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John, many of your posts have no part in advancing the Gospel.
If that was the standard for allowing a post on this site then the overwhelming majority of posts would have to be removed.

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John, many of your posts have no part in advancing the Gospel.
If that was the standard for allowing a post on this site then the overwhelming majority of posts would have to be removed.

That's not the point. This particular poster starts numerous threads and posts the same isolated bits of Scripture, sometimes with a theory attached, and then leaves them hanging with no explanation. When asked about them he says they are to convince people of nuclear war so they will be afraid and I'm assuming he thinks that will get them to heaven.

 

The point is, isolated Scripture with a theory attached but nothing more leaves the whole thing open to a wide variety of guesses, points no lost person who might see it to what the poster says he's trying to convey, and without some explanation doesn't provide anything for the saved.

 

No one is saying every post has to be evangelistic or for edification, but when the claim is made they are of such but they don't meet those things, then it's left to wonder what the post means.

 

If there is actual meaning to these dozens of threads saying the same thing I would like to know what it is, which is why I ask. Simply posting a verse of Scripture and saying the sun will be darkened or there will be a nuclear war, doesn't mean much without context and/or explanation.

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That's not the point. This particular poster starts numerous threads and posts the same isolated bits of Scripture, sometimes with a theory attached, and then leaves them hanging with no explanation. When asked about them he says they are to convince people of nuclear war so they will be afraid and I'm assuming he thinks that will get them to heaven.

 

The point is, isolated Scripture with a theory attached but nothing more leaves the whole thing open to a wide variety of guesses, points no lost person who might see it to what the poster says he's trying to convey, and without some explanation doesn't provide anything for the saved.

 

No one is saying every post has to be evangelistic or for edification, but when the claim is made they are of such but they don't meet those things, then it's left to wonder what the post means.

 

If there is actual meaning to these dozens of threads saying the same thing I would like to know what it is, which is why I ask. Simply posting a verse of Scripture and saying the sun will be darkened or there will be a nuclear war, doesn't mean much without context and/or explanation.

 

John,

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

The church in the last days has become lukewarm as described in Revelation 3:13-17.

 

To the Church in Laodicea Revelation 3

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

 

John most of my post in the prophecy section are for the church not the unsaved.

 

Do you think Jeremiah warned the people in Jerusalem once and then kept quite? I am not a prophet. I do point out prophecy for our time to edify the church.

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John,

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

The church in the last days has become lukewarm as described in Revelation 3:13-17.

 

To the Church in Laodicea Revelation 3

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

 

John most of my post in the prophecy section are for the church not the unsaved.

 

Do you think Jeremiah warned the people in Jerusalem once and then kept quite? I am not a prophet. I do point out prophecy for our time to edify the church.

Thank you for giving forth a bit more to go with. I hope you understand I'm not knocking you for posting on prophecy, I'm simply trying to understand the meaning behind what you are posting. When you post an isolated verse, or a few verses, but nothing more, or perhaps a vague sentence of theory, it's left hanging in the air just what you are trying to say.

 

You say these postings are for us (the saved) so could you explain in what way these are for us and their purpose?

 

You are correct, especially with regards to American Christians, that lukewarmness has become the norm. Are your postings in some way an attempt to point that out, or an attempt to correct that, or something else?

 

There is very much confusion with regards to end-times prophecy, as well as with how to live for the Lord today, as we can see even here on OB in several threads. Any effort to bring clarity and explanation to these matters is worth the effort.

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Where Is The Kingdom Of Antichrist? Earth

 

Yes the antichrist will be given control of earth by God at the middle of the tribulation.Revelation 17:16-17.

But at the beginning of the tribulation the antichrist will come to power in the strongest country Daniel 11:39.

 

Where is the kingdom of antichrist?

 

Where and why will it be darkened before Armageddon? Look for the answer in the prophets.

 

Revelation 16:10-11

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

Before Armageddon the sun and moon will stand still and go from view because a permanent solar eclipse will cause darkness on Israel and the other side of the earth. America will be judged as the kingdom of antichrist. I warn American Christians to cause them to witness now.

 

 

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went(from view), and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people(Israel), even for salvation with thine anointed(church); thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

 

 The permanent solar eclipse will continue through the kingdom age see Isaiah 60:19-20.

 

Isaiah 60:19-20

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

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Why do you believe this says he will come to power in the strongest country?

 

Strength comes in many forms, how do you know what country is strongest or what country will be strongest at that time?

