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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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There are many true Christians that go by the title of Reverend.  The esteemed Reverend TI Cooper, Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter  (although he goes by Pastor Hunter Sr.) who founded The True Christian Church of Jesus (formerly the Antibaptist of Pensacola) to which I belong, the great Reverend Pastor Cal Smith, or the Reverend Jon Schultz, and many others.

Regarding Ps 111:9, there is no implication that God's name is the only thing to which word reverend (not capitalized, btw) can be applied, as I explained previously.

​That is the bottom of your problems Bob. You revere men and have been indoctrinated into their interpretations of Scripture.

Get away from these dudes and into the Book and you will see far more clearly. You use terms like esteemed and great in describing dudes who wrote books I suppose making merchandise of God and those became your bible, setting aside God's Word to learn the words of muttenheads (perhaps you specifically didn't but generally speaking that is usually what happens when dudes put dudes above other dudes) they seek their interpretations instead of the Spirit.

Reverend is a worldly term used primarily by the lost to identify religious hirelings. It is not a term God gave for his preachers and teachers. I have no interest in what any reverend says about any subject and neither should anyone (lost or saved)

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There are many true Christians that go by the title of Reverend.  The esteemed Reverend TI Cooper, Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter  (although he goes by Pastor Hunter Sr.) who founded The True Christian Church of Jesus (formerly the Antibaptist of Pensacola) to which I belong, the great Reverend Pastor Cal Smith, or the Reverend Jon Schultz, and many others.

Regarding Ps 111:9, there is no implication that God's name is the only thing to which word reverend (not capitalized, btw) can be applied, as I explained previously.

​Hijacking here for a sec... hey, RevBob, does your church have a website? I've never of heard of one with that name before and it got me curious. :wink

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​Hijacking here for a sec... hey, RevBob, does your church have a website? I've never of heard of one with that name before and it got me curious. :wink

​Agreed with the website question, I spent 4 years in the Escambia, Santa Rosa county areas of Fl at one point, 18 more years at another. I know of Jerry Hunter; Lyle Hunter, Sr; Lyle Hunter, Jr; Pensacola Mennonite Church.

I've known some of unusual names such as Saint John the Baptist Church, First Corinthians Baptist, Church of the Open Door but never heard of "Antibaptist of Pensacola" nor an Anabaptist church that was "Doctrines of Grace" as  you claim (if I recall correctly) to be.

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When I pastored my first church, (lasted a year, if that's any indication of where this is going), and I gotta say, I REALLY liked using the title of Reverend; 'Rev. Reed', that was me! And everyone knew it. I even got a tab at the local little restaurant. It didn't take too long for the Lord to show me the pride in my heart. I failed miserably in that area and turned the new little work over to another pastor. (he ended up closing it down).

Today I don't even encourage people to call me 'Pastor" or "Pastor Mike or Reed" because Pastor is not, biblically-speaking, a title, it is descriptive of what we do-it means 'shepherd', so, just as I raise goats, but am not generally called "Goatherd Mike", so it makes no sense to say "Pastor Mike" either. The same with Apostle or Bishop or Evangelist or Elder or Deacon-all are descriptive terms, not titles. Unless one is an Apostle of the Lamb, of which there are only 12, so that can be a title for them. It always irritates me faintly when I see flyers for meetings with special guest speaker Prophet Larry Jones or Evangelist Curly Howard or Apostle Stymie Goatudder.

For me, brother Mike, or just Mike, are fine.

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I use Brother, Some call me Pastor in the same way that on job sites I get called Electrician or a student may call me Mr. Bus Driver (since I do that part time, too). Someone may address a person as Teacher but not Pastor (insert name), Electrician (insert name), Teacher (insert name) etc.

If I'm not your pastor, why call me Pastor (some in this town do)? If I call a church member on the phone, I'll say "Hey, this is Preacher" because it's shorter than Bro. (my name) (I know, they have caller ID but remember my location is "under a rock").

