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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I agree. It means, as far as I can see, that EVERYTHING is holy unto God in that time-not just the holy items in the temple, but ALL pots and bowls everywhere will be holy before the Lord, all set apart and anctified to the service of God. Interesting to note, as well, that upon the bells of the horses, it says HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, because horses were an unclean animal under the law, but here, even the horses are holy unto God.

And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.  1 Kings 4:26

I believe that it means that the horses (used for transport?) will have decorations that read "Holiness Unto the Lord".

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And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.  1 Kings 4:26

I believe that it means that the horses (used for transport?) will have decorations that read "Holiness Unto the Lord".

perhaps, possible. But who's to say we won't still, i dunno, drive cars? Does Jesus' return necessarily mean all technology will be done away with, and we will be a world of Amish, riding horse-drawn buggies?  Or maybe it just means that EVERYTHING will be holy and set apart for the Lord?

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Drive cars with what fuel?  Remember, only those with the mark of the beast will be able to buy supplies such as fuel.  Most of modern technology will be unavailable to the righteous in the last days.  In light of this, it is entirely understandable that we may well indeed be a "world of Amish" in those days.

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Drive cars with what fuel?  Remember, only those with the mark of the beast will be able to buy supplies such as fuel.  Most of modern technology will be unavailable to the righteous in the last days.  In light of this, it is entirely understandable that we may well indeed be a "world of Amish" in those days.

I think we were talking about during the milennial reign of Christ? Am I on the wrong page?

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Sorry...I am skipping through multiple threads on my lunch break.  I am the one who could be mistaken. I sometimes get the topics of a thread jumbled up and post a response in the wrong place, especially since some "hOBby horse" topics somehow worm their way into multiple threads.  

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perhaps, possible. But who's to say we won't still, i dunno, drive cars? Does Jesus' return necessarily mean all technology will be done away with, and we will be a world of Amish, riding horse-drawn buggies?  Or maybe it just means that EVERYTHING will be holy and set apart for the Lord?

Much of the surface of the earth will be destroyed and the population decimated. 

I'm assuming that during the Day of Wrath (last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation, Day of JacOB's Trouble),

Babylon the Great is totally destroyed, and hailstones and asteroids will have destroyed satellites, etc.

so that there is total economic collapse.  So, returning back to a pre-industrial civilization is the result.

 

 

And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,

and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the

LORD of hosts hath spoken it.  Micah 4:3-4

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Much of the surface of the earth will be destroyed and the population decimated. 

I'm assuming that during the Day of Wrath (last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation, Day of JacOB's Trouble),

Babylon the Great is totally destroyed, and hailstones and asteroids will have destroyed satellites, etc.

so that there is total economic collapse.  So, returning back to a pre-industrial civilization is the result.

 

 

And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,

and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the

LORD of hosts hath spoken it.  Micah 4:3-4

That's why I am working on my solar-powered, electric car! Yeah, baby! I'll park it in my underground bunker in the desert, and when Jesus comes, I'll dig it up and drive it. Except I'll be resurrected and won't need it, soooo....

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If you wasn't saved by belief, how was you saved?

I was not saved by believing Jesus was the Christ.

 

I was not saved by believing Jesus was the Messiah.

 

I was not saved by believing Jesus was the son of God.

 

I was saved by grace through faith that Jesus was the sacrifice for my sins when he died a substitutionary death on the Cross for me and rose again the third day to provide me with Everlasting Life.  I believed that and I received salvation and I confessed it with my mouth.

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Ok, got it.

I see it as teaching the opposite of the renewal of sacrifice.

I see it as saying that everyone's own pot, in their own house, is now sacred, and everyone a priest, taking his priestly portion from his own pot.

the context clearly shows that it is all Israel's pots are holy that is because they become a nation of priests.  Not all people of the world.

 

there is plenty in Zac 14 that has not taken place so it is not all historical, it is also prophetic of the millennial.

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But who was the Jesus you believed in? 

Jesus Christ,.

 

But believing he is the Christ does not save anyone.  the gospel of Grace is about his atoning death on the cross for all men.  Only belief on the cross of Christ saves.

 

up until Paul he death burial and resurrection was reserved only for Israel.

 

Anyone today who teaches that you get saved just by believing Jesus is the Chrsit, of the Messiah, or the son of God is teachig another gospel.

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Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

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How can someone believe in Jesus without knowing who he is? I'm not trying to be a smart-alack, but that doesn't make sense.

