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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

"make your calling and election sure"


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This was taken from an article by a Calvinist, teaching 'perseverence of the saints'. It is, I believe, from the RSV(Revised Standard Version). Notice the wording in the last sentence of each and tell me if you notice a subtle but drastic difference in meaning between this and the KJB.

2 Peter 1:10 (RSV?)"Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."


Here is what the King James says ....
2 Peter 1:10-11
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I know this could be in the wrong forum, but it has to do with the security of the believer.
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This was taken from an article by a Calvinist, teaching 'perseverence of the saints'. It is, I believe, from the RSV(Revised Standard Version). Notice the wording in the last sentence of each and tell me if you notice a subtle but drastic difference in meaning between this and the KJB.


Here is what the King James says ....
2 Peter 1:10-11
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I know this could be in the wrong forum, but it has to do with the security of the believer.

Hartstrings, what subtle but drastic difference do you see between these passages? Both are saying that believers should make sure they are saved, because if they're saved, they will never fall from grace, but rather be granted an entrance into heaven, the eternal kingdom of the Lord. Those who believe in the perseverence of the saints (or "once saved, always saved") use this passage as one foundation for that belief. A person who is truly, surely saved will never fall, but will surely be granted entrance into heaven.
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Hartstrings, what subtle but drastic difference do you see between these passages? Both are saying that believers should make sure they are saved, because if they're saved, they will never fall from grace
Making "your calling and election sure" has absolutely nothing to do with making sure you are saved. Actually, it is speaking about Christian maturity [bible]2 Peter 1[/bible]. "Calling and election" is not referring to obtaining salvation; it speaks of duty and service. This passage is talking about adding to your faith, growing to maturity and serving God, thereby being fruitful, not falling into sin, and getting rewarded for it in Heaven.



This is saying you will be given "an entrance"...if you do thus and so
2 Peter 1:10 (RSV?)
"Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."



And this one is referring to WHAT KIND of entrance you will be given....
2 Peter 1:10-11 KJB
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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This is saying you will be given "an entrance"...if you do thus and so



And this one is referring to WHAT KIND of entrance you will be given....
2 Peter 1:10-11 KJB
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I may be dense, but I'm still not seeing the difference between the two. Here they are side by side, with grammar/syntax indicated.

"an entrance": This word is the subject in both versions.
"will be provided"/"shall be ministered": These are the verbs. They mean the same thing.
So far, we have (in subject/verb order) "An entrance will be provided (or shall be ministered)."

Now, we have the adverbs (not adjectives describing "what kind of" entrance). They are richly and abundantly (and there, in the RSV). Again, these words are synonyms, both describing HOW the entrance will be ministered/provided. HOW will the entrance be ministered/provided? Richly/abundantly. Again, neither one of these words are adjectives describing what kind of entrance.
With these words added, we have the following:
An entrance (subject) will be provided/ministered (passive verb) richly/abundantly (adverb).

Then, we have the prepositional phrases, telling to whom this entrance will be ministered, into where the entrance is, and whose kingdom is being entered:
unto you (KJV)/for you (RSV)
into the everlasting kingdom (KJV)/into the eternal kingdom (RSV)
of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (both versions)

So, what we have (in subject/predicate order) is the following:
An entrance (subject) will be provided/ministered (passive verb) richly/abundantly (adverb) unto you/for you (prep phrase) into the everlasting/eternal kingdom (prep phrase) of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (prep phrase).

The grammar and syntax appear to be exactly the same, and communicate exactly the same thing. I'm not sure how you think one conveys a different meaning than the other. The word so, which you underlined in the KJV, is also found in the RSV. It is the conjunction that begins the clause. It is found in both versions, and performs the same function, although the words are in different order. (The subject comes before the verb in the KJV, and the subject comes after the verb in the RSV. But both are saying the same thing. The word so is in the same place, at the beginning of the clause.)
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I think its kind of humorous to see a Calvinist quote scripture that falls in line with the thousands of verses that demonstrate the irrefutability that salvation is up to the believer's choice to accept or reject. According to Calvin we can't make sure of anything cause we're too dead to do any "makin sure" and have to let God "make" it sure for us.... cute circular logic....

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I'm afraid I don't see much difference between the two, sir.
God bless,
Crushmaster.


Well, I read it again and it just looks fishy to me. I'll just stick with the King James.

Here are some quotes from the same article on "perseverence of the saints".........

Election is unconditional, but glorification is not. There are many warnings in Scripture that those who do not hold fast to Christ can be lost in the end.


