappen should have been executed as a war criminal but the Pope got him off and gave him a top job in the Vatican.  Is the Pope behind the events in America?  The EU, the fourth Reich, is gaining by stealth what the third Reich, The Kaiser, Napoleon and Charlemagne tried by war.  

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so what do you think is going to happen coinciding with the Seventh Shemita?  I think it's going to be and economic collapse due to the collapse of the dollar or the fall of the dollar from being the world standard currency....or maybe a large and intense middle east war.......or maybe some kind of cyber attack from China that causes US economic collapse, or disruption of transportation and food supplies...or a dirty nuke or EMP attack.  Christians have surrendered America to the ungodly, and God is going to take away the freedoms that Christian enjoyed when the laws showed some fear of God.

I am certainly aware, and fully prepared......not prepared for survival in this world because there is no such thing; this world is temporary and cannot be survived by sinners (though I do intend to have enough food to get through the winter if things fall apart, and sure ways to keep warm if the power is gone out for long days in winter).  I'm fully prepared because my sins are forgiven and I am going to heaven and do not fear any fiery trials.

The 4th blood moon will be a super blood moon over Jerusalem in September. If I were Iran, I would be watching the sky! If Israel attacks Iran, I expect the terrorist cells in America to be turned loose to attack our power grid.

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Hitler was a RC and was put in power by the RCC.  He never won an election, just got enough seats for the Pope to order the Catolic party to vote him as Chancelor, then ordered the Catholic Party, the Zentrum, to disband. Hitler's deputy, Franz von Pappen  was the Pope's Chamberlain.  After the war von Pappen should have been executed as a war criminal but the Pope got him off and gave him a top job in the Vatican.  Is the Pope behind the events in America?  The EU, the fourth Reich, is gaining by stealth what the third Reich, The Kaiser, Napoleon and Charlemagne tried by war.  

and anybody who observed the warning signs of Hitler's intentions, rise to power, and actions was wicked and like the foolish virgins who required a sign to believe in God.  Anybody who sees signs from God in current events needs to repent and learn to live by faith and not by sight.  People need to watch Elmer Fudd more and read the newspapers less, and live by faith like Yosemite Sam.

The 4th blood moon will be a supper blood moon over Jerusalem in September. If I were Iran, I would be watching the sky! If Israel attacks Iran, I expect the terrorist cells in America to be turned loose to attack our power grid.

yeah....and if nothing happens during that blood moon, so what?  Jesus is coming back soon...the signs of the times are obviously speaking God's warning of coming severe judgments on the world.  Jesus said "when all these things begin to come to pass..." pardon any verbatim misquote, it's from memory.....there is nothing wrong with observing the happenings of current events and seeing God's hand in allowing or constraining evils as warnings from God.  

The list of events which occurred within 24 hrs of land for peace deals being pushed on Israel, natural disasters and the 9/11 attacks included, is astounding.  God has always judged nations according to how they treat Israel and the Jews, and will until Jesus Christ rules the nations in person and the curse is lifted.  The stock market crash of 7 percent, 777 points, exactly.........clearly God is warning America and Christians in America have been hiding like cowards in their Christian clubhouse circles  while the ungodly have provoked God to prove His concern about a nation founded as dedicated to God who has cast Him out from ruling over them.

 

I never needed any "signs" to believe God's word, and never will....but to me, ignoring the obvious signs warning of coming judgment is just plain chicken.

A side note...I think "survivalists" are foolish.  When God's judgment falls, having a stockpile of food or weapons won't help.  The just shall live by faith, always have and always will.  When God's judgment falls on fat, happy, content, comfortable and proud people who claim to be Christians, we will see the proof of their faith.  Talk is cheap.   When faced with torture or death or concentration camps as the price of faith, then we will see who really "lives by faith".  I sure hope Jesus comes back first or calls me home before the chaos breaks out, but if I'm here to go through it I plan on praising the Lord just the same.