 

If we won't be there why are we trying to figure out the details?

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Why do you believe this says he will come to power in the strongest country?

 

Strength comes in many forms, how do you know what country is strongest or what country will be strongest at that time?

 

If we won't be there why are we trying to figure out the details?

Daniel 11:36-40

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

 

(The antichrist will have control in the most strong holds or strongest nation when he divides Israel before the tribulation wars start.)

 

39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

 

America is the strongest nation on what will be the dark side of the earth after the sun and moon stand still on Israel's side of the earth. Zephaniah 1:14-2:3 teaches that the day of the Lord or tribulation is near, it is near,and hasteth greatly when the nation not desired (Israel) is gathered. There is not time for America to fall and another nation in the western hemisphere to become the strongest nation.

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Daniel 11:36-40

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

 

(The antichrist will have control in the most strong holds or strongest nation when he divides Israel before the tribulation wars start.)

 

39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

 

America is the strongest nation on what will be the dark side of the earth after the sun and moon stand still on Israel's side of the earth. Zephaniah 1:14-2:3 teaches that the day of the Lord or tribulation is near, it is near,and hasteth greatly when the nation not desired (Israel) is gathered. There is not time for America to fall and another nation in the western hemisphere to become the strongest nation.

If I recall, someone in another thread did a pretty good jOB pointing out many prOBlems with the idea of there being a dark side of the earth.

 

A nation can fall in a day so there is more than enough time for America to fall unless everything happens right now. China could cripple America with the stoke of a pen. Hackers could do the same. The economic position of America is in a very precarious state and if it tumbles drastically, that's it for America.

 

If America bungles it's way into a nuclear war with Russia it will be China that steps in and takes the mantle of worlds strongest nation.

 

The strength of the American military is based upon exceedingly expensive hi-tech weaponry. If the American economy falls, the American military will be exceedingly limited in how long and on how many fronts she can effectively fight since she won't be able to resupply.

 

America is also internally weak and growing weaker each year.

 

Most "prophecy preachers" have, and still do, point to the EU as the power center in the end times, not America.

 

You say these postings are to help believers but you haven't yet said how they help believers if we won't be here when this happens and if you are basing much of what you say from theory that we can't know the accuracy of until after the event. This is confusing.

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If I recall, someone in another thread did a pretty good jOB pointing out many prOBlems with the idea of there being a dark side of the earth.

 

A nation can fall in a day so there is more than enough time for America to fall unless everything happens right now. China could cripple America with the stoke of a pen. Hackers could do the same. The economic position of America is in a very precarious state and if it tumbles drastically, that's it for America.

 

If America bungles it's way into a nuclear war with Russia it will be China that steps in and takes the mantle of worlds strongest nation.

 

The strength of the American military is based upon exceedingly expensive hi-tech weaponry. If the American economy falls, the American military will be exceedingly limited in how long and on how many fronts she can effectively fight since she won't be able to resupply.

 

America is also internally weak and growing weaker each year.

 

Most "prophecy preachers" have, and still do, point to the EU as the power center in the end times, not America.

 

You say these postings are to help believers but you haven't yet said how they help believers if we won't be here when this happens and if you are basing much of what you say from theory that we can't know the accuracy of until after the event. This is confusing.

John,

 

I agree that America could fall or be destroyed fast but another country can not rise in time to be the most powerful nation.

 

In 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12 we are told that God will send strong delusion on everyone that has heard the truth of the gospel but rejected Jesus, to believe the lie of the antichrist. America will be the most deluded nation because they have been the most evangelized people. The Western Europe will follow antichrist soon after America. America will be in the dark when the sun and moon stop over Israel. The reason America prOBably won't fall before the rapture is the Christians who are faithful to the end.

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Yes the antichrist will be given control of earth by God at the middle of the tribulation.Revelation 17:16-17.

But at the beginning of the tribulation the antichrist will come to power in the strongest country Daniel 11:39.

 

Where is the kingdom of antichrist?

 

Where and why will it be darkened before Armageddon? Look for the answer in the prophets.

 

Revelation 16:10-11

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

Before Armageddon the sun and moon will stand still and go from view because a permanent solar eclipse will cause darkness on Israel and the other side of the earth. America will be judged as the kingdom of antichrist. I warn American Christians to cause them to witness now.

 

 

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went(from view), and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people(Israel), even for salvation with thine anointed(church); thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

 

 The permanent solar eclipse will continue through the kingdom age see Isaiah 60:19-20.