There is a falling away of some believers, but if it persists, it shows that their faith was not genuine and they were not born of God.
God killed Annanias and Saphira for lying to the Holy Ghost, and He was about to kill the man in 1 Corinthians who "had his father's wife", and old Brother Lot down in Sodom wasn't doing too much perseverence either.

Then he says this....
l John 2:l9, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be made plain that they all are not of us." Similarly, the parable of the four soils as interpreted in Luke 8:9-l4 pictures people who "hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in a time of temptation fall away."

The fact that such a thing is possible is precisely why the ministry of the Word in every local church must contain many admonitions to the church members to persevere in faith and not be entangled in those things which could possibly strangle them and result in their condemnation.


While he is claiming that he, as a Calvinist, believes in Eternal Security, I think what he really means is that Eternal security does exist for the "elect"; but each member or non-member of that "elect" cannot be 100% sure if his own personal security until he has "persevered to the end" to "final salvation". Does that sound like he's teaching people to fully trust Christ and take God at His word? Doesn't to me.

The Bible never teaches "perseverance of the saints"..the word, in that context does not even appear. But it does teach spiritual growth, sanctification, and overcoming the world.

"Election", as I understand it, means chosen or established for a purpose. The Lord Jesus Christ is "elect".

"Predestination" simply means that the end, or destiny of "the elect" is comformity to the image of Christ.
If you are born again, that is your destiny and there is nothing you can do or not do to make it happen or prevent it.

"Foreknowledge", simply means God knows everything that will happen, before it happens.....as I understand it, simply means that the institution of "the elect", and their destiny, was designed, decreed, and determined in eternity past. In other words, the process and the outcome of the whole thing is of His design and will not take Him by surprise.. Yes, God knew each individual who would and would not be saved, but it is your choice whether you want to submit to God and become a part of His great and wonderful plan. God even knows if you will choose, but He gives you the choice.

When you respond positively to wooing power of the Holy Spirit, submit and give your heart to God, call on the name of Jesus in repentence and faith....Jesus will come into your heart and dwell there forever. At that moment, you also become one of those who are "chosen for service" ; that's now your purpose and your job. You become part of "the big picture",. And also at that moment your destiny is sealed, you become one of those who WILL be conformed to the image of Christ. In my finite and feeble mid, that's how I understand it.
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John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Who can come to Jesus?

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Again I ask, "Who can come to Jesus?" Many disciples left because of this teaching.
John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

That teaching was not popular in Jesus day, any more than it is today. Many 'disciples' left, but the true disciples persevered.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
They hath everlasting life, not they will have. If they can lose it how can it be everlasting?

When Paul and Barnabus preached to the Gentiles, who believed and were saved?

Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

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John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Who can come to Jesus?



"John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

All men are drawn by God at some point. They can resist that though.
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Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to ever one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (then see ...) Romans 10 :13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (then see...) Ephesians 2: 8, 9 & 10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (then still ...) Romans 11:5 & 6 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (then ...) Galatians 3:2&3 This only would I learn you, Recieved ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (then now see..) Ephesians 1 : 12, 13 &14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation in whom also, after that ye believed ,ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possesion,unto the praise of his glory. (now just me saying!!!) Please read Ephesians Chapter 3 to the end you will be so blessed! (Actually I want to say read Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Phllippians, Colossians and all the way thru to Hebrews !!) Just read His Word. Really Read His Word and you will know Really Know your His, bought by Him and you couldn't earn your salvation so you cann't keep yourself saved! He does!! Eph. 4:30...ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. His by Grace

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.........When Paul and Barnabus preached to the Gentiles, who believed and were saved?

Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.


1. Do a study of the word "ordained". It doesn't mean what you think.
Try a Middle English dictionary. Also look up the Greek word it was translated from. The Greek word "tasso" is also translated as "addicted" in the King James Bible. With me so far? 1 Corinthians 16:15

2. Understand that, in the ancient world, same as now, people prepared and planned expecting full well to obtain eternal life. For example: Egyptians embalmed bodies and placed belongings, even food, into tombs in preparation for the afterlife. Some pharaohs had pyramids built, which took decades to construct, because they thought they would live forever. These people were lost and didn't know the true and living God, yet they were "fixed", "determined", "set", on having eternal life. Read Mark 10:17

3. Understand also that some people lived for today, even as now. Atheists today, say they beleive the grave is the end. I heard one of my college instructors say he did not WANT to live forever. The Bible also says "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God"; so we know there were athiests then too. They are NOT ordained "set" on getting eternal life.

4. So those Gentiles who were "fixed", "set", on living forever, beleived on the Lord Jesus Christ. They were "addicted", if you will, to the prospect of living forever.