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it would not take much to cripple US armed forces enough so that a couple boatloads of Chinese could storm the Pacific beach and march right across the country as our new overlords bringing "safety" and "order"

During world war two the Japs said they could not invade the American main land because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. That is still true!

and anybody who observed the warning signs of Hitler's intentions, rise to power, and actions was wicked and like the foolish virgins who required a sign to believe in God.  Anybody who sees signs from God in current events needs to repent and learn to live by faith and not by sight.  People need to watch Elmer Fudd more and read the newspapers less, and live by faith like Yosemite Sam.

yeah....and if nothing happens during that blood moon, so what?  Jesus is coming back soon...the signs of the times are obviously speaking God's warning of coming severe judgments on the world.  Jesus said "when all these things begin to come to pass..." pardon any verbatim misquote, it's from memory.....there is nothing wrong with observing the happenings of current events and seeing God's hand in allowing or constraining evils as warnings from God.  

The list of events which occurred within 24 hrs of land for peace deals being pushed on Israel, natural disasters and the 9/11 attacks included, is astounding.  God has always judged nations according to how they treat Israel and the Jews, and will until Jesus Christ rules the nations in person and the curse is lifted.  The stock market crash of 7 percent, 777 points, exactly.........clearly God is warning America and Christians in America have been hiding like cowards in their Christian clubhouse circles  while the ungodly have provoked God to prove His concern about a nation founded as dedicated to God who has cast Him out from ruling over them.

 

I never needed any "signs" to believe God's word, and never will....but to me, ignoring the obvious signs warning of coming judgment is just plain chicken.

A side note...I think "survivalists" are foolish.  When God's judgment falls, having a stockpile of food or weapons won't help.  The just shall live by faith, always have and always will.  When God's judgment falls on fat, happy, content, comfortable and proud people who claim to be Christians, we will see the proof of their faith.  Talk is cheap.   When faced with torture or death or concentration camps as the price of faith, then we will see who really "lives by faith".  I sure hope Jesus comes back first or calls me home before the chaos breaks out, but if I'm here to go through it I plan on praising the Lord just the same.

Do you have car insurance? Do you have earthquake insurance? Do you have food insurance? If you don't provide for you family you are worse than an infidel 1 Timothy 5:8.

 

 

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the only people who seem to be trying to tie the Lord's return to the 7th Shemitah are those who accuse others of doing it when those others have done nothing of the sort.  This is a pitifully childish tactic of people who want to silence discussion...accuse the other person of saying something they never said and then argue against that point repeatedly and act like you are being disagreed with when you are not being disagreed with at all as you try to take the thread in a direction to satisfy your own need to feel right....or whatever it is that makes you afraid to discuss facts.

nobody said anything other than that the Lord could return at any moment before or after the Seventh Shemitah.  If you are too schicken to look at the fact of events that astoundingly indicate God is warning America and the world of coming severe judgment, just say "I'm afraid to talk about that stuff, it bothers me to think I might not be fat, happy, comfortable, as I live by faith if the Lord tarries beyond the Seventh Shemita and the world falls into chaos and American culture and economy collapse and a fascist government persecutes Christian and treats its populace like Hitler treated Germany and the Jews.

During world war two the Japs said they could not invade the American main land because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. That is still true!

 

Do you have car insurance? Do you have earthquake insurance? Do you have food insurance? If you don't provide for you family you are worse than an infidel 1 Timothy 5:8.

 

 

If you think you can provide for your family when soldiers and tanks are at your door confiscating food and weapon stockpiles, go ahead and keep on stockpiling.  To say I'm not providing for my family and am worse than an infidel if I don't stockpile survival food and gear like a scared chicken maniac is silly.  This is why a lot of people fight so hard against discussing the obvious warnings that God is giving of His judgment falling when He always prefers to show mercy if people will turn to Him and seek Him rather than provoke Him with rebellion.  People don't want to live in a panic trying to gear up for survival...generally.  I know a lot of people who live that way and always try to push it on others and try to get them to join....and that's why a lot of people will not discuss the recent historical events and the upcoming Shemitah and  they do nothing but whine about following signs.

It's not about following signs, as a survivalist, it's about trusting in your own plans and strength rather than trusting in the Lord.  Survivalism has a religious fervor about it and it is a skewed brand of faith focusing too much on fear of the future rather than trusting and obeying the Lord  through the present and through whatever trials the future may or may not bring.

You don't remember Jesus saying "

(Luke 12:22-34)

 

25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

 

Worry and fear are sin.  Survivalism is based on worry and fear.  It is a tangent that has gone off the deep end away from living by faith.

