I have recently read a few articles on global warming and while I somewhat detest the tree hugger mentality, I do hate the idea of cutting down trees, and love wildlife reserves and such. My question is this, are the "scientists" who are proclaiming that in the next 30-50 years the heat of our continent's will rise to nearly unbearable temperatures correct and if they are, do you think this is the preparation for events during the tribulation period concerning the trumpets and vials? I am leaning toward yes in both instances but honestly I would like to read someone who I know can be trusted.
Your thoughts please.
JEREMIAH 49... I don't see a lot of eschatology being discussed here (other than the millennial kingdom) recently... so I decided to go out on a limb and start a discussion about Jeremiah 49. I wanted to focus on the specific passages of 35-39, and most specifically upon verse 36.
"And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
SOMETHING is going to happen in Iran (specifically where Elam used to be which is in what is now Iran).
It is an area ***"stretching from the lowlands of what is now Khuzestan and Ilam Province as well as a small part of southern Iraq." (*** land description taken from wikipedia... see also map below)
I realize that Persia is also listed in Ezekiel 38-39 as one of the nations which is included in the confederacy against Israel. I do not think it is likely that is part of Ezekiel's prophecy in ch. 38-39, but I do think it COULD precede it, and possibly be a factor in why Persia is listed in the Ezekiel 38-39 confederacy (although the reasons for Ez. 38-39 are more about "taking a spoil")
So back to Jeremiah 49
SOMETHING will happen to cause THIS:
"... I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation
whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
My thought is that it's possible that Iran will attempt to attack Israel. Israel will defend herself and isn't it amazing that the Bushehr site in Iran
(the very site the nuclear reactor is located) is smack dab in the area where Elam was?
Not saying it HAS TO happen that way... and I'm not saying the event HAS to be nuclear... I am just that it COULD happen that way.
Whatever happens the Lord will be in control of the situation. It does not have to be nuclear, it could be any number of events...and it will be of God's will.
Whatever happens (nuclear or not) will cause these things to happen (which have not YET happened to a total fulfillment in history):
1. The Lord "will bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,"
2. "and will scatter them toward all those winds;"
3. "and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
History tells us that Elam was conquered by the Assyrian empire and then later by the Medo-Persian empire.However, that did not drive out all of those people who lived there, but instead they were then under the control of the Medo-Persian empires control, but most continued to live in that same area of land (even though under the rulership of the Medo-Persian empire).
So I do not believe that being conquered by the Medo-Persian empire fulfills this prophecy since they were not driven off the land, they were not scattered to the 4 quarters, and they haven't (yet) been scattered to all nations.
Elam is now a part of modern-day Iran. (and in that part of Iran there is a nuclear reactor as well as current plans for the Iranians to build more) I conclude these verses are future events (possibly soon).
I also would further conclude that verses 38-39 will be fulfilled at an even later time (the millennial reign) because there certainly is NOT a throne of the Lord in Elam, nor has there ever been in past history.
The only other place in the Bible that a (future) earthly throne of the Lord is mentioned is in reference to Jerusalem. So while I do not claim to have any idea exactly what the throne of the Lord in Elam will be... nor the reason why... I do believe it is true, because the word of God IS true!
Every past prophecy which was fulfilled was fulfilled exactly as prophecied, to the letter,
Which means all future prophecy will also be fulfilled exactly as prophecied.
I am only giving my opinion of what COULD cause them to be scattered to the 4 quarters, and scattered unto every nation.
That said... God cannot be boxed into "logical human reasoning" because His ways are far above our ways.
So I am not stating it HAS to be a nuclear event... it is just a possibility of what could occur to cause such a scattering.
35 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.
36 "And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
37 "For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the Lord; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:
38 "And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord.
39 "But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the Lord.
map image (taken from wikipedia) for the location of where Elam was:
What say ye all?
Hello all... let's talk. Recently there was a change made to the feed stream of this site. A few of us are having difficulty finding new posts and so (I think) it may be leading to a lack of discussions. Many of us came here for fellowship with other IFB friends, brothers, and sisters. The world has a worldly view... But I'm curious as to what do fellow bible believer's think about the following topics, and whether (or not) you think any/all of the topics relate to scripture, if so, why? Thanks for your input as I feel we should "gather together" as we see the day approaching.
Here are just a few things I thought of which I don't see being discussed here currently:
Earthquakes in various places around the globe
Financial economy troubles around the globe
China and Russia both pressing for a new world currency
US public schools took God out/all government buildings removing any reference to God
and does this relate to the younger generation's rebellion against parents and authority figures
Do you see these things increasing over the last decade (yes, they've always been around, but have you noticed a marked increase over the last 5-10 years in):
self-love, gimme now/I deserve everything-for-nothing-attitudes
covetousness (desiring things that other people have which are beyond your means)
arrogance, boasting, pride
cussing, smut on TV even in the commercials
being lied to/betrayed/broken promises all without any signs of remorse
mocking of Christians, mocking of the bible, mocking of God and Jesus
fornication/adultery/perversions such as homosexuality and pedophiles
Russia and Iran both being right outside Israel's borders in Syria
The LGBT movement and/or gay marriage
Christian persecution in middle east nations (and or in our/your own)
False teachers on TV (and in churches)
Muslim invasion of the world
Syrian refugee crisis (what do you think of the crisis in Germany, Austria, and other nations. Also what do you think about Obama importing them here to US?) The "deal" which basically allows Iran to have nukes
Obama's use of executive orders to bypass Congress
And if you'd like to discuss any of these things (or other current events), please state if you believe it does or does not pertain to scripture and why.
Pick a topic... and let's dig in! Thanks
The debators: @Pastor Scott Markle & @Covenanter (Everyone else will just have viewing privileges)
Topic: Prophecy on Daniel 9
Length: 2 Months (Due to Pastor Markle's ability to post once per week.)
No name calling (No accusations of heresy). No copying and pasting from sources around the internet. (You can copy from your own posts on OB). Each persons begins with opening remarks. After opening remarks. Opening discussions will begin. Can't post back to back comments. Must wait for opposing party to post. Topics can't be edited in anyway after posting.
Any other suggestions? If both will now agree, I can set this forum up and we can begin. Thank you. We look forward to following this debate.
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