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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2015 at 9:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

I think that Free Masonry is pretty prevalent among Baptists, especially among the SBC ones, which is strange, as their own group investigated it, and concluded that no Christian should join and be part of it!

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2 hours ago, DaChaser said:

I think that Free Masonry is pretty prevalent among Baptists, especially among the SBC ones, which is strange, as their own group investigated it, and concluded that no Christian should join and be part of it!

I've known people who wear the Mason's ring and have the stickers or license plate holders on their cars or trucks. We have one in our church, I don't know if he is saved or not, God knows. I don't understand how he can hear the Gospel message so clearly, so often, and still associate with the Masons. I've heard some off color remarks and cursing from him. I've also heard him describe how he accompanied a previous preacher on Thursday visitation. If he went with me on a visit I wouldn't let him speak because its well known you never know what will come out of his mouth. I don't know of any fruit of the Spirit displayed by him. I've never asked him how frequently he associates with them, I'll have to ask him.

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18 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

I've known people who wear the Mason's ring and have the stickers or license plate holders on their cars or trucks. We have one in our church, I don't know if he is saved or not, God knows. I don't understand how he can hear the Gospel message so clearly, so often, and still associate with the Masons. I've heard some off color remarks and cursing from him. I've also heard him describe how he accompanied a previous preacher on Thursday visitation. If he went with me on a visit I wouldn't let him speak because its well known you never know what will come out of his mouth. I don't know of any fruit of the Spirit displayed by him. I've never asked him how frequently he associates with them, I'll have to ask him.

My Father was a Shriner, 33 degree Scottish rite Mason, and they are into Lucifer worship and terminology, as they have secret name of God , and have occulted rituals, so no Christian should be involved in it!

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  My dad became a 33rd degree mason, but after he was saved, he quietly disassociated himself from them. He told me that he had taken a vow to not divulge their secrets & therefore wouldn't, not even to my mom & I, but he warned me that one cannot be both a Christian & a devoted mason, & that he had chosen Christianity.

 

   John Ankerberg had a series of shows that exposed many of the secrets of Freemasonry. Many of those shows, & similar ones, are available on YouTube.

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On 5/30/2015 at 9:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

seems to be popular among certain Baptist churches!

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I have taught plenty on the Masons, though there is little presence of them in our area.

That wasnt always the case, however: from what my wife tells me, who lived here before I did, the Masons ran the police department on the local Army depot; if you weren't a mason, you didnt get hired. Later, the Mormons took over from them. Of course, they're closely associated. 

But our local Masonic lodge, like our local LDS 'church', have both shut down, so not much concern with them.

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On 5/16/2020 at 4:27 PM, Ukulelemike said:

I have taught plenty on the Masons, though there is little presence of them in our area.

That wasnt always the case, however: from what my wife tells me, who lived here before I did, the Masons ran the police department on the local Army depot; if you weren't a mason, you didnt get hired. Later, the Mormons took over from them. Of course, they're closely associated. 

But our local Masonic lodge, like our local LDS 'church', have both shut down, so not much concern with them.

father was a 33% degree mason, and the Masons for some strange reason seem to appeal to certain Baptist!

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6 minutes ago, DaChaser said:

father was a 33% degree mason, and the Masons for some strange reason seem to appeal to certain Baptist!

Mostly Southern Baptists, though certainly they are filled with those of other religions, as well as many who are atheists. What does it matter?

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  The black churches in my area (Southern Ohio, Huntington, WV)  have lots of prince hall Affiliated Shriners in them. Huntington, WV was the annual meeting site for this org for a number of years, but the city leaders stupidly let this meeting move elsewhere. Its membership was largely-wealthy & spent a lotta $$ in the area ! It included many black business leaders & entertainers as well as pro athletes.

  While freemasonry is not uncommon here, it's not predominant. My IFB church has a couple of masons, but some are like my dad in leaving the org when they became Christians.

