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So much wrong with the attitudes coming from a certain poster. The second time he has openly critisised Biblical things, and now he promotes "talking down" to youth because they " must " "see you as their better".

That was never Paul's way.

Paul called not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought.

What can we expect from one who sees nothing wrong with taking an attribute that belongs to God alone and using as a title of self pride?

You need to stop your personal attacks on me.  I have not criticized any Biblical things.  I'm a true Christian, I follow ALL of the Bible, without any interpretationism to make it fit what somebody likes.  Nowhere does the Bible command a single style of preaching.  Nowhere that I know of, it commands us to imitate Paul.  It does command us to go and spread the Word, to baptize nations, and to establish Christian rule everywhere.  Matthew 28:19-20

 

So in my church, and in few affiliated churches, we preach in the way that works, in the way that brings them in and gets them to listen.  We will stand there, in the manner of the great Pastor Cal Smith, and tell heathens that "Jesus HATES them" (Ps. 5:5, Rom 1), but never without telling them that "it doesn't have to be this way"! 

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So how can anyone claim Biblical honesty by push the John 3:16 "love gospel" while ignoring its context or the real message contained within it?  How can one claim honesty when telling heathens that Jesus "loves them" (Ps 5:5), in the context of John 3:16, when it fact this verse says that He loved the world-in the past-but in the present most of them are condemned?

 

 In the "past", most of them were also condemned.

 

So in my church, and in few affiliated churches, we preach in the way that works, in the way that brings them in and gets them to listen.  We will stand there, in the manner of the great Pastor Cal Smith, and tell heathens that "Jesus HATES them" (Ps. 5:5, Rom 1), but never without telling them that "it doesn't have to be this way"!

 

A lot of what you say sounds Westboro Baptist-ish. Are you affiliated with them? ​​​

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 In the "past", most of them were also condemned.

Agreed.

A lot of what you say sounds Westboro Baptist-ish. Are you affiliated with them? ​​​

​No.  We are very much in opposition to the Hellsboro clan.  Even clashed with them once--verbally, not violently--at one of their protests against our soldiers.

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You do not follow all the Bible as you have shown by your doctrine, and you have already on at least two occasions criticised bible terms, calling them ridiculous or such terms.

I have not personally attacked you - I have pointed out a few points about your character and teaching.

I also advised you that this board is anti-calvinistic, and although a moderator told you to stop promoting it you continue to do so.

If you don't like these things, then I guess you are out of luck,  because I and others will continue to point out your error and false teaching.

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You do not follow all the Bible as you have shown by your doctrine, and you have already on at least two occasions criticised bible terms, calling them ridiculous or such terms.

​I've done no such thing, as I pointed out in my reply above.  I suggest you work on your reading comprehension skills, hopefully it will help you understand the full meaning of the Bible as well.

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Oh no a Calvinism debate lol.   I run into this on the streets lol.  Not often but I do.  Also the Arminian debate.  To clear myself up I am neither Calvinist or Arminian.   I believe in Jesus that once your saved.  You are always saved.  Not getting into things with people here.  Just make things clear things in regards to myself.  

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No, you're the one lying.  I'm not sure for what purpose.  What I posted is up there, for anyone to see.  Nowhere did I say that the Bible or true Biblical doctrines are ridiculous.  You and a cohort of yours made that up.

 

But yeah, preaching only John 3:16, without even giving a thought to its full meaning, and out of context is ridiculous.  As well as claiming that soulwinning is a Biblical term based on a contextually obscure OT verse.  Or do you believe that King David was talking about his evangelical ministry in Pro. 11:30 ?

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No, you're the one lying.  I'm not sure for what purpose.  What I posted is up there, for anyone to see.  Nowhere did I say that the Bible or true Biblical doctrines are ridiculous.  You and a cohort of yours made that up.

 

But yeah, preaching only John 3:16, without even giving a thought to its full meaning, and out of context is ridiculous.  As well as claiming that soulwinning is a Biblical term based on a contextually obscure OT verse.  Or do you believe that King David was talking about his evangelical ministry in Pro. 11:30 ?

​Unless a term is contrary to Scripture there is little point in arguing over terminology. Some argue all day over the fact neither trinity or rapture are in Scripture yet they are common terms used by Christians. When the term "soul winning" is used here everyone understands it means sharing the Gospel with the lost and it's the work of the Holy Ghost to actually "win" a lost soul to Christ.

While the term "soul winning" might not be understood by the lost, those here recognize its meaning.

There are indeed those who will take a verse such as John 3:16 and build the case God loves everyone, God is all love, God therefore loves us no matter what and His love will make sure everyone goes to heaven...well, except maybe Hitler (they always think Hitler deserves hell but not themselves!).