 

The way that I'm taking what you're saying is...all you have to do is believe that some guy named Jesus died as a sacrifice for your sins on a cross, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day.

 

Why could he die for your sins? What enabled him to rise from the dead? Not just anyone could do that. Only the Son of God could.

 

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

It doesn't say that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus. You have to realize and believe who he is before you can confess him; otherwise, it's a false confession. 

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Jesus Christ,.

 

But believing he is the Christ does not save anyone.  the gospel of Grace is about his atoning death on the cross for all men.  Only belief on the cross of Christ saves.

 

up until Paul he death burial and resurrection was reserved only for Israel.

 

Anyone today who teaches that you get saved just by believing Jesus is the Chrsit, of the Messiah, or the son of God is teachig another gospel.

Up until Paul-at what point? When Paul was sent out of the church at Antioch, or the moment of his conversion?

 

And by the way, on Pentecost, who says all those saved were of Israel? They were of many nations, many languages, not just israelites who had migrated, but these were people who heard the languaes of the places where they were born. In 'our own tongues'. So, not of Israel. converts, perhaps? Jews, yes, but not necessarily Israelites.

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The 4 Gospels that AVBB says are only for the Jews, are the ONLY source for us to know the truth about Jesus Christ.

How shall they believe in him in whom they have not heard?

 

I know this might seem silly, but ever look up the word 'faith' and the word 'believe' in a Greek dictionary?

Faith - pistis.

Believe - pisteuo.

 

Almost the same thing.

 

An interesting definition - Faith - "conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God

                                                     and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it relating to God..."

 

So to be saved by grace (God's merciful grace) through faith (true heart-felt belief), is Biblical salvation, by believing with all your heart.

Seems pretty simple to me.

 

If thou believest with all thine heart thou mayest...

Good enough for the Eunuch? Good enough for anyone!

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1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

2 Corinthians 1:19
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

 

Here's a study for you AV...

 

Look in Paul's epistles and see how many times he uses the terms...

  1. Jesus Christ
  2. Christ Jesus
  3. Son of God
  4. Lord Jesus Christ
  5. Lord Jesus

...then look and see how many times he only uses the name Jesus (without any of the aforementioned) by itself. Then look to see how many times the Lord's name is mentioned alone without the use of one of the aforementioned immediately before it's mentioned alone.

 

The Holy Spirit went to great extremes to use Paul to let it be known that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

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Jesus Christ,.

 

But believing he is the Christ does not save anyone.  the gospel of Grace is about his atoning death on the cross for all men.  Only belief on the cross of Christ saves.

 

up until Paul he death burial and resurrection was reserved only for Israel.

 

Anyone today who teaches that you get saved just by believing Jesus is the Chrsit, of the Messiah, or the son of God is teachig another gospel.

 

 

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ, is born of God, and everyone that loveth him, which begat, loveth him also which is begotten of him."

 

"He that believeth in the Son of God, hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God, hath made him a liar, because he believed not the record, that God witnessed of his Son."

 

"These things have I written unto you, that believe in the Name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the Name of the Son of God."

 

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"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ, is born of God, and everyone that loveth him, which begat, loveth him also which is begotten of him."

 

"He that believeth in the Son of God, hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God, hath made him a liar, because he believed not the record, that God witnessed of his Son."

 

"These things have I written unto you, that believe in the Name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the Name of the Son of God."

 

 

I agree with you, but according to AV's view...that is only for the Jews; therefore, it doesn't really apply to anyone else.

 

Just so you know where he's coming from...and AV, I'm not doing this to mock you...I'm just letting GenevanPreacher know the basics of your belief.

 

The Old Testament, the four Gospels, the book of Hebrews, and the general epistles (James through Revelation) are only for Israel. Paul's epistles are for us (the church) today...

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the context clearly shows that it is all Israel's pots are holy that is because they become a nation of priests. Not all people of the world.

there is plenty in Zac 14 that has not taken place so it is not all historical, it is also prophetic of the millennial.

We are all priests now, and we will be there.

Unless you think our priesthood gets revoked and we return to needing representatives to Jesus, who now physically sits on the throne in Jerusalem?

The truth is, there will be no need for sacrifice, the sacrifice has been made. But in Zach's day, no one in Israel could imagine the world without sacrifice, so God included the idea of the priest's portion flesh pots being equal to everyone's pots.... yes a Nation of priests, but not carrying out sacrifice...that is OVER.
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