 

Isaiah 60:19-20

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

 

A solar eclipse is when the Moon passes between the Sun and Earth, and the Moon fully or partially blocks the Sun. 

 

1 There is still light greater than a full moon at night.

2 Both the moon and sun are still visible

 

The other events come and go, we don't know if this darkness will come and go also. 

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A solar eclipse is when the Moon passes between the Sun and Earth, and the Moon fully or partially blocks the Sun. 

 

1 There is still light greater than a full moon at night.

2 Both the moon and sun are still visible

 

The other events come and go, we don't know if this darkness will come and go also. 

MC,

 

The permanent solar eclipse will continue through the kingdom age see Isaiah 60:19-20.

 

Isaiah 60:19-20

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

 

The sun and moon stay over Israel for the 1000 year kingdom age. When I understood this I finally believed. There are many scriptures that talk about the sun going dark at noon or in its going forth. The 200 mile dark spot is only on Israel where the antichrist's seat of power will be for the last half of the tribulation Daniel 11:45.During a full solar eclipse you can't see the moon or sun or stars because of a twilight condition.

 

Read all of Isaiah chapter 60. Jesus will come to Israel in verse1-2, and the Gentiles will come to Israel to look up to see the light of Jesus in the New Jerusalem in the heavens over Israel in the shadow of the moon.

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John,

 

I agree that America could fall or be destroyed fast but another country can not rise in time to be the most powerful nation.

 

In 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12 we are told that God will send strong delusion on everyone that has heard the truth of the gospel but rejected Jesus, to believe the lie of the antichrist. America will be the most deluded nation because they have been the most evangelized people. The Western Europe will follow antichrist soon after America. America will be in the dark when the sun and moon stop over Israel. The reason America prOBably won't fall before the rapture is the Christians who are faithful to the end.

In what way is America the most powerful nation?

 

There was a recent thread which took to task just what the "strong delusion" actually means and who it pertains to and there was no consensus that it referred to those after the rapture or specific people after rapture.

 

Today, it's hard to say America is evangelized. There are millions across America today who have never read anything from a Bible. Many who have no idea who Jesus is. Many more who have a secular, vague concept of Jesus or "a God", or know something of secular "christianity". Millions in America, if they heard the Gospel tomorrow, it would be the first time they ever heard it.

 

How is it that most all "prophecy preachers", as well as most previous generations who spoke on this, don't now or didn't then see America fitting this role? Most have believed it to be a European confederation; with most today pointing to the EU.

 

As MC pointed out, and others did in another thread, the idea of the Western Hemisphere being in the dark for an extended time period isn't what they see in Scripture.

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In what way is America the most powerful nation?

 

There was a recent thread which took to task just what the "strong delusion" actually means and who it pertains to and there was no consensus that it referred to those after the rapture or specific people after rapture.

 

Today, it's hard to say America is evangelized. There are millions across America today who have never read anything from a Bible. Many who have no idea who Jesus is. Many more who have a secular, vague concept of Jesus or "a God", or know something of secular "christianity". Millions in America, if they heard the Gospel tomorrow, it would be the first time they ever heard it.

 

How is it that most all "prophecy preachers", as well as most previous generations who spoke on this, don't now or didn't then see America fitting this role? Most have believed it to be a European confederation; with most today pointing to the EU.

 

As MC pointed out, and others did in another thread, the idea of the Western Hemisphere being in the dark for an extended time period isn't what they see in Scripture.

 

We have had one or two people come into our church recently who say they have never been in any church before,  One only lived round the corner and said she did not know our church existed, even though we had leafleted that road.

 

Hitler's regime was Catholic through and through, and he was put in power when the Catholic party voted the give him  executive powers and was then ordered by the pope to disband.  Hitler never one an election.  His regime was  called the Third Reich.  Many consider the EU to be The Fourth Reich, also led by Germany.  Most of Europe is RC.

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Hitler never one an election. His regime was called the Third Reich.


You can't help but twist history can you....
Hitler's Nazi party was the largest elected party, and he was Appointed as chancellor. His party did win the election.

If you are referring to a technicality that he was never voted for as chancellor, then you are manipulating the facts, for that was not their method of appointing the chancellor.
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You can't help but twist history can you....
Hitler's Nazi party was the largest elected party, and he was Appointed as chancellor. His party did win the election.

If you are referring to a technicality that he was never voted for as chancellor, then you are manipulating the facts, for that was not their method of appointing the chancellor.

