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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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We don't know how the population would have grown had Adam not sinned. We don't know what measures God would have employed to control (or not control) the population. We don't know any of that...because Adam did sin...and we are dealing with the results of that.

 

What we do know is this...

 

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

 

As far as the whole session in general; I agree with a lot of what he teaches...I'm not "anti-dispensational". I've studied Dispensational Theology, and my beliefs line up with most of what I've studied...my main conflict is different methods of salvation for different dispensations.  

 

But that's me...

 

 

I think the idea is form this, Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

No end to it. To limit it to this earth alone is to limit the increase. That being said, Isaiah 45 would not be negated if other worlds were to be populated. The population of another planet does not necessaarily mean the disoccupation of earth.

 

Besides, I know this man well, he would harldy have an issue with you if you disagreed with him on this extremely minor point.

 

I will say this, I cannot imagine the Lord employing any means to control the population since his stated purpose to Adam was to be fruitful and multiply. It doesn´t seem to suggest anywhere in the Bible that Adam´s race should only multiply until such time as there is no room

 

?????

 

God bless,

calvary
 

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Dispensational Theology does not present different means of salvation, it presents a method of acting out ones faith that is different than todays method which is based on inward Faith only on the finished work of the cross.

 

No one prior to Paul's Teaching had any idea of Christ finished work for the salvation of all men by faith alone.  The apostles knew that the death burial and resurrection was a fulfilled scriptures that Jesus was the Christ, their Messiah. We today are not required to believe Jesus is the Messiah as they were in the gospel writings.

 

Israel with the law of Moses, their faith was upon God's word and the keeping of it faithfully not only for their life in the land but for everlasting life after they died.  Not that they were justified by works but that when the Cross was finally finished that sacrifice would be retroactive to all who by faith made those sacrifices in the past.

 

The Millennial Video is quite interesting as it address the truth of sacrifices during the Kingdom.  Which many Christians just can't wrap their theology around it so they call it heresy or blasphemy.  But it is there in God's word in  Zachariah 14, many deal with it by saying it is ALL past events so doesn't apply but they would have to ignore most of the scriptures that speak on the future Kingdom we now know is 1000 years long.

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Dispensational Theology does not present different means of salvation, it presents a method of acting out ones faith that is different than todays method which is based on inward Faith only on the finished work of the cross.

No one prior to Paul's Teaching had any idea of Christ finished work for the salvation of all men by faith alone. The apostles knew that the death burial and resurrection was a fulfilled scriptures that Jesus was the Christ, their Messiah. We today are not required to believe Jesus is the Messiah as they were in the gospel writings.

Israel with the law of Moses, their faith was upon God's word and the keeping of it faithfully not only for their life in the land but for everlasting life after they died. Not that they were justified by works but that when the Cross was finally finished that sacrifice would be retroactive to all who by faith made those sacrifices in the past.

The Millennial Video is quite interesting as it address the truth of sacrifices during the Kingdom. Which many Christians just can't wrap their theology around it so they call it heresy or blasphemy. But it is there in God's word in Ezk 14, many deal with it by saying it is ALL past events so doesn't apply but they would have to ignore most of the scriptures that speak on the future Kingdom we now know is 1000 years long.

Ezekiel 14?

Is that the right chapter?

I'm sorry, but there is no prophecy of the coming kingdom in Ezekiel 14.
Perhaps you meant a different chapter?

I'm trying to follow.
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I think the idea is form this, Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

No end to it. To limit it to this earth alone is to limit the increase. That being said, Isaiah 45 would not be negated if other worlds were to be populated. The population of another planet does not necessaarily mean the disoccupation of earth.

 

Besides, I know this man well, he would harldy have an issue with you if you disagreed with him on this extremely minor point.

 

I will say this, I cannot imagine the Lord employing any means to control the population since his stated purpose to Adam was to be fruitful and multiply. It doesn´t seem to suggest anywhere in the Bible that Adam´s race should only multiply until such time as there is no room

 

?????

 

God bless,

calvary
 

 

Perhaps I chose poor wording, but I was trying to be discreet. I'll just come out and say it though...by "control the population", I meant that we don't know how often ovulation would have occurred before sin. We just don't know.  There are many factors that could have changed due to the curse from sin entering into the world.

 

Moving into outer space seems far-fetched to me since the Bible says that earth is what God created to be inhabited. Again, we don't know what God's plan was...all that we can do is speculate...

 

Move to outerspace...or...

God would cause the earth to grow in size as the population grew...or...

Women only ovulated once a year, or ten years, or one hundred years, etc.

 

Anyway, I want you to know that I'm not arguing with you. Just explaining my position.

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That is an interesting thought. I've often noted that in many cases where Scripture tells us when a man's first child was born, they were a good many years old by then. Were maturity rates different then?

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Paul never taught that " belief or faith" on Jesus as "the Son of God" got anyone saved.

 

 We today are not required to believe Jesus is the Messiah as they were in the gospel writings.