5. Acts 13: 48 DOES NOT say "God" did any ordaining; to say so, is to add to the word of God. These were people who "ordained" themselves . They were simply "set", "ordered' "fixed" "determined" to have eternal life...."addicted" to it......Just like the pharaohs were.

Study the original meaning of the word "ordained".
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I'm sorry but I'm left a bit confused! Are you concerned about "everyone thinking they are recieving life eternal" ? God's word says...Ephesians 2:2 & 3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. OR Are you concerned that you could lose your salvation? God's word says...Phillipians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: (Now only my words!) I've read your post several times and you wanted me to find the meaning of "ordained" in ACT 13:48 "ordained" here it means " to appoint because of their decision" according to my notes from my Pastors teaching in S.S.. He's a trustworthy and lovingly leads the flock not behind us pushing us. Did you know that's what a sheep butcher does to the flock? It pushes them to their death!! I just learned that so I had to share! Anyway, that's why Jesus say's to follow Him! He's the sheeperd is alway's looking over the flock keeping them safe even when they run off on their own. He always goes and get's them. They never get mixed in with another flock at the end of the day because when he calls for His sheep they come knowing His call! I just thought how really exciting that is to know for me! Sure hope this helps!! If not , explain to me what's concerning you and I'll try to help. In Christ's love His by Grace




1. Do a study of the word "ordained". It doesn't mean what you think.
Try a Middle English dictionary. Also look up the Greek word it was translated from. The Greek word "tasso" is also translated as "addicted" in the King James Bible. With me so far? 1 Corinthians 16:15

2. Understand that, in the ancient world, same as now, people prepared and planned expecting full well to obtain eternal life. For example: Egyptians embalmed bodies and placed belongings, even food, into tombs in preparation for the afterlife. Some pharaohs had pyramids built, which took decades to construct, because they thought they would live forever. These people were lost and didn't know the true and living God, yet they were "fixed", "determined", "set", on having eternal life. Read Mark 10:17

3. Understand also that some people lived for today, even as now. Atheists today, say they beleive the grave is the end. I heard one of my college instructors say he did not WANT to live forever. The Bible also says "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God"; so we know there were athiests then too. They are NOT ordained "set" on getting eternal life.

4. So those Gentiles who were "fixed", "set", on living forever, beleived on the Lord Jesus Christ. They were "addicted", if you will, to the prospect of living forever.

5. Acts 13: 48 DOES NOT say "God" did any ordaining; to say so, is to add to the word of God. These were people who "ordained" themselves . They were simply "set", "ordered' "fixed" "determined" to have eternal life...."addicted" to it......Just like the pharaohs were.

Study the original meaning of the word "ordained".
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in ACT 13:48 "ordained" here it means " to appoint because of their decision"


The word "ordained" basicly means "set". One can be 'set' to something without being appointed. I used to hear the old folks say things like "he's 'set' in his ways". Someone who is set in his ways is difficult or almost impossible to change....he is ordered or established or 'fixed' to a habit, lifestyle, or frame of mind....just like an 'addict'. It is possible to "appoint" someone else to a certain responsiblity, lifestyle, task, whatever; this is pretty much how we use the word "ordained" today. But the Bible does NOT say that the people in Acts 13:48 were "appointed" by anybody. It simply says they "were "ordained". Ordained by who? It doesn't say. They were 'set'. Set to what? Eternal life.

And, no, a saved person cannot lose their salvation.
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Thank goodness! I was afraid you were woried about losing your salvation! Your sue on that Amen!!! Yet I don't understand what your trying to tell me you belive in "ordained " meaning "set" to you here. I read the verse with your diffinition and I'm not understanding what your trying so hard for me to understand! Please explain ok? I still stand by "ordained" here means "to appoint because of their decision" because my Pastor always proves scriptue with scipture. I haven't studied this after your post I read yesterday but I will as soon as I have a bit of time!!




The word "ordained" basicly means "set". One can be 'set' to something without being appointed. I used to hear the old folks say things like "he's 'set' in his ways". Someone who is set in his ways is difficult or almost impossible to change....he is ordered or established or 'fixed' to a habit, lifestyle, or frame of mind....just like an 'addict'. It is possible to "appoint" someone else to a certain responsiblity, lifestyle, task, whatever; this is pretty much how we use the word "ordained" today. But the Bible does NOT say that the people in Acts 13:48 were "appointed" by anybody. It simply says they "were "ordained". Ordained by who? It doesn't say. They were 'set'. Set to what? Eternal life.

And, no, a saved person cannot lose their salvation.
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