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I heard a man recently teaching the Shemitah 'doctrine' and I tell you it is bunk. Putting stock in one man's 'story' about this Shemitah stuff is a bunch of useless teachings used to magnify a 'prophet' of god. If there are others out there teaching it, I have not heard, but Mr. Cahn is a 'seller' of his side of a story. The so-called blood moon theory is bunk too.

IMO, and A2TB.

 

The quotes aren't even KJV that refer to the 'prophecy' out of Daschle's mouth -

 

"I know that there is only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation. But there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to us all at times like this: ‘The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with dressed stone; the fig [or sycamore] trees have been felled, but we will replace them with cedars.'" [Isaiah 9:10] [p.117]

 

Compare the KJV The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

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I heard a man recently teaching the Shemitah 'doctrine' and I tell you it is bunk. Putting stock in one man's 'story' about this Shemitah stuff is a bunch of useless teachings used to magnify a 'prophet' of god. If there are others out there teaching it, I have not heard, but Mr. Cahn is a 'seller' of his side of a story. The so-called blood moon theory is bunk too.

IMO, and A2TB.

Look at the list of historical facts....and that list is partial.  The historical facts of natural disasters, hurricanes and out of season wildfires...calamities that fell on America repeatedly within 24 hrs of treaties and agreements pushed by the US forcing Israel to compromise with it's enemies......
You are burying your head in the sand.  It is so obvious that God is warning of coming judgement you have to be blind not to see it.

I don't care about Cahn.  I'm simply looking at the facts and God's hand in it, His warning for America, is obvious....and the pattern of events coinciding with the Shemitahs is historic fact as well.  I honestly hope I'm wrong and nothing serious happens on the 28th or 29th of Semptember this year but regardless, the world is obviously on the verge of exploding and America is obviously on the verge of collapse and decline into fascism.  The US constitution is pretty much meaningless now and our country is not the country that was founded on the Constitution.  The US dollar will probably be gone soon as we are spending ourselves into oblivion, and it won't take much of a terrorist sponsored attack or event on US soil to plunge us into chaos.

On one end we have survivalists who see the facts and the warnings from God and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to prepare to survive in the future regardless of Jesus saying not to worry about the future.

On the other hand, we have people who are incapable of looking at the historical facts and seeing the clear warning of judgement coming from God and I believe they are incapable of discussing those warnings because they are afraid their future won't be the fat happy Christian comfortable life they enjoyed for decades while they sat in their pews and let the ungodlies  throw God under the bus in America.

 

Me, I acknowledge God's warning and am happy to see He is involved in current events (thought it still grieves me when lives are lost to militant Islam like the 3000 on 9/11...I tried to join the Army after that event so I could get on the front lines and hunt Osama Bin Laden but was told I was too old at 42 then)  and I look forward to seeing Jesus face to face before or after God's judgment falls on America, before or after the Seventh Shemitah.....

I simply decided I'm going to trust the Lord no matter how severe the oppression and persecution of Christians may become if He leaves me in this world long enough to see it....and I'm not afraid to look at the obvious signs warning of judgment to come, and the historical facts of huge events occurring coinciding with the Shemitahs....I really hope the days around the next Shemitah are days like today, no ISIS bombs in the street, no dirty nukes or EMPs or collapse of the dollar or anything like that...just sunshine and birds singing all day....but I think that is obviously a pipe dream view of the future.  Violence against Christians is on the rise and we better have our hearts right when it comes so we find grace from God to obey Him no matter how we are persecuted, and to never deny His name and His salvation.

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Look at the list of historical facts....and that list is partial.  The historical facts of natural disasters, hurricanes and out of season wildfires...calamities that fell on America repeatedly within 24 hrs of treaties and agreements pushed by the US forcing Israel to compromise with it's enemies......You are burying your head in the sand.  It is so obvious that God is warning of coming judgement you have to be blind not to see it.

I don't care about Cahn.  I'm simply looking at the facts and God's hand in it, His warning for America, is obvious....and the pattern of events coinciding with the Shemitahs is historic fact as well.  I honestly hope I'm wrong and nothing serious happens on the 28th or 29th of Semptember this year but regardless, the world is obviously on the verge of exploding and America is obviously on the verge of collapse and decline into fascism.  The US constitution is pretty much meaningless now and our country is not the country that was founded on the Constitution.  The US dollar will probably be gone soon as we are spending ourselves into oblivion, and it won't take much of a terrorist sponsored attack or event on US soil to plunge us into chaos.

