Members Covenanter Posted September 8, 2014 Members Share Posted September 8, 2014 How about this one? Never came across this when I searched before. http://www.firstbaptistchurchoc.org/beliefs.htm That looks much better - including eternal security of the believer. I disagree with item XVIII (Rapture, etc) but that would not keep me away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted September 8, 2014 Members Share Posted September 8, 2014 Dr. Brown (the pastor from Oak Creek) is someone that I couldn't recommend enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2bLikeJesus Posted September 8, 2014 Members Share Posted September 8, 2014 How about this one? Never came across this when I searched before. http://www.firstbaptistchurchoc.org/beliefs.htm Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted September 8, 2014 Members Share Posted September 8, 2014 How about this one? Never came across this when I searched before. http://www.firstbaptistchurchoc.org/beliefs.htm Exceedingly better than the other one! Others have already commented upon important points so I'll just agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted September 8, 2014 Members Share Posted September 8, 2014 The pastor of Oak Creek (David Brown) is also president of The King James Bible Research Council...lots of good information! http://www.KJBresearchcouncil.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted September 9, 2014 Administrators Share Posted September 9, 2014 Would anyone mind looking at this church's website and let me know what you think? Would you recommend it? Thanks. http://www.theridgecc.com/what-we- One word.....NO! OK, I need more than one word by way of warning. Number one is that this is not any kind of Baptist Church. They are a "Community Church". All Community Churches follow the teachings and methods of John MacArthur. They are Inter-Denominational and/or Non-Denominational. They have to be to appeal to the community as a whole. Here is one erroneous quote from their website: "the first man and woman were deceived by Satan." My Bible tells me that Adam was not decieved: 1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Here is another quote that shows the tenor of their ministry, (I use the word "ministry" loosely here) "You can expect to hear music consistent with today’s culture." Isn't that just so comforting. You can hear music just like you are used to. Community churches are wishy washy to say the least. They have to take snippets of doctrine from other denominations so that they can appeal to all. Needless to say, you would never catch me recommending anything other than a sound New Testament Independent Baptist Church. I am dogmatic about this to the point of being almost fanatical. If there is no IFB church where you are or where you are going, find one and go there. If you cannot move, or are placed by life circumstancees in a place where there is no IFB church....start one. There just is no substitute for a sound IFB church. Now aren't you glad you asked for an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miss Daisy Posted September 9, 2014 Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 Does the second church use only the Geneva Bible? It sure sounds like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators OLD fashioned preacher Posted September 9, 2014 Moderators Share Posted September 9, 2014 Does the second church use only the Geneva Bible? It sure sounds like it. From their statement of faith: Therefore, in our church, we use exclusively the King James Bible for four reasons: (1) It is based upon superior texts of Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek; (2) It was translated by far superior translators than we have today; (3) It has used a superior translation technique compared with the versions of today, that is, it has used both verbal (or word) equivalence and formal (or form) equivalence, rather than the false dynamic equivalence of thought only; and (4) It has superior theology rather than theological errors in over 356 doctrinal passages, which plague the New International Version and other modern versions. The King James Bible has been blessed of God since the completion of its translation in 1611. The King James Bible, (without the Apocrypha), will be used by pastors, teachers and those in leadership in all areas of our church and Bible school without exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GraceSaved Posted September 9, 2014 Author Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 Is this IFB? I didn't see anywhere that it says that but I may have missed it. I needed another set of eyes. Thanks everyone for replying. I'm going to visit the Baptist church on Wed. It appears that they even have classes for the kids which is hard to find on Wed. services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GraceSaved Posted September 9, 2014 Author Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 Jim: Is the John MacArthur you are referring to the pastor of Grace Community Baptist Church? He has a TV show "Grace to You?" I hear a lot of IFB say things about him like that he teaches Lordship salvation and he is Calvanist. I just ordered some books on the Holy Spirit by Spurgeon but then learned later that he is Calvanist. I'm not well versed on Calvanism but hopefully there is something to be learned by him on other matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted September 9, 2014 Administrators Share Posted September 9, 2014 Jim: Is the John MacArthur you are referring to the pastor of Grace Community Baptist Church? He has a TV show "Grace to You?" I hear a lot of IFB say things about him like that he teaches Lordship salvation and he is Calvanist. I just ordered some books on the Holy Spirit by Spurgeon but then learned later that he is Calvanist. I'm not well versed on Calvanism but hopefully there is something to be learned by him on other matters. Yes grace, this is the same man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted September 9, 2014 Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 Is this IFB? I didn't see anywhere that it says that but I may have missed it. Yes, Oak Creek is IFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GraceSaved Posted September 9, 2014 Author Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 Are all IFB's basically the same? I've been to one before and attended for a year. I never felt like I fit in. Most of the congregation were related somehow or grew up together. I tried to become involved and signed up to help in the children's classes when they asked for volunteers but they didn't have me do anything. Not even sure why I was there. I also felt like I wasn't getting any meat. Especially when they separated the women from the men into their own classes. I felt like I was in a 1950's home economics class. They were teaching on how to keep a home. Mostly how to decorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GraceSaved Posted September 9, 2014 Author Members Share Posted September 9, 2014 I also don't wear dresses. I dress modestly but not in dresses. Can someone be straight forward with me and tell me if this is going to be a prOBlem? No one was ever mean to me about it in the other church but some did look at my legs before my face. It was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Salyan Posted September 9, 2014 Moderators Share Posted September 9, 2014 No! That's why they're independent. You can have IFBs with good doctrine or bad, Calvinist or not, contemporary music or not (although they shouldn't really call themselves IFB if the music gone's modern). Different congregations are going to have different 'feels' too because of the different people involved - sounds like that one was pretty cliquey. The reason I like IFB is that, overall, an IFB church is far more likely than any new evangelical or community church to actually preach the 'whole counsel of God' - the whole Bible, without making excuses for disOBedience. They are also far more likely to honor God with practicing separation from worldly practices & loves (i.e. they have standards). There are some bad ones - doctrine wise or practice wise - and there are some useless ones - like the one you mentioned that taught home economics instead of the Bible - but overall it is very worthwhile to seek them out! I grew up in various new evangelical churches. When I was introduced to my first IFB church, I got so excited at the solid Bible teaching and good music - I didn't know churches like that even existed!! I got more meat there in a couple years of attending than most of the churches combined growing up! Just had a thought about that church you visited before. It doesn't really sound like a great one as far as teaching goes anyways - but I was wondering whether you were a member? A lot of IFBs will not allow a non-member to serve in a teaching/leadership capacity. Maybe that's why they didn't utilize you for children's work. Although, if so, it would have been nice for them to let you know the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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