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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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The one thing I have mentioned to some friends of mine who are believers and Masons, is to get them to think about one thing: While in the lower levels, the first three, (as is my understanding, anyways), they reveal to the person the meanings behind various symbols. When they achieve the next level, they are told that the meanings are actually not what they were told, but really, they are such-and-such. Then, upon reaching the third degree, they are once again reinterpreted to them.

​Sort of, but that's not entirely accurate. The first three degrees are a continuance of a single-story arc. At each successive degree, more and different symbols are introduced. I don't recall any reinterpretation of a particular symbol. The only things that really changed in meaning were the ways in which the apron was worn and the positioning of the square and compass; but these were progressive symbols that said something of the new degree attained. What you may be thinking of is the way they explain the meaning of each symbol. For example:

"The twenty-four inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative Masons to measure and lay out their work; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of dividing their time; it being divided into twenty-four equal parts is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day, which we are taught to divide into three equal parts; whereby are found eight hours for the service of God and a distressed worthy brother; eight hours for their usual vocations; and eight for refreshment and sleep."

The discerning Christian should notice several unbiblical things here, but most people who go through this don't look below the surface. It's all done verbally and nothing is allowed to be written down. So when you hear it, most think "hey, he just said we have to make time for God. That sounds good and right. Next symbol please!"

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When I did the series on the subject, the main reference I used was "The Meaning Of Masonry: W. L. Wilmshurst:."

Wilmshurst wrote the book out of a despair over current Masons (1920's if I remember correctly) not knowing the "rich" symbolism and its meanings.

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The P2 lodge was based in Rome around the Vatican, and seemed to be involved in the Murder of "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi, under Blackfriars Bridge in London and possibly Pope John Paul 1st.  The death of Calvi was first recorded as suicide.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

When I asked the Mason I worked with what degree he was, he said "Don't believe all that stuff you read about degrees."  I did read some years ago that the Duke of Kent was a 32nd degree Mason but even he would not be privy to all the secrets of the organisation.  

 

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My father has been pretty absorbed with genealogy for the past fifty years or so and I help him with research from time to time.  Tonight, I just found out that my paternal great-grandfather, all of his brothers and several others in our paternal line, were high ranking Masons out of Louisville, Kentucky.  

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My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

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12 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

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On 20/03/2017 at 11:59 PM, Brother Stafford said:

My father has been pretty absorbed with genealogy for the past fifty years or so and I help him with research from time to time.  Tonight, I just found out that my paternal great-grandfather, all of his brothers and several others in our paternal line were high ranking Masons out of Louisville, Kentucky.  

Thank you for that, brother.  Reading through this thread reminded me of the following:

I was passing out some tracts in a town about 30 miles from where I live (in the county of Kent, England) and I got talking to a Christian lady.  She asked me to pray for her husband who wasn't saved.  As we conversed further she told me that he was terrified of dying and had a recurring dream of the Angel of Death.  I asked her what kept him from getting saved and her reply was disturbing "He's a lawyer and a freemason; as a mason he gets a lot of business from fellow Masons.  He knows that if he got saved he would have to leave the Masons, and they would withdraw their business from him."

It seems that, having counted the cost of being a disciple of Christ, he wasn't prepared to pay it.

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On 6/3/2015 at 8:53 PM, DaveW said:

Joseph Smith was kicked out of the Masons apparently.

Maybe that is why there are many similarities?????

What is your source about Joseph Smith be kicked out of the Masons?

The third LDS President John Taylor (who was one of the two men in jail with Joseph and Hyrum when they were killed) was reportedly a master mason himself, and in his writings he claimed Joseph and his Brother Hyrum were masons in good standing at the time they died.

There is also a very famous portrait of Brigham Young with him wearing a mason pin on his shirt. The LDS church managed to photoshop it off in all official church pictures and publications.

You are absolutely correct about Joseph and the Freemason similarities in Mormonism. Most of the similarities are hidden away and kept secret in the LDS temples.

As an ex Mormon I found the post on page two of this thread where he mentions Lucifer being the secrect superior God interesting. The reason being that in the creation video of the initiatory before you receive your endowment in the LDS temple ceremony, their is subtle comment made by Satan to a Christian preacher that implies he himself is God. 

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My grandfather on my mother's side was a Mason as was my Dad's older brother.. I don't know of anyone else in my family. One of my Black preacher friends told me there are many masons in the Black churches; at least the ones he's affiliated with. My only dealings with them was when I gave a business associate of mine a pamphlet about the dangers of Masonry. Somehow it ended up at the lodge or at least was passed on because a few days later one of the Masons called me on the phone and gave me a good tongue lashing.

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13 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

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11 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

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3 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

Knowing what I know about them I wouldn't come within a country mile of that place lol.  Nor would I knowing associate with one on a personal level.  Weather they know whats going on or not.  Christ and salvation is the priority in my life.  

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There is a fellow named Bill Schnoebelen who was apparently, by his own testimony, a practicing high level witch who practiced vampirism, and a high level Mason. He reached a point, (apparently through the influence of some Christiand praying fervently for his salvation), where he wanted out. He had heard that the best way to get out was through the Mormons, (probably since they were just as bad anyways), so he became a Mormon. He found that, due to his Masonic past, he was able to be inducted into the temple mysteries very quickly, and advanced fast. While there, he began to study the KJV very seriously, and chose to avoid the other LDS books, much to the chagrin of the Mormon leadership. It was through study of the KJV Bible that he became convinced the LDS were wrong as well, and got saved and got out. Now he teaches a lot on the evils of Masonry and witchcraft and mormonism.

Supposedly, again according to his testimony, his hair and beard are white due to a ritual he performed while a witch where he encountered a devil and the experience turned his hair white, and his son, who was performing the ritual with him..disappeared-he never saw him again after the ritual. I don't know how much of what he says is true, but it is interesting nonetheless.

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47 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

51 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

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Ukulelemike -

Your friend is absolutely correct about evils behind Mormonism.

When you first join the church all you hear over and over is how great and peaceful going inside a temple is, but they a forbidden to talk about the actual rituals in public. Immediately they teach how to find your dead ancestors names to prepare to take to "new convert group baptisms". When I joined there wasn't a temple in Indiana yet, so a female convert, the Bishop, The High Priest group leader and myself made the trip to the Columbus, Ohio temple. The temples are beautiful on the outside but I will never forget how something felt terrible wrong once we got inside. If it would've just been me feeling that way I would've just brushed it off, but almost immediately the female convert whispered how it felt evil "like walking into a horror film".

Eventually I started searching the web looking for information about what happens during the other rituals, and that was the beginning of the end for me. I found out about the two secret handshakes you have to know to pass through the gates of heaven. And things like how the "sacred" undergarments (Mormon underwear) had Freemason type symbols embroidered on them. 

Ive experienced the life of being a Mormon and it's either the stupidest religion ever created by man, or false worship that originated in hell.

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55 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

 Study the bible and about narcotics pharmakeia I believe its called and freemasonry.  None of that fascinates me.  The web is great for research and youtube also.  Several people mentioned sources in this thread.  If you read back.  Its all there in the research when you find credible sources.  

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2015 at 8:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

There are lots of Baptist men that are members of Freemasonry. The late Country Music Legend Roy Acuff who was a Born Again Baptist was a high ranking Free Mason. The late Country Music Legend Little Jimmy Dickens who was also a Born Again Baptist was also a high ranking Free Mason.

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