On one end we have survivalists who see the facts and the warnings from God and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to prepare to survive in the future regardless of Jesus saying not to worry about the future.

On the other hand, we have people who are incapable of looking at the historical facts and seeing the clear warning of judgement coming from God and I believe they are incapable of discussing those warnings because they are afraid their future won't be the fat happy Christian comfortable life they enjoyed for decades while they sat in their pews and let the ungodlies  throw God under the bus in America.

Have you a personal source to check Cahns historical facts and a proper calendar of years AND checked them yourself to get the exact Shemitah dates?

Probably not.

I think you would be embarrassed to find out his inaccuracies and errors on his dates.

 

Are you aware and prepared?

 

I am ready for the Lord's return, but not a Shemitah lie nor a false prophets message from a god.

Any irony here - Cahn=Con?

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I heard a man recently teaching the Shemitah 'doctrine' and I tell you it is bunk. Putting stock in one man's 'story' about this Shemitah stuff is a bunch of useless teachings used to magnify a 'prophet' of god. If there are others out there teaching it, I have not heard, but Mr. Cahn is a 'seller' of his side of a story. The so-called blood moon theory is bunk too.

IMO, and A2TB.

 

The quotes aren't even KJV that refer to the 'prophecy' out of Daschle's mouth -

 

"I know that there is only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation. But there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to us all at times like this: ‘The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with dressed stone; the fig [or sycamore] trees have been felled, but we will replace them with cedars.'" [Isaiah 9:10[p.117]

 

Compare the KJV The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

I didn't need Cahn to tell me God was warning American in response to Bush pressuring Israel for a big peace deal, and I didn't need Cahn to tell me that when I watched our national leaders on the news twice quoting that passage in Isaiah which was words of defiance against the warning signs God sent to His people, it was bad and bad was an understatement.  I knew the basics of the whole thing as I watched it unfolding on the news.  It was obvious that America was provoking God by pressuring Israel to compromise with it's enemies, it was obvious the God allowed the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagons hours before that deal was to be signed, it was obvious God was displeased with America and warning her....and then I watched those idiots on TV quoting that passage of defiance from Isaiah, a passage I knew then was Israel shaking it's fist toward it's enemies when in reality is was shaking it's fist toward God who was warning Israel to repent or face much more severe judgment...our national leaders doing the exact same thing......

and now I know much more about the facts of the things that happened when and after the Towers were hit and fell.....those FACTS read like a story in the Bible only it's real in current events, God warning America.  I never needed Cahn or his Shemita calendar to know what was happening...it was way to obvious, just amazed me how people didn't seem to see it on the days it was happening and it still amazes me how people try to deny it now.  God is warning of judgment if there is not repentance and most Christians are too fat and happy on the internet in their cozy homes to care....sitting around telling everybody what smart and great Christians they are when we should all be on our knees fasting and praying before our freedom to do so is taken away.

And I don't care which version you use or which was quoted by the ungodly leaders who shook their fists in God's face defying Him as the declared they would stand proud against fleshly enemies and not offer repentance toward God for killing millions of babies and pushing sodomite marriage and all the rest of their ungodly wickedness......

Our leaders followed that passage in Isaiah in defiance of God, did exactly the same as the Jews did, not repenting but provoking God more and more until they were carried away to Babylon.....they went up into the New York quarry and cut new stones for the cornerstone/foundation to rebuild at ground zero and did it with a big pompous ceremony smacking God's face again

Have you a personal source to check Cahns historical facts and a proper calendar of years AND checked them yourself to get the exact Shemitah dates?

Probably not.

I think you would be embarrassed to find out his inaccuracies and errors on his dates.

 

I am ready for the Lord's return, but not a Shemitah lie nor a false prophets message from a god.

Any irony here - Cahn=Con?

are you even reading my posts?  I think you have a Cahn fetish.

I don't care if Cahns shemitah calendar is correct or not, it doesn't matter...if he is correct, it is highly significant and if not, the historical facts remain obvious that God is warning America and I saw that for myself as it was unfolding on the news in real time long before you or I ever heard of Cahn.