A fine point, but indeed under the democratic system in Germany at that time, Hitler gained the seat of Chancellor by legal appointment. He also managed to legally use the system to expand his power before eventually going his own way using the powers the elected officials had previously granted him.

 

Some point to the Holy Roman Empire, which was German, as being more important in terms of the end times than Hitler and the Nazis.

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Just found this article:   

 

"No, Hitler Did Not Come to Power Democratically"

 

by Daniel Luban

 

In a recent interview, the conservative Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis argues that the Arab world is not ready for free and fair elections. This may be surprising coming from the man whose theories about “the roots of Muslim rage” were a major inspiration for the Bush administration’s democracy promotion agenda. Nevertheless, in making his argument Lewis repeats what is supposed to be the argument-clincher against elections — the fact that “Hitler came to power in a free and fair election.”

The only prOBlem is that this frequently-repeated “fact” is simply not true. In the final two free elections before Hitler’s rise to power, in July and November 1932, the Nazis received 38% and 33% of the vote, respectively — a plurality but not enough to bring them into government. In the 1932 presidential election, Hitler lost to Hindenburg by a wide margin.

Hitler came to power not through elections, but because Hindenburg and the circle around Hindenburg ultimately decided to appoint him chancellor in January 1933. This was the result of backroom dealing and power politics, not any kind of popular vote. It is true that after Hitler was already ensconced as chancellor, the Nazis subsequently won the March 1933 elections. But this was in the wake of the Reichstag fire, when the government had passed an emergency law that sharply restricted the activities of left-of-center parties (including the arrest of many Communist leaders). Thus it is difficult to claim that these were “free and fair” elections.

 

Look, I understand the basic point that Lewis and the rest are trying to make with the Hitler example: elections can sometimes bring nasty people to power. And frankly, I agree with this OBvious point. But it would be nice if seemingly well-informed people would stop repeating this bogus “fact” about Hitler, so that we can lay it to rest once and for all.

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It takes very little research to see precisely the same manner of governmental appointment in many European countries today.

Many European countries do not have a "two party system" as the US has.
Whoever rules, gains power by coalitions of parties.
In many instances there is no majority party, but many smaller parties join forces to gain control.
It often happens that the party that actually attains the highest percentage of the vote is not able to form adequate coalitions and is therefore not able to form govornment.
THIS IS THEIR LEGITIMATE POLITICAL PROCESS, and therefore the recognized legal procedure.

This is what happened with Hitler. It was fully legal and according their prevailing political process.

And anyone who lives in Europe would know that.

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Just found this article:   

 

"No, Hitler Did Not Come to Power Democratically"

 

by Daniel Luban

 

In a recent interview, the conservative Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis argues that the Arab world is not ready for free and fair elections. This may be surprising coming from the man whose theories about “the roots of Muslim rage” were a major inspiration for the Bush administration’s democracy promotion agenda. Nevertheless, in making his argument Lewis repeats what is supposed to be the argument-clincher against elections — the fact that “Hitler came to power in a free and fair election.”

The only prOBlem is that this frequently-repeated “fact” is simply not true. In the final two free elections before Hitler’s rise to power, in July and November 1932, the Nazis received 38% and 33% of the vote, respectively — a plurality but not enough to bring them into government. In the 1932 presidential election, Hitler lost to Hindenburg by a wide margin.

Hitler came to power not through elections, but because Hindenburg and the circle around Hindenburg ultimately decided to appoint him chancellor in January 1933. This was the result of backroom dealing and power politics, not any kind of popular vote. It is true that after Hitler was already ensconced as chancellor, the Nazis subsequently won the March 1933 elections. But this was in the wake of the Reichstag fire, when the government had passed an emergency law that sharply restricted the activities of left-of-center parties (including the arrest of many Communist leaders). Thus it is difficult to claim that these were “free and fair” elections.

 

Look, I understand the basic point that Lewis and the rest are trying to make with the Hitler example: elections can sometimes bring nasty people to power. And frankly, I agree with this OBvious point. But it would be nice if seemingly well-informed people would stop repeating this bogus “fact” about Hitler, so that we can lay it to rest once and for all.

The RC party the Zentrum, voted Hitler emergency powers and then the Pope ordered them to disband and support the Nazi Party.  I have not distorted history. 

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The permanent solar eclipse is described in many day of the Lord prophecies.

 

 

Isaiah 13:9-11

9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

 

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

 

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

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