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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Gen, we are discussing how RC traditions have infiltrated influence Baptist theology.  It has and I only give some easily seen ones.

 

say what you like. 

 

It doesn't make it any less true.

 

Did you go to "the house of God" today?

I met with the house of God today

 

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1Tim 3:15)

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Jewish Christians do when they talk to lost Jews. The new testament is rejected by the Jewish lost, so they use the old testament to prove Jesus was their Messiah. 

And of course, we must remember that while Jesus, the Messiah, was promised to Israel, He was prmise long before there were any children of Israel, or and Jews or Hebrews. He was forst promised to Adam and Eve, later to Abraham, etc. He was technically first promised to Gentiles. To continue to insist there was some special gospel just to the Jews is silly.

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No one not even Jews are saved today by believing Jesus is the Messiah. Not one mention by Paul that one MUST believe he is the Christ, or that he is the Messiah, or that he is the Son of God.  Believing that Jesus is the Messiah for salvation would bring a curse upon those who preach it and those who accept that false condition for salvation would remain under the sin curse, which is "Eze 18:20a The soul that sinneth, it shall die."

 

Gal 1:7-9 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.   But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.   As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

They must believe That Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins.  The key is died on the cross for their sins, was buried and rose on the third day.  All men today are saved this way.

 

1Cor 15:1-4 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.   For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

Anyone, who rejects the gospel of the grace of God for Salvation by the substitutionary death of Christ on the Cross or adds to this gospel that they MUST believe that Jesus is the Messiah, is not saved. 

 

 1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 1Cor 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

 

This is far from easy believism. 

 

It would seem anyone who preaches that a person must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah or the son of God to be saved is the real easy believism Gospel for there is no preaching of the cross in that message.

 

 

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The Christ
Mat 16:15  He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 
16  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 
17  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 
18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 
19  And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 
 
The confession - that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, is what Jesus would build His church upon.
 
Joh 4:42  And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. 
(See Messiah below)
 
1Jn_5:1  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 
 
 
 
Messias (Messiah)
Joh 4:25  The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 
26  Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. 
27  And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her? 
28  The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, 
29  Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ? 
 
 
Believe that He is the Son of God.
 
Joh_3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 
 
Joh 9:35  Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 
36  He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 
37  And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 
38  And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. 
 
Joh 11:27  She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. 
 
Joh_20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. 
 
Act_8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 
 
Act_9:20  And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. (Saul preaching here).
 
Rom 1:3  Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 
4  And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 
5  By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for OBedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 
6  Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 
 
2Co_1:19  For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. 
 
1Jn_4:15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 
 
1Jn_5:5  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 
 
1Jn_5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 
 
You will note that Jesus, John, Philip, and yes, even Saul (Paul) used these terms in relation to salvation.
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Anyone, who rejects the gospel of the grace of God for Salvation by the substitutionary death of Christ on the Cross or adds to this gospel that they MUST believe that Jesus is the Messiah, is not saved. 

 

I've not heard any of the regular folk on this forum say anything along the lines of the Gospel not including Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, so I wonder who you have in mind for the first part of your sentence, AVBB.

 

As for the second part (and this is for others, not you, AVBB--see below), I do actually have some sympathy for this view. For example, if a person must know that Jesus is the Son of God, then how correct must their Christology be before it is enough? Let's say that a person's understanding of 'Son of God' is very basic: they believe that Jesus is God in a way they don't fully understand, but they can't describe the exact nature of Jesus as the second person of the Trinity, nor have they considered what this means for His pre-existence. Would such a person know too little to be saved?

 

On the flipside, doesn't a person have to have at least some inkling of who Jesus was, i.e. His divinity? For example, if a person believes that Jesus died and rose again for our sins, but they also think that 'Jesus' was the name of a giraffe that the romans were keeping at a zoo in Jerusalem, and that it was this 'Jesus' that got crucified at Calvary, can it really be said that they understand the Gospel?

 

By the way, AVBB, before you reply to the second and third paras by accusing me of 'sophism' because I include hypotheticals, let me just say that those questions are for others on this forum.

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But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, and that believing ye might have life through His name. John 20:31

What Jesus was John speaking of in that verse? Certainly not a giraffe in a zoo!