All this "smear Cahn" garbage is childish attempts to ignore the fact that God is warning America.  I have looked at the Shemita calendars and the reasonings of those who say Cahn is wrong on the calendar and it DOES NOT MATTER.  God is warning America with or without Cahn.

Why in the world do you have to go on and on and on saying nothing but Cahn false prophet and Shemita Lie?  You sound like a broken record....like your brain is stuck because you are afraid to get out of your rut.  Again, for about the tenth time since you seem to be having difficulty reading my posts and responding on an adult level, I am aware of Cahn's heresies and the controversies of his "shemitah calendars".  I am not a Cahn follower or promoter, but he is right in saying God is warning America.  I think people like you are simply jealous of people like Cahn who succeeded in gaining fame by pointing out facts.  The man teaches heresies and has to answer for God in the matter, and I would not want to be in his shoes that day....

The facts remain.  God is warning America.

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I didn't need Cahn to tell me God was warning American in response to Bush pressuring Israel for a big peace deal, and I didn't need Cahn to tell me that when I watched our national leaders on the news twice quoting that passage in Isaiah which was words of defiance against the warning signs God sent to His people, it was bad and bad was an understatement.  I knew the basics of the whole thing as I watched it unfolding on the news.  It was obvious that America was provoking God by pressuring Israel to compromise with it's enemies, it was obvious the God allowed the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagons hours before that deal was to be signed, it was obvious God was displeased with America and warning her....and then I watched those idiots on TV quoting that passage of defiance from Isaiah, a passage I knew then was Israel shaking it's fist toward it's enemies when in reality is was shaking it's fist toward God who was warning Israel to repent or face much more severe judgment...our national leaders doing the exact same thing......

and now I know much more about the facts of the things that happened when and after the Towers were hit and fell.....those FACTS read like a story in the Bible only it's real in current events, God warning America.  I never needed Cahn or his Shemita calendar to know what was happening...it was way to obvious, just amazed me how people didn't seem to see it on the days it was happening and it still amazes me how people try to deny it now.  God is warning of judgment if there is not repentance and most Christians are too fat and happy on the internet in their cozy homes to care....sitting around telling everybody what smart and great Christians they are when we should all be on our knees fasting and praying before our freedom to do so is taken away.

And I don't care which version you use or which was quoted by the ungodly leaders who shook their fists in God's face defying Him as the declared they would stand proud against fleshly enemies and not offer repentance toward God for killing millions of babies and pushing sodomite marriage and all the rest of their ungodly wickedness......

Our leaders followed that passage in Isaiah in defiance of God, did exactly the same as the Jews did, not repenting but provoking God more and more until they were carried away to Babylon.....they went up into the New York quarry and cut new stones for the cornerstone/foundation to rebuild at ground zero and did it with a big pompous ceremony smacking God's face again

are you even reading my posts?  I think you have a Cahn fetish.

I don't care if Cahns shemitah calendar is correct or not, it doesn't matter...if he is correct, it is highly significant and if not, the historical facts remain obvious that God is warning America and I saw that for myself as it was unfolding on the news in real time long before you or I ever heard of Cahn.

All this "smear Cahn" garbage is childish attempts to ignore the fact that God is warning America.  I have looked at the Shemita calendars and the reasonings of those who say Cahn is wrong on the calendar and it DOES NOT MATTER.  God is warning America with or without Cahn.

Why in the world do you have to go on and on and on saying nothing but Cahn false prophet and Shemita Lie?  You sound like a broken record....like your brain is stuck because you are afraid to get out of your rut.

That's a definite 'no' then. You have no idea if the shemitah schedule is  even real, yet you will follow a teaching like this, and I know Cahn has nothing to do with what you believe... I know...

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That's a definite 'no' then. You have no idea if the shemitah schedule is  even real, yet you will follow a teaching like this, and I know Cahn has nothing to do with what you believe... I know...

