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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Read Matthew 24:7-8

Jesus told them that there would be famines as birth pains before the end of the world or age. That means the famines will become more frequent and more severe as we near the end.

 

The famines will be even worse in the tribulation.

 

If your comment means that you are not getting raptured before the tribulation, then you will need even more food and water.

 

The fallacy of us getting worse famines than before? Let us read the verses here:

 

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

Where o' where is the 'worse' part here?

What about Mark 13?

 

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

 

Uh, oh, what about Luke 21?

 

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

A made up doctrine of 'learned' men who took on what other 'learned' men taught.

That's all.

And yes I do believe we will be 'raptured' after a tribulation time.

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If we actually read Mat. 24, Mark 13 & Luke 21 from the beginning, we see that Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple, & the disciples ask when? & what signs? And if we read Jesus' answer, we see a lot of what he says will happen - in the early part of his reply, are NOT indicators of when? nor what signs? 

 

You, Eric, in common with Christians down the ages, are deceiving yourselves in thinking that the not signs are signs. Jesus couldn't have said it clearer:

 

Mat. 24:4-8 Mark 13:5-8 Luke 21:8-9  beginning of sorrows, NOT signs - they started long before Christ &continue to this day, showing no sign of stopping.

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Here is where Christian so-called 'doctrines' have failed.
 
Amos 8:11 -
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
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I believe the bible when it says famines will come before the day of the Lord. Zephaniah 1:14,2:1-3 teaches that the day of the Lord is very near when Israel the nation not desired has gathered.

 

So I just bought 1000lbs of wheat and 1000lbs of corn and 1000lbs of soy beans for $702.00 at a local feed mill. 1 lb of grain is about 1500 calories. They are stored in two 55 gallon garbage bags inside 55 Gallon drums with two lbs of dry ice. they should keep till I die or I am called up to meet Jesus.

 

You can learn how to cook them on you tube.

Luke 12: 16......The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17  And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? 18  And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. 19  And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20  But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21  So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

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1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own,and specially for those of his own house,he hath denied the faith,and is worse than an infidel.

Notice the context of this, and related verses as well. Notice we are called to provide for what today we would call our extended family as well. While I know of Christians in some other lands which do this, there are exceedingly few Christians in America willing to take care of their needy aunts (for instance).

 

Notice also we are nowhere told to stockpile for our families. What we are instructed is not to waste our substance upon ourselves only; we are not to lay up any treasures upon earth but rather we are to freely give out of whatever abundance the Lord provides.

 

Whether today or during a time of famine, if someone needs help we are told in Scripture to help them.

 

In time of crisis are you willing to share your stockpile with your entire extended family if they need food? Are you willing to share your stockpile with your entire church family if they need food? Are you willing to give to any who ask your help?

 

Scripture does not say we will be facing starvation before Christ returns.

 

Actually, with so many needy Christians (as well as billions more needy non-Christians) we have to ask ourselves if stockpiling months or years of food is the right course of action when so many need that food today. Are we the one the Lord wants to use to provide a persons daily bread today? If so, will we follow the Lord's instruction to help all we can or will we refuse and the Lord have to raise up another for such a time as this?

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1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own,and specially for those of his own house,he hath denied the faith,and is worse than an infidel.

 

I agree with John and I believe you have taken the 'context' way out of the picture here and 'rightly divided' wrongly.

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Notice the context of this, and related verses as well. Notice we are called to provide for what today we would call our extended family as well. While I know of Christians in some other lands which do this, there are exceedingly few Christians in America willing to take care of their needy aunts (for instance).

 

Notice also we are nowhere told to stockpile for our families. What we are instructed is not to waste our substance upon ourselves only; we are not to lay up any treasures upon earth but rather we are to freely give out of whatever abundance the Lord provides.

 

Whether today or during a time of famine, if someone needs help we are told in Scripture to help them.

 

In time of crisis are you willing to share your stockpile with your entire extended family if they need food? Are you willing to share your stockpile with your entire church family if they need food? Are you willing to give to any who ask your help?

 

Scripture does not say we will be facing starvation before Christ returns.

 

Actually, with so many needy Christians (as well as billions more needy non-Christians) we have to ask ourselves if stockpiling months or years of food is the right course of action when so many need that food today. Are we the one the Lord wants to use to provide a persons daily bread today? If so, will we follow the Lord's instruction to help all we can or will we refuse and the Lord have to raise up another for such a time as this?

 

John,

You are right about extended family needing care. I have 19 people who will be needing help because none of them will prepare for themselves. It takes 1 pound of mixed grains to give each person 1500 calories for a day. We will all lose weight on that amount of food, but we will live for a time. Our grand parents caned food for a year.