He was speaking of "the Christ","the Messiah", the Only begotten Son of God, the Lamb of God sent from Heaven to die for the sins of the world. One cannot be saved by believing on another Jesus. One must believe on the one who the Bible said will crush the head of the serpent; the one who would be born of a virgin, died on a cross and rose again.

In other words, one must believe in the Jesus of the Bible, the only Way to the Father, or one cannot be saved.

The solution? Preach the true Jesus in your witnessing to the lost, not a fairy tale Jesus that has no power to save.

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"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12.

 

"That is thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved...for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."  Romans 10:10, 13

 

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God...For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world...who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God...He that believeth on the Son of God hat the witness in himself...and this is the record, that God hath given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son...these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of Godl that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

Salvation is through Christ.  One has to recognize that Christ is the Son of God in order to be saved.  The CROSS is not in itself enough.  It is WHO DIED ON THAT CROSS that makes all the difference.  Many people died on crosses in that time period.  But only ONE was the Son of God. Only ONE brought salvation through His name.

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"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12.

 

"That is thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved...for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."  Romans 10:10, 13

 

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God...For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world...who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God...He that believeth on the Son of God hat the witness in himself...and this is the record, that God hath given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son...these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of Godl that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

Salvation is through Christ.  One has to recognize that Christ is the Son of God in order to be saved.  The CROSS is not in itself enough.  It is WHO DIED ON THAT CROSS that makes all the difference.  Many people died on crosses in that time period.  But only ONE was the Son of God. Only ONE brought salvation through His name.

we weren't talking about believing in or on the name of Jesus.  I don't know how many times I must say it.

 

What was laid forth was that some believe.  that one must believe he is the Messiah to get saved, or that he is the Son of God or the Christ.  None of which save.

 

Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah and the son of God but faith in that he those things does not save.

 

What saves is belief in the gospel of the Grace of God revealed to Paul, that Christ died a substitutionary death for mine/your sins, was buried and rose again.  Faith that his work on the cross is what saves today.

 

Not faith alone that he is the Messiah.

 

Would you go a tell people today just believe Jesus in the Christ and you are born again? Nothing more nothing less.  is that the gospel of Grace?

 

I can't believe that you would say the Cross is not enough.  Paul said it was, he said the cross is foolishness to those who are lost.

 

the cross is what saves.  Not the wood, the work that was done on it by Jesus Christ. He Died for your sins that is enough sister for anyone to believe and be saved

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we weren't talking about believing in or on the name of Jesus.  I don't know how many times I must say it.

 

What was laid forth was that some believe.  that one must believe he is the Messiah to get saved, or that he is the Son of God or the Christ.  None of which save.

 

Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah and the son of God but faith in that he those things does not save.

 

What saves is belief in the gospel of the Grace of God revealed to Paul, that Christ died a substitutionary death for mine/your sins, was buried and rose again.  Faith that his work on the cross is what saves today.

 

Not faith alone that he is the Messiah.

 

Would you go a tell people today just believe Jesus in the Christ and you are born again? Nothing more nothing less.  is that the gospel of Grace?

 

I can't believe that you would say the Cross is not enough.  Paul said it was, he said the cross is foolishness to those who are lost.

 

the cross is what saves.  Not the wood, the work that was done on it by Jesus Christ. He Died for your sins that is enough sister for anyone to believe and be saved

 

What did Jesus do while under the title of Christ or Messiah?

That is your answer AVBB.

 

We teach Christ, and him crucified, just like Paul said.

 

Believing with all your heart in Jesus Christ includes everything he did to save us!

Isn't that plain by what every person posting here has said?

 

We have believed in Jesus as the Christ and everything he did as the Christ and Messiah.

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There is no Jesus without Christ, no Christ without Jesus-He is both, they are one and the same. We don't have to have perfect knowledge of everything about Christ, but we do need to know Jesus is Christ. His entire earthly ministry, His miracles, were to prove that He was the Messiah, the Christ. How, then, can we set that fact aside as important. It was important enough to Jesus to o an awful lot to prove that He was Him.

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You all are silly.  You have fabricated things out of thin air.

 

I never said that Jesus was not the Christ or the messiah or the son of God.  You all have ignored what was said and went into a tail spin from which you are not recovering from.

 

Jesus is the Christ, he is the Messiah, and he is the son of God but faith in those things in and of themselves do not save anyone today.