This is why we must not focus upon one verse but the whole Word of God. God is love but He's also a God of justice. God loves to reward people but He also punishes people when necessary. We have to see, and accept, every aspect of God rather than pick and choose at our convenience. Jesus is Lord and Saviour, not just Saviour, but also Lord; sadly this is often left out.

We need to avoid unprofitable battles among ourselves and we need to take the Gospel to the lost and preach the whole Word of God to all we can.

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Why is an Old Testament verse (regarding winning souls) obscure, but another Old Testament verse (regarding God hating the wicked) not obscure when it's used to show people today that God hates them? Here's the skinny as I understand it from what I've seen posted...

  1. John 3:16 is talking about God loving the world "in the past" but not today because of the wording of the verse.
  2. Today, God hates the wicked.
  3. The verse (declaring that God hates the wicked) was written "in the past" before John 3:16 was written.
  4. Using the logic of item #1, then God actually only hated the wicked when that verse was written (and not today) because of the wording of the verse.

 

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​Solomon.  Pretty sure he wasn't talking about a bus ministry in that verse.

​Which raises the point of just where Scripture says anything even remotely related to a bus ministry.

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​Unless a term is contrary to Scripture there is little point in arguing over terminology. Some argue all day over the fact neither trinity or rapture are in Scripture yet they are common terms used by Christians. When the term "soul winning" is used here everyone understands it means sharing the Gospel with the lost and it's the work of the Holy Ghost to actually "win" a lost soul to Christ.

While the term "soul winning" might not be understood by the lost, those here recognize its meaning.

There are indeed those who will take a verse such as John 3:16 and build the case God loves everyone, God is all love, God therefore loves us no matter what and His love will make sure everyone goes to heaven...well, except maybe Hitler (they always think Hitler deserves hell but not themselves!).

This is why we must not focus upon one verse but the whole Word of God. God is love but He's also a God of justice. God loves to reward people but He also punishes people when necessary. We have to see, and accept, every aspect of God rather than pick and choose at our convenience. Jesus is Lord and Saviour, not just Saviour, but also Lord; sadly this is often left out.

We need to avoid unprofitable battles among ourselves and we need to take the Gospel to the lost and preach the whole Word of God to all we can.

​There are several issues with the term "soulwinning".  First off, the claims that it is a Biblical term based on Proverbs 11:30: "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."  That verse is contextually obscure--just read it in context!  It certainly doesn't talk about a modern ministry.  So to link "soul winning" activities to a verse that most likely talks about something else is a huge stretch at best.

The other issue with the term is that it tends to give glory to men.  I've heard people say things like "he's been a champion soulwinner".  It implies that the preachers Save people, and not Grace. 

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Why is an Old Testament verse (regarding winning souls) obscure, but another Old Testament verse (regarding God hating the wicked) not obscure when it's used to show people today that God hates them?

​What's obscure about this verse?

Ps5:

1 To the chief Musician upon Nehiloth, A Psalm of David. Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.

2 Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.

3 My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.

4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.
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Would you include lying in that bolded description?

Be careful how you answer, as certain things in this and other threads may have a bearing on you..........

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​What's obscure about this verse?

Ps5:

1 To the chief Musician upon Nehiloth, A Psalm of David. Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.

2 Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.

3 My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.

4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.

​I didn't say it was obscure; I asked why it wasn't obscure.

You keep referring to reading Proverbs 11:30 in context...that it's contextually obscure.

Proverbs 11:30 stands on its own merit; it is alone in its context. You can't read the preceding or succeeding verses to gain any "context" for Proverbs 11:30. If you read the entire chapter, you will see that it consists of individual verses relaying wisdom in each verse; therefore, there is no actual "context" apart from what each verse is relaying. Each verse stands alone with an individual message. The context of Proverbs 11:30 is exactly what it says.

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​There are several issues with the term "soulwinning".  First off, the claims that it is a Biblical term based on Proverbs 11:30: "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."  That verse is contextually obscure--just read it in context!  It certainly doesn't talk about a modern ministry.  So to link "soul winning" activities to a verse that most likely talks about something else is a huge stretch at best.

The other issue with the term is that it tends to give glory to men.  I've heard people say things like "he's been a champion soulwinner".  It implies that the preachers Save people, and not Grace. 

​Properly used I see no problem with the term "soul winning". Those who want to gain praise for themselves as some great soul winner have heart issues which need addressed that have nothing to do with the term.

I've heard folks who use the term "fishers of men" make claims of being the best fishers, but again, that's a sinful issue in their heart which needs addressed, not a problem with the term being used.

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