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On 5/16/2020 at 8:18 AM, robycop3 said:

  My dad became a 33rd degree mason, but after he was saved, he quietly disassociated himself from them. He told me that he had taken a vow to not divulge their secrets & therefore wouldn't, not even to my mom & I, but he warned me that one cannot be both a Christian & a devoted mason, & that he had chosen Christianity.

 

   John Ankerberg had a series of shows that exposed many of the secrets of Freemasonry. Many of those shows, & similar ones, are available on YouTube.

My dad showed me his masonic Bible, and when I read that the real name of God included pagan demons, not good!

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On 5/16/2020 at 3:27 PM, Ukulelemike said:

I have taught plenty on the Masons, though there is little presence of them in our area.

That wasnt always the case, however: from what my wife tells me, who lived here before I did, the Masons ran the police department on the local Army depot; if you weren't a mason, you didnt get hired. Later, the Mormons took over from them. Of course, they're closely associated. 

But our local Masonic lodge, like our local LDS 'church', have both shut down, so not much concern with them.

I believe Joseph Smith was a Mason, and was influenced strongly by Masonic ceremonies in creating the “Temple Initiation” in the LDS church. There are hidden camera videos of these initiations on YouTube and they Certainly resemble masonry. There is also a video from a series giving the LDS stance on many topics, one of which is freemasonry, where the church takes the stance that it is “completely compatible with the LDS church, since they believe their is truth everywhere”. 
 

I considered freemasonry for many years before I was saved. A mason is always on a quest for “more light”. What led me away was Psalm 27:1

“The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?”
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the key phrase I this situation being, the LORD is MY LIGHT. 
 

also, the writings from Albert Pike In his book Morals and Dogma about Lucifer pretty much told me all I needed to know, even as a weak Christian doctrinally speaking, I could tell that wasn’t of God. 
 

I think more preachers should preach against it, in line with Psalm 27 again, don’t be scared of the Masons, your light is brighter. 

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I think the Masons are fairly uninfluential these days. Most of the dangerous secret societies are the ones within Universities or within the economic sector. Most people who join the Masons do it to make social connections in their area just as why some people join megachurches. Contacts.

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I believe Joseph Smith was a Mason, and was influenced strongly by Masonic ceremonies in creating the “Temple Initiation” in the LDS church. There are hidden camera videos of these initiations on YouTube and they Certainly resemble masonry. There is also a video from a series giving the LDS stance on many topics, one of which is freemasonry, where the church takes the stance that it is “completely compatible with the LDS church, since they believe their is truth everywhere”. 
 

I considered freemasonry for many years before I was saved. A mason is always on a quest for “more light”. What led me away was Psalm 27:1

“The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?”
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the key phrase I this situation being, the LORD is MY LIGHT. 
 

also, the writings from Albert Pike In his book Morals and Dogma about Lucifer pretty much told me all I needed to know, even as a weak Christian doctrinally speaking, I could tell that wasn’t of God. 
 

I think more preachers should preach against it, in line with Psalm 27 again, don’t be scared of the Masons, your light is brighter. 

Yes, his family were all Freemasons. The rituals of Mormonism do resemble those of Freemasonry.

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On 5/30/2015 at 8:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult* of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry* from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

Does the KJV say anything about them ,  in any way ?

Does the KJV remark how the enemy of Christ keeps multitudes (including churches) in the dark,  keeping them unaware of the enemy in their midst?   (i.e. "many antichrists",  et al ) ....  

"1 John 2:18 KJV: Little children, it is the last time: and ...
[Search domain biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/2-18.htm] https://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/2-18.htm
Geneva Study Bible {16} {n} Little children, {17} it is the last time: {18} and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists*; whereby we know that it is the last time. (16) Now, he turns himself to little children, which nonetheless are well instructed in the sum of religion, and wills them by various reasons to shake off laziness, which is too familiar with ..."