I don't call ANY preacher by Reverend, Doctor or Father. The librarian at the public High School here obtained her Doctorate (good job, congrats) but insists on being called "Doctor ______", she won't get it from this little grey duck!

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​Agreed with the website question, I spent 4 years in the Escambia, Santa Rosa county areas of Fl at one point, 18 more years at another. I know of Jerry Hunter; Lyle Hunter, Sr; Lyle Hunter, Jr; Pensacola Mennonite Church.

I've known some of unusual names such as Saint John the Baptist Church, First Corinthians Baptist, Church of the Open Door but never heard of "Antibaptist of Pensacola" nor an Anabaptist church that was "Doctrines of Grace" as  you claim (if I recall correctly) to be.

​We don't have a web site.  We used to, but we preach to all manner of most unsavory characters, and we decided to discontinue web sites for safety reasons.

And we are not Anabaptist, nor are we any longer Antibaptist--haven't been for a long time.  Our fellowship of churches was started by Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter (Sr.) in early 70's as Antibaptist Church of Pensacola.  He realized that most Baptists became corrupt and no longer followed the Christian Bible, but man-made traditions and "interpretations".  After his protests fell on deaf ears, he decided to have a baptist reformation of sorts, withdrew from SBC, and renamed the church to Antibaptist to show his disagreement.

The particular points of disagreement were over the pervasive racism amongst mainstream baptists at the time (unBiblical), liberal attitudes towards abortion and abortionism (we are against abortion because we believe that unborn babies go to Hell, and we won't stand for that), allowing women to speak in church, and liberal attitudes towards premartial relations and secular "dating", and several other issues.  Pastor Hunter distinguished himself for preaching to both the KKK and the Bob Jones crowd, and leading many from amongst these to Salvation.  However, in 1975, Pastor Hunter realized that not all Baptists are liberal or unChristian, and decided to rename the church to True Christian Church of Jesus to designate our dedication to true Biblical Christianity and Jesus.  At the same time the church was relocated to Kansas because of some land disputes with Bob Jones and his gang of liberals. 

Now there are seven churches in our fellowship, in several different states, plus one affiliated church in Iowa.  We don't do web sites.  We don't do bus ministries.  We don't allow satanists in our churches.  We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

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​We don't have a web site.  We used to, but we preach to all manner of most unsavory characters, and we decided to discontinue web sites for safety reasons.

And we are not Anabaptist, nor are we any longer Antibaptist--haven't been for a long time.  Our fellowship of churches was started by Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter (Sr.) in early 70's as Antibaptist Church of Pensacola.  He realized that most Baptists became corrupt and no longer followed the Christian Bible, but man-made traditions and "interpretations".  After his protests fell on deaf ears, he decided to have a baptist reformation of sorts, withdrew from SBC, and renamed the church to Antibaptist to show his disagreement.

The particular points of disagreement were over the pervasive racism amongst mainstream baptists at the time (unBiblical), liberal attitudes towards abortion and abortionism (we are against abortion because we believe that unborn babies go to Hell, and we won't stand for that), allowing women to speak in church, and liberal attitudes towards premartial relations and secular "dating", and several other issues.  Pastor Hunter distinguished himself for preaching to both the KKK and the Bob Jones crowd, and leading many from amongst these to Salvation.  However, in 1975, Pastor Hunter realized that not all Baptists are liberal or unChristian, and decided to rename the church to True Christian Church of Jesus to designate our dedication to true Biblical Christianity and Jesus.  At the same time the church was relocated to Kansas because of some land disputes with Bob Jones and his gang of liberals. 

Now there are seven churches in our fellowship, in several different states, plus one affiliated church in Iowa.  We don't do web sites.  We don't do bus ministries.  We don't allow satanists in our churches.  We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

​Sounds kinda like a mormon compound and I am guessing most your membership were lured away from real Churches with the promise of NOT having to witness and win souls. "What a relief, sure we'll join up" cause they follow calvin, not Jesus.