 

Gentiles don't have Jesus as the Son of God or the Messiah (anointed one). When this "rightly divided" is done will there be any Jesus left? 

 

Can we deny part of Jesus? No, not if we are saved.

Mat 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Timothy 2:2

12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 
(That covers both ages)
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Ezekiel 14?

Is that the right chapter?

I'm sorry, but there is no prophecy of the coming kingdom in Ezekiel 14.
Perhaps you meant a different chapter?

I'm trying to follow.

Ezekiel 14:21-23 is a clear prophecy of the AD 70 destruction, and closely parallels Revelation 6:8
Compare the sealing in Ezekiel 9 with Revelation 7 also.

The time indicated by Revelation 1:1-3 is soon after the vision and before the destruction. Try reading with that understanding.
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That is an interesting thought. I've often noted that in many cases where Scripture tells us when a man's first child was born, they were a good many years old by then. Were maturity rates different then?

 

I don't know John...I was just speculating.

 

By the way, I'm not implying that I hold to any of those speculations that I mentioned. My point was, we just don't know what God's original plan was before sin entered the world.  

 

My personal view about there being "no end" to the Lord's kingdom just means that when the Lord becomes King, his kingdom will last forever.

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Gentiles don't have Jesus as the Son of God or the Messiah (anointed one). When this "rightly divided" is done will there be any Jesus left? 

 

Can we deny part of Jesus? No, not if we are saved.

Mat 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Timothy 2:2

12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 
(That covers both ages)

 

Does anyone get saved today because they believe Jesus is the Christ?  or the son of God? or the Messiah?

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Ezekiel 14?

Is that the right chapter?

I'm sorry, but there is no prophecy of the coming kingdom in Ezekiel 14.
Perhaps you meant a different chapter?

I'm trying to follow.

I am sorry it was the wrong book it is Zachariah 14

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Does anyone get saved today because they believe Jesus is the Christ?  or the son of God? or the Messiah?

 

 

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

If you wasn't saved by belief, how was you saved?

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So where would the population of earth ended if there had been no sin and no death coming into the world? after 6 or 7 thousand years we´d be piled up upon each other with no room at all.... sort of makes sense that God never intended to confine man to this earth alone.....

 

Genesis 3:16 (KJV)
16  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

 

In the beginning it was not intended for Eve to have conception nearly as often as after the fall.  Because of death, God greatly multiplied Eve's conception.  I believe the earth would not have experienced the population explosion you invision had their been no fall and death by sin.  Brothers and sisters born consecutively could be aged 100's of years apart.  

 

It will be interesting to know for sure when we get to heaven and are given perfect knowledge. 

 

Bro. Garry

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Does anyone get saved today because they believe Jesus is the Christ?  or the son of God? or the Messiah?

 

Jesus Christ IS the Messiah and Christ that saves anyone who believes in him with all their heart! Christ and Messiah mean the same thing!

Salvation is for those who believe! We are believers! Salvation is IN nothing else AND in no one else other than in the Lord Jesus Christ and what he 

accomplished on the cross in OUR place, as a sacrifice to fulfill ALL the sacrificial Law to purchase the forgiveness of sins for US, BY HIS suffering on

THAT very cross! We CAN'T DO anything to merit his sacrificial love, the greater love that no man could do, other than give HIS life for us!

 

Salvation for us ONLY comes BY BELIEF!!

 

He that hath the Son, hath life, he that hath not the Son of God, hath not life!

 

We believe and are sure that thou art the Christ, the Son of the LIVING GOD!

 

(oh yeah, hello!)

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Ezekiel 14:21-23 is a clear prophecy of the AD 70 destruction, and closely parallels Revelation 6:8
Compare the sealing in Ezekiel 9 with Revelation 7 also.

The time indicated by Revelation 1:1-3 is soon after the vision and before the destruction. Try reading with that understanding.



Rev. 6 is the lead up to the Resurrection/Wrath of God, at the end of the tribulation of those who
"Would be killed" for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus during the Trib, just as those waiting in Heaven for vengeance were killed.

Ezekiel 14 goes no further than the Captivity, that I see.

Death = pestilence?
Not a "clear" reference by any stretch.

What is clear, is the timetable in Rev.5-7.

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I apologize I put the wrong scripture reference in one of my post 143 please go back and reread it with the correct book and chapter Zachariah 14.

Ok, got it.

I see it as teaching the opposite of the renewal of sacrifice.

I see it as saying that everyone's own pot, in their own house, is now sacred, and everyone a priest, taking his priestly portion from his own pot.
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Ok, got it.

I see it as teaching the opposite of the renewal of sacrifice.

I see it as saying that everyone's own pot, in their own house, is now sacred, and everyone a priest, taking his priestly portion from his own pot.

I agree. It means, as far as I can see, that EVERYTHING is holy unto God in that time-not just the holy items in the temple, but ALL pots and bowls everywhere will be holy before the Lord, all set apart and anctified to the service of God. Interesting to note, as well, that upon the bells of the horses, it says HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, because horses were an unclean animal under the law, but here, even the horses are holy unto God.

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