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I've not listened to all of the 1st one yet. He gets Abram's origin incorrect. Its not Syria. 

Genesis 11:28,29,31

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur

 

So far very few Bible verses mostly commentary. One horrible story about jungle people eating, hit the fast forward while he tells that. I'm taking a break but I'll listen to more later. 

 

(weary warrior, I too believe the Bible teaches dispensations.)

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Biblically that doesn't work, but for some reason there are some who post here espousing various "gospels" with different means of salvation. Totally unbiblical, totally dangerous, totally a false teaching that shouldn't be tolerated.

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While everyone is free to reject the OP it was not my intention to win anyone over.  My intention is to inform you so you can better communicate on the subject. 

 

I don't agree with Charismatic unknown tongue speaking, prosperity theology, JW or Mormon doctrine but I studied in out and learned what they teach so I could better speak to them on it when the time came.

 

Yet when we were discussing Calvinism a while back you dived into that thread just to lambast us (namely me) for wanting to talk and learn about it, saying that a] the forum isn't pro-Calvinist and therefore the discussion ought to be taking place elsewhere, and b] studying the doctrines of men is a waste of time anyway, even if the goal is witnessing to adherents of said false doctrines.

 

Now, here, you are inviting folk to delve into a topic that many on the forum think is un-Biblical with the justification that if they do they can at least have more fruitful discussions with adherents. In other words exactly the two things that a while back you were speaking against doing.

 

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Baptists that do not believe in salvation by grace through faith? How does that even work?

 

As far as I can recall, everyone here believes in salvation by grace through faith...for today. Generally, there are some here who believe that works were required throughout history before Paul started going to Gentiles, and they also believe that works will be required during the Tribulation Period and the Millennium. There are also some here that believe baptism was a requirement to be saved BP (before Paul).

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Never heard of Pastor Blue but ain't that something. The born again world is a whole lot smaller than we think, isn't it

For sure - another neat thing is that he was Calvary's pastor as well.  But I never knew Calvary (at least, I don't think I did...).  We were there in the church when Pastor Blue's kids were teens and younger. Blast from the past hearing him!  :clapping:

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Biblically that doesn't work, but for some reason there are some who post here espousing various "gospels" with different means of salvation. Totally unbiblical, totally dangerous, totally a false teaching that shouldn't be tolerated.

There is only ONE Gospel for this Dispensation, the Dispensation of the Gospel of Grace, revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ.

It seems that you are "confused" and trying to "reinterpret" what others have said.

 

Now, wrongly dividing the Word will lead to confusion, as there are variations on gospels presented in other Dispensations.

Perhaps that is where your "confusion" originates?

 

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Eph 2:8-9

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There is only ONE Gospel for this Dispensation, the Dispensation of the Gospel of Grace, revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ.
It seems that you are "confused" and trying to "reinterpret" what others have said.
 
Now, wrongly dividing the Word will lead to confusion, as there are variations on gospels presented in other Dispensations.
Perhaps that is where your "confusion" originates?
 
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:8-9

Strange. Considering this dispensation started at Pentecost, what gospel were the Apostles preaching before Paul?
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For sure - another neat thing is that he was Calvary's pastor as well.  But I never knew Calvary (at least, I don't think I did...).  We were there in the church when Pastor Blue's kids were teens and younger. Blast from the past hearing him!  :clapping:

 

Pastor Ken Blue was born in Boswell, Ark. In 1955 he accepted Christ as his Savior. He and his wife Joyce have been married 58 years and have 5 children. He graduated from Midwestern Baptist Bible College in 1969 and started the Open Door Baptist Church in Lynnwood, Wa. where he pastored for 49 years. Because of health issues (ALS) he was forced to resign as pastor. It is his desire to continue to be used of God to help pastors and believers through this ministry.

 

If the Lord puts him in your mind say a little prayer for him. ALS is an awful way to die. Many people call it Lou Gehrig's Disease.

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Pastor Ken Blue was born in Boswell, Ark. In 1955 he accepted Christ as his Savior. He and his wife Joyce have been married 58 years and have 5 children. He graduated from Midwestern Baptist Bible College in 1969 and started the Open Door Baptist Church in Lynnwood, Wa. where he pastored for 49 years. Because of health issues (ALS) he was forced to resign as pastor. It is his desire to continue to be used of God to help pastors and believers through this ministry.

 

If the Lord puts him in your mind say a little prayer for him. ALS is an awful way to die. Many people call it Lou Gehrig's Disease.

We attended Open Door when they were only 3 years old.  Had the privilege of helping with the building of the church when it moved over to the current property.  Many, many good memories.  My dad had a bus route and mom helped him. I helped another route (the one that actually God used to get us going to the church).  My dad dearly loved Pastor Blue.  When my dad died, I contacted Pastor Blue, not sure if he remembered us (it's been over 30 years...). He did and sent a nice note and had one of his sons send us a picture they had of my dad working on the property. It was one my mom didn't even remember, so that was great.