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​Sounds kinda like a mormon compound and I am guessing most your membership were lured away from real Churches with the promise of NOT having to witness and win souls. "What a relief, sure we'll join up" cause they follow calvin, not Jesus.

​Sounds like you need to develop reading comprehension skills.  As I wrote earlier:

We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof. 

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What is obvious is that whilst you obviously have a great deal of respect for yourself, you care nothing for the people you are trying to reach.

That is obvious by your degrading terminology you use to refer to them.

But since your god knows nothing about genuine love, that is hardly surprising.

Call yourself "Reverend" while calling them things like "harlots" and "mooslims" - I am sure they listen to you too.

 

Funny, I thought our Lord humbled Himself.........

 

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Stymie Goatudder? hahahahahaha RevBob The Bible says that "God commendeth His love toward us...WHILE we were yet sinners" and in another place "He first loved us". John 3:16 says "for God so loved the world....". and in the Book of Matthew (I think) it says if we love our enemies, that we are behaving LIKE GOD.

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  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

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We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

​I was going to say something like this, but Mike beat me to it. I'll just piggyback with another verse...

John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends"

Perhaps I need to read the Gospels again, but I don't recall Jesus ever going around telling people that He hated them. If you actively read and taught the Bible, you'd have compassion for the lost instead of disdain. You sound more like a Westboro member than you do a Christian.

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I'm not familiar with RevBob, but the words he uses are used in the Bible. Harlot, whoremonger, drunkards, sodomites and more are all used to describe sinners. I see nothing wrong in using these words. But I don't believe God hates anyone either. 

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​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

​I was going to say something like this, but Mike beat me to it. I'll just piggyback with another verse...

John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends"

Perhaps I need to read the Gospels again, but I don't recall Jesus ever going around telling people that He hated them. If you actively read and taught the Bible, you'd have compassion for the lost instead of disdain. You sound more like a Westboro member than you do a Christian.

He bases his "God hates them" on Psalm 5:5, and using John 3:16 to prove that God loves sinners doesn't apply to today (according to him), because the verb "loved" is past tense. This was all covered in this thread --> http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23437-soulwinning-teens-and-young-people/

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​He bases his "God hates them" on Psalm 5:5, and using John 3:16 to prove that God loves sinners doesn't apply to today (according to him), because the verb "loved" is past tense. This was all covered in this thread --> http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23437-soulwinning-teens-and-young-people/

​Ah...I hadn't actually read that one. Makes sense now. I guess none of us are going to heaven then since Rom 5:8 used the past tense. We weren't born and therefore not sinners yet when Christ died for us. He must've only died for people who were sinners back then...

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The Bible says that a soft answer turneth away wrath but grievous words stir up anger. I'm glad that the preacher who preached the morning I got saved, did it with a quiver in his voice and tears of love and compassion on his face. I not only realized I was a wicked sinner deserving of Hell, but that Jesus was real and really loved me. That's a far cry from insulting people with a smirk on your face.

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I'm not familiar with RevBob, but the words he uses are used in the Bible. Harlot, whoremonger, drunkards, sodomites and more are all used to describe sinners. I see nothing wrong in using these words. But I don't believe God hates anyone either. 

Miss Daisy, it is not so much the terms, but the way they are used.

He uses them in a derogatory way, while the Bible uses them as descriptives.

He thinks he is better than them, and talks down to them (see the thread linked above by NN), while Paul reminds us that "such were some of you" for instance.

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Miss Daisy, it is not so much the terms, but the way they are used.

He uses them in a derogatory way, while the Bible uses them as descriptives.

He thinks he is better than them, and talks down to them (see the thread linked above by NN), while Paul reminds us that "such were some of you" for instance.

​You don't know what I think, and ought to stop putting words in mouth that were never there.  I do believe in Unconditional Election, so no I don't believe there is anything about me that's inherently better.  Any goodness in Elect comes from Jesus, not from them.

 

And I did use those words descriptively.

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      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      Psalms 139 Psalm 139:9-10
      9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy righthand shall hold me. 
       
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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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