I'm not following a teaching other than the Bible which clearly teaches God deals with nations according to how they treat Israel.   I watched the events on the news when they were happening and I knew what was happening probably before Cahn did.  I didn't need any Shemita stuff then to see it and I don't need it now.  America was provoking God by pressuring Israel, and He allowed America to by hit by Israel's enemies.   America's leaders quoted the same defiance against God's warning as the Jews did in Isaiah 9 and they provoked God by so doing and have not repented and God is warning of the serious answer He is going to give them if they don't repent and start fearing God again.

What in the world are you following?  The insides of your eyelids?

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That's a definite 'no' then. You have no idea if the shemitah schedule is  even real, yet you will follow a teaching like this, and I know Cahn has nothing to do with what you believe... I know...

For the third of fifth time, yes I have looked at the opposing views which say Cahn's calendar and dating of Jewish events is wrong.

For crying out loud, do you have to keep making false accusations, ignoring what I say, and then argue against your own invented argument?

I have looked at both sides regarding Cahn's shemitahs and because of the severity and significance of events, the twenty or forty or so that I have listed in previous posts, I lean toward accepting Cahn's interpretation of the Shemitah calendar but even if he is wrong, it DOES NOT MATTER.  God is clearly warning America, the historical events read like a book in the Bible and if you can't see God's hand in the things that are happening I think you are willfully ignorant.

I do not recommend that anybody worry or become obsessed about it like many survivalists do, and I do not recommend that we ignore the warnings God is sending although if a born-again believer chooses to ignore them that's fine with me.  It just bugs me when those Christians act like they are holier than me as they try to tell me that they are living by faith as if I am not.  The argument just seems to be so childish and degrading and I have walked away from it many times, and used it as a witnessing tool many times, and many times have enjoyed wonderful fellowship with like-minded believers who with me joyfully expect the Lord to return and any moment and are prepared to endure any suffering knowing the joy that lies ahead for us.

 

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I'm not following a teaching other than the Bible which clearly teaches God deals with nations according to how they treat Israel.   I watched the events on the news when they were happening and I knew what was happening probably before Cahn did.  I didn't need any Shemita stuff then to see it and I don't need it now.  America was provoking God by pressuring Israel, and He allowed America to by hit by Israel's enemies.   America's leaders quoted the same defiance against God's warning as the Jews did in Isaiah 9 and they provoked God by so doing and have not repented and God is warning of the serious answer He is going to give them if they don't repent and start fearing God again.

What in the world are you following?  The insides of your eyelids?

Who or what is "Israel" in these new covenant in Jesus' blood days? Obviously not the country that claims the name, but totally rejects the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ. 

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During WWII the Japanese could not muster a military force large enough to land and sustain a sizable invasion of America. They also didn't have the logistical capability of supplying an invasion force after landing.

The Chinese have a far larger population and military manpower than did the Japanese. Once the Chinese reach their naval goals in a few years they will have a Pacific fleet large enough and modern enough to equal or best the American Pacific fleet.

Also, during WWII it was still legal for Americans to own many military grade/style weapons which today are illegal. Japanese carrying their rifles to attack Americans armed with their own rifles, as well as machine guns and other weapons would have faced serious resistance besides what the American military would have confronted them with. Chinese invading today with machine guns, rocket launchers, mortars, and armor machines of war would have a great advantage over Americans carrying a .22 rifle, a single shot hunting rifle, even a semi-auto AK-47 with a limited clip.

A Chinese invasion of the west coast at some point in this century is likely. This especially so since the Chinese have already said they are prepared to do such upon the internal collapse of America (which they expect to come this century). They already claim Chinese living in America and Canada to be colonists and when they invade it will be done under the claim of protecting their colonists.

In such a situation as the internal collapse of America we could also likely expect an invasion from Mexico, "to protect their people", while laying claim to what portion they could grab and hold.

At the same time, it would be likely a UN force would be sent into certain portions of America as "peacekeepers" in order to make sure the "right" side or group has an advantage over the "wrong" ones.

Many would be eager to get their hands on whatever portion of America they could.

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If God wants a country overthrown, it doesn't matter what size army or how good their arms are.

That's very true. Prior to WWII really kicking off the French army was one of the largest, most feared. Even the German high command didn't think their forces were large enough or prepared enough to face the French. As we now know, the smaller German forces took France with relative ease.

Upon first look it would seem as if America should have been able to quickly defeat the North Vietnamese but we know that didn't happen.

We come up with plans but it's the Lord that controls the outcome.

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