 

It breaks my heart that he has ALS, but he is continuing to minister (although not pastor) while God allows him strength. He has an interesting blog.

 

His second son was between my older brother and me in age.  His son David was same age as my brother David.  David Blue and David White.  :biggrin:  

 

As I said, many good memories.

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Now, here, you are inviting folk to delve into a topic that many on the forum think is un-Biblical with the justification that if they do they can at least have more fruitful discussions with adherents. In other words exactly the two things that a while back you were speaking against doing.

Who are these "many on the forum" who think the OP topic is un-Biblical?

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Salvation was, is and will ever be by grace through faith. The Bible is very clear on that. Any other teaching is a false teaching and Scripture is clear as to who the father of lies is as well.

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Who are these "many on the forum" who think the OP topic is un-Biblical?

 

It was an assumption I made, IAC, based on having seen folk who in the past I've noticed represent pretty 'mainstream' IFB views (John81 being one) reject the OP on this and other threads. So I've assumed that in this area too their views are typical. I might be wrong about that, though. In any case, you can substitute 'many' for 'some' in that sentence if you wish and it doesn't change the point I was making.

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Strange. Considering this dispensation started at Pentecost, what gospel were the Apostles preaching before Paul?

The Gospel of the Kingdom.  To Paul was revealed the "mystery" of the Gospel of Grace.  Paul wasn't even saved until Acts 9.

 

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.  Mt 6:10

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Yet Scripture tells us that all who were, are and will be saved are saved by grace but you conveniently declare certain books and passages of Scripture to not apply, or only selectively apply them so as to fit your false, works-based view.

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There is only ONE Gospel for this Dispensation, the Dispensation of the Gospel of Grace, revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ.
It seems that you are "confused" and trying to "reinterpret" what others have said.
 
Now, wrongly dividing the Word will lead to confusion, as there are variations on gospels presented in other Dispensations.
Perhaps that is where your "confusion" originates?
 
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:8-9

  

Strange. Considering this dispensation started at Pentecost, what gospel were the Apostles preaching before Paul?

  

The Gospel of the Kingdom.  To Paul was revealed the "mystery" of the Gospel of Grace.  Paul wasn't even saved until Acts 9.
 
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.  Mt 6:10

So, is the Gospel of the kingdom different from the Gospel of grace? You are seriously confused. Read Ephesians 3:1-13 and you will see the Gospel Paul preached was the same as that revealed to the other Apostles.

The Gospel was always by grace, through faith, and gives entry into the kingdom. There never was, and never will be another Gospel. Acts 26:15-23.
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Be aware...not all here do agree with that. I do though.  :)

NIC that is where you have misunderstood.

 

Grace, Faith and works all play a part in every dispensation.  But only today the works come after grace and faith.  All other  dispensations of God's Grace came after Faith and Works.

 

i.e. God's word comes to Noah to build an ark,  Noah has faith in God's word, does the required work in the end he receives God's Grace salvation.

 

another example is Israel as a nation received God's Laws are told if they OBey they remained in the land.  At first Israel as a nation  believes God's word by faith and Keep the laws and they have god's grace peace and prosperity in the land.  Then later Israel as a nation stops having faith in god's word, they stop keeping the laws (work), and they are scattered from the land.

 

today you have faith in the gospel of God's grace, you have faith you receive salvation, you by the power of the Holy ghost given you do good works both spiritually and physically.

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I've not listened to all of the 1st one yet. He gets Abram's origin incorrect. Its not Syria. 

Genesis 11:28,29,31

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur

 

So far very few Bible verses mostly commentary. One horrible story about jungle people eating, hit the fast forward while he tells that. I'm taking a break but I'll listen to more later. 

 

(weary warrior, I too believe the Bible teaches dispensations.)

Remember God's word is correct and wikipedia is wrong.  Abraham sent his servant into his land to get a wife for Issac.

 

 Ge 25:20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.  Laban was the brother of Issac's wife

 De 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish [was] my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
 

this speaks both of Abraham and Issac and his son JacOB, they were Syrians

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Baptists that do not believe in salvation by grace through faith? How does that even work?

Today that is true.  by grace through faith gets you saved, no works lest a man would boast.

 

However it wasn't so with People before the cross.

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Yet when we were discussing Calvinism a while back you dived into that thread just to lambast us (namely me) for wanting to talk and learn about it, saying that a] the forum isn't pro-Calvinist and therefore the discussion ought to be taking place elsewhere, and b] studying the doctrines of men is a waste of time anyway, even if the goal is witnessing to adherents of said false doctrines.

 

Now, here, you are inviting folk to delve into a topic that many on the forum think is un-Biblical with the justification that if they do they can at least have more fruitful discussions with adherents. In other words exactly the two things that a while back you were speaking against doing.

 

(Edited to remove unwanted smiley invasion!)

go back and read my post it was not a lamblast.

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