1 John 2:18 (KJV) " even now are there many antichrists." 1 John 2:22 (KJV) "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 4:3 (KJV) " this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." 2 John 1:7 (KJV)

 

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On 5/30/2015 at 8:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

Tangent references found on or thru BibleHub (I think) while looking for the KJV references:   (re can someone love wickedness and love God at the same time ? )

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"January the Twelfth Two Opposites
My Daily Meditation for the Circling Year — John Henry Jowett
"If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." -- 1 JOHN ii.13-17.

No man can love two opposites any more than he can walk in contrary directions at the same time. No man can at once be mean and magnanimous, chivalrous and selfish. We cannot at the same moment dress appropriately for the arctic regions and the tropics. And we cannot wear the habits of the world and the garments of salvation. When we try to do it the result is a wretched and miserable compromise. I have seen a shopkeeper on the Sabbath day put up one shutter, out of presumed respect for the Holy Lord, and behind the shutter continue all the business of the world! That one shutter is typical of all the religion that is left when a man "loves the world" and delights in its prizes and crowns. His religion is a bit of idle ritual which is an offence unto God!

So I must make my choice. Shall I travel north or south? Which of the two opposites shall I love -- God or the world? Whichever love I choose will drive out and quench the other. And thus if I choose the love of God it will destroy every worldly passion, and the river of my affections and desires will be like "the river of water of life, clear as crystal."

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"John Henry Jowett
John Henry Jowett was an influential British Protestant preacher at the turn of the nineteenth to the twentieth century who wrote books on topics related to Christian living. He has been called "The greatest preacher in the English speaking world." "

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I think the reason for the large number of Southern Baptist’s becoming masons is in line with what you see in the cults of today, there is just enough truth sprinkled in to convince a lukewarm Christian that it’s ok. The main story of Freemasonry, the legend of Hiram Abiff, comes from 1 Kings 7:13, verse 14 is where the “widows son” comes from, this is basically the end of the truth in the story. The rest of masonry relies on a ritual drama where Hiram of Tyre, (not King Hiram) is killed and resurrected to eternal life which sounds dangerously close to Christ. I think any Christian should be able to see that this isn’t good. However, Christians, see that the story is “based on the Bible” (very loosely) and accept what is told to them, rather than praying and studying for themselves. 

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22 hours ago, OlBrotherDC said:

I believe Joseph Smith was a Mason, and was influenced strongly by Masonic ceremonies in creating the “Temple Initiation” in the LDS church. There are hidden camera videos of these initiations on YouTube and they Certainly resemble masonry. There is also a video from a series giving the LDS stance on many topics, one of which is freemasonry, where the church takes the stance that it is “completely compatible with the LDS church, since they believe their is truth everywhere”. 
 

I considered freemasonry for many years before I was saved. A mason is always on a quest for “more light”. What led me away was Psalm 27:1

“The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?”
‭‭
the key phrase I this situation being, the LORD is MY LIGHT. 
 

also, the writings from Albert Pike In his book Morals and Dogma about Lucifer pretty much told me all I needed to know, even as a weak Christian doctrinally speaking, I could tell that wasn’t of God. 
 

I think more preachers should preach against it, in line with Psalm 27 again, don’t be scared of the Masons, your light is brighter. 

You are indeed correct about Joseph Smith, and that right there should make it clear that no Christian should be involved in free masonry!

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There is a man named William Schnobelen, (pronounced "Shneblin"), He was a high-degree Mason in the European rite, which goes to I believe level 99. He was also a practicing witch. He did a lot of very crazy, almost fake-sounding stuff, but he seems extremely sincere-practiced vampirism, and was ordained a black bishop in the Catholic church.  He got out of it all, actually, through joining the Mormons, but as he was seeking truth, he was drawn to the KJB Bible over their other books, and was actually kicked out because it was all he would read and teach from. He got saved and left it all behind.

Sadly, he seems to have wandered a bit into some error, as he seems to have gone into the Hebrew Roots movement, but I DO believe him to be saved. 

 

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