 

How long can you live on the food in your house now? If the power grid goes down you may have to find out.

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Whether I have a years worth of food stocked in the basement or one small can of beans in the cabinet I know God will provide. In good times and bad the Lord has never let me go hungry. At home or far away, the Lord has provided. I know without doubt the Lord can and will provide our daily bread regardless of the power grid, crop production, famine, war or whatever may come about.

 

We who have are told in Scripture to share with those who have not. If we OBey our Lord, whatever stock we have won't be ours alone, but for the care of however many others have need. Whether friend or foe Scripture says we are to give, asking nothing in return, when others seek our help. Scripture also says if we see others in need and could help but don't...

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I am astounded John that you have chosen to totally ignore the mean spirited and accusatory misapplication of Scripture by Invicta, while making a huge deal out of Eric use of Scripture.

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For 48 years, I've never missed a meal due to lack. God has a good track record.

 

For me personally, I'd fear trusting in what I had laid up in store and not trusting Jesus. If Jesus told me to lay up in store like he did Joseph, I would try my very best to OBey. So far I have not seen anything in his teachings that say I need to lay up for tomorrow, next year, next decade, etc. 

 

The man who built a bigger barn to lay up for years to come, Jesus called him a fool. Luke 12:20, 21

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For 48 years, I've never missed a meal due to lack. God has a good track record.

 

For me personally, I'd fear trusting in what I had laid up in store and not trusting Jesus. If Jesus told me to lay up in store like he did Joseph, I would try my very best to OBey. So far I have not seen anything in his teachings that say I need to lay up for tomorrow, next year, next decade, etc. 

 

The man who built a bigger barn to lay up for years to come, Jesus called him a fool. Luke 12:20, 21

 

The rich man laid up for himself. I have 19 people on my side of the family. I don't think my wife's side will come to us for help. I live 4 blocks from our church. NOBody is preparing for trouble.

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Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

 

The parable of the rich fool is about someone whose heart is with that treasure and not with God. But as far as I can see the verse above clearly says it is not a case of either or. Eric says he is storing the food to feed many including himself, and he says he doesn't mind if God takes him before it is used. So what's the prOBlem?

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Interestingly enough, there are people all over the world who are Christians who do face hunger issues.  Because of the oppression by their governments.  Is God not providing for them?  Of course He does, just not what we think of when we say provide.

 

To think that we are more spiritual than someone else because we do not store extra provisions because we know God will provide is a wee bit prideful, IMO (yes, I know, no-one said they were more spiritual...but it does kind of come across that way...).  Especially when God uses that someone else to provide food for those who don't store it themselves...

 

Kudos to you, Eric, for thinking of your family.  Yes, I do believe that famine is coming. It's hard to believe with things still in abundant supply in this country, but there are supplies that run out. Personally, I believe this is by design.  When a shortage occurs, panic ensues...and when people panic, they being to pillage.  If there is pillaging, big government can step in.

 

Not only do supplies run short at times, but we face weather issues that cause growing prOBlems as well. Freezes in FL and CA cause citrus to die and thus prices go up, lack of rain causes many foods not to grow in as much abundance as could be, etc.  

 

And, lest we forget, God used the ant as a good example...

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Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

 

The parable of the rich fool is about someone whose heart is with that treasure and not with God. But as far as I can see the verse above clearly says it is not a case of either or. Eric says he is storing the food to feed many including himself, and he says he doesn't mind if God takes him before it is used. So what's the prOBlem?

 

The mis-applying of a so-called teaching as if it were really taught in the bible. [Eric's post, that is.]

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My question, GP, was for those who are saying that any, like Eric, who store or stockpile food are as the rich fool in the parable.

 

I see.

 

Notice your wording: { "Eric says he is storing the food to feed many including himself, and he says he doesn't mind if God takes him before it is used. So what's the prOBlem?" }

 

Hence, post #57.

 

Your answer above denies your "So what's the prOBlem" question.

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I am astounded John that you have chosen to totally ignore the mean spirited and accusatory misapplication of Scripture by Invicta, while making a huge deal out of Eric use of Scripture.

Where are these postings? I've not read one of Invictas postings outside the Supper thread in awhile.

 

In any event, there are far more postings I don't respond to here than that which I do. The same could be said for each of us.

 

Eric knows how to carry on a civil conversation, so that helps open the door of discussion.

 

By the way, you OBviously misread my postings since I'm not making a "huge deal" out of Eric's use of Scripture; simply discussing a topic with him.

 

If you wish to address whatever Invicta is discussing while not responding to Eric, myself or anyone else at this particular time, I won't be offended or accuse you of ignoring those people or posts.

 

On the other hand, I would be interested to hear how things are going with your family and church as it's been awhile since you've posted about either.

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