 

Only faith on his cross saves.  That he died for our sins and was buried, and rose the third day.  that is the gospel of the grace of God

 

For those who think his cross is not enough need to meditate on this

 

1Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

Paul could care less about those other things, to him the most important thing was to know Jesus Christ and Him crucified.  that is how important the cross is.

 

I never said there was not salvation in or on Jesus Name (as long as the cross is there) but without the cross there is not salvation.  I am still wondering how intelligent people can read into a post what is not there.

 

The gospel of the grace of God is in the cross of Jesus Christ alone.  And we are not talking about the pieces of wood either.  You are all mature people and know exactly what the term the "cross" means.  The substitutionary Death for our sins, the burial and resurrection that is what you must have faith in.  Faith in him being the Christ, the Messiah or the Son of God will not save you.  Your salvation is by grace through faith in his work of the cross, plane and simple.  You may know he is those things and holds those titles but those do not save. 

 

It is faith in his cross that saves.

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What did Jesus do while under the title of Christ or Messiah?

That is your answer AVBB.

 

We teach Christ, and him crucified, just like Paul said.

 

Believing with all your heart in Jesus Christ includes everything he did to save us!

Isn't that plain by what every person posting here has said?

 

We have believed in Jesus as the Christ and everything he did as the Christ and Messiah.

 

Ahem!

 

 

You all are silly.  You have fabricated things out of thin air.

 

I never said that Jesus was not the Christ or the messiah or the son of God.  You all have ignored what was said and went into a tail spin from which you are not recovering from.

 

Jesus is the Christ, he is the Messiah, and he is the son of God but faith in those things in and of themselves do not save anyone today.

 

Only faith on his cross saves.  That he died for our sins and was buried, and rose the third day.  that is the gospel of the grace of God

 

For those who think his cross is not enough need to meditate on this

 

1Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

Paul could care less about those other things, to him the most important thing was to know Jesus Christ and Him crucified.  that is how important the cross is.

 

I never said there was not salvation in or on Jesus Name (as long as the cross is there) but without the cross there is not salvation.  I am still wondering how intelligent people can read into a post what is not there.

 

The gospel of the grace of God is in the cross of Jesus Christ alone.  And we are not talking about the pieces of wood either.  You are all mature people and know exactly what the term the "cross" means.  The substitutionary Death for our sins, the burial and resurrection that is what you must have faith in.  Faith in him being the Christ, the Messiah or the Son of God will not save you.  Your salvation is by grace through faith in his work of the cross, plane and simple.  You may know he is those things and holds those titles but those do not save. 

 

It is faith in his cross that saves.

 

Please read the one up there on top please?

We are saying the same thing here!

 

And no, I am not yelling! I just want you to see what I said!

 

This is plain, normal, everyday scriptural knowledge, of the believer, from the scriptures.

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Hold on a minute here.

 

Didn't Jesus (the Christ and Messiah by the way.) die on that cross

(the cross you say is more important than believing in who was on that cross)

In the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?

 

You remember, the books you say are only for the Jews?

 

How does this balance out?

 

Why would Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, point to Gentiles something that only applies to the Jews, and glory in that old cross?

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1Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

 

this tells me that Paul etermine to know not just Jesus crucified, but Jesus CHRIST an him crucified. Just some guy named Y'shuah being hung on a cross isn't going to do anything for us. But Y'shuah the promised One, the anointed One, the promised Messiah of God, crucified, well, that's a horse of a different color.

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In the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?

 

You remember, the books you say are only for the Jews?

 

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (for the most part) were written as a record of Jesus ministry to the Jews.

Romans 15:8  Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God,

to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: (ie: Abraham, Isaac, JacOB, etc.).

 

All scripture is profitable, but all scripture is not written specifically to the Body of Christ. (2 Tim 3:16 + 2 Tim 2:15)

Those who believe that they are "spiritual Israel" believe that all scripture is written to them, as they have replaced Israel.

If you take this position, you must accept all "blessings" to Israel in the Old Testament, as applying to you, as well as the CURSES.

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You do realize that apart from one OBvious example, there is no one on this site who is a replacement theologist?
There are a couple of others who are doubtful, but the overwhelming majority on here are not.
It is good to see that you have changed your false accusation form of attack though.... not calling anyone who disagrees with you a Catholic - now they are a replacement theologist.......

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