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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...


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She was shock to see two girls kissing. I told her, now you will see the true public schools and the lost at work. Practice now what you have learned in the Christian schools and home, for the US is now turning from God. For what is bad now is good, and the good for them is bad. Find the right friends, for when you attend college you will do well and not be shocked of what is going on around you, for we are living in trouble time. Thanks you for sharing this with me, I told her, you will be much smarter than me. :)

 

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Some members here act like if my teens will pay the price, you will remember my words? They said, and I believe they are a bit to extreme. The public schools do have prOBlems, but there are also benefits in my opinion. 

 

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Support and some understanding, sounds good to me. I am surprise to some of the replys here. I am sending my kids to a evil place are not the right words or true. For not all of them are the same. They are not going to hang out with trouble makers or evil doers. For they are Saved and baptized. 

You ask for support and understanding, however, in your first post, you don't mention why you decided to send your daughter to public school, you just mention she is now going and she is shocked at seeing two girls kissing, and that's why people are responding the way they are. I'm glad you told her she's now going to be seeing the true face of public schools, because believe me, she will be seeing worse once summer school is over and real school begins. You need to prepare her for that.

 

I'd really like to know how you know 100% sure your children will not hang out with trouble makers or evil doers just because they are saved and baptized. When I was in public school I made friends with a girl and while hanging out with her I began questioning the things I learned from my parents and church. She was not goth, gay, a witch, new-agey, or anything else extreme. She was friendly happy type person who at one point told me she was a Christian. But she made me question my faith. It wasn't until I left the public school and was home schooled that I realized how much she had affected me. I have no doubt that if I had stayed there longer, I would've become a rebellious teenager, destroyed my relationship with my parents, and prOBably would not be a missionary today. 

 

Why don't you explain why you feel you need to send your daughter to public school over both home school and Christian school. How is it better and more beneficial for her? And please leave belittling words out of it. I'm trying to have patience and understanding your viewpoint, but it's really difficult when you keep throwing around insults whenever someone tries to explain home schooling to you. 

 

I've already explained in my first post that I don't think public schools are 'evil', however, God's plan for a child's education begins at the home. If that is truly not possible, then Christian schooling, and public schools as a last resort. 

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Support and some understanding, sounds good to me. I am surprise to some of the replys here. I am sending my kids to a evil place are not the right words or true. For not all of them are the same. They are not going to hang out with trouble makers or evil doers. For they are Saved and baptized.

 

1. I am not going to support something I do not believe in and what I have found to most often be the worst choice of all educational options.

 

2. Perhaps you are seeing a group of people who do understand...many from personal experience, but you are not willing to accept their council because it goes against what you have chosen.

 

3. Since when has being saved and baptized kept someone from feeling the attacks of the devil. It is usually at the time of salvation that Satan goes onto the offensive. He will do so with subtlety through those one may call friend, but none the less they will still lead a Christian astray. And beware what the school requires your child to read. You may be surprised what smut passes for literature these days. 

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You are adding to my post, hicks? Did you ever here of country folks and city folks. You added hicks not me.

Because that was the insinuation. Yes, I've heard of country and city folks, and have lived in both. Your unspoken message was that homeschoolers are hicks, whether or not you intended it.  Hence, my warning to stop.  

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You ask for support and understanding, however, in your first post, you don't mention why you decided to send your daughter to public school, you just mention she is now going and she is shocked at seeing two girls kissing, and that's why people are responding the way they are. I'm glad you told her she's now going to be seeing the true face of public schools, because believe me, she will be seeing worse once summer school is over and real school begins. You need to prepare her for that.

 

I'd really like to know how you know 100% sure your children will not hang out with trouble makers or evil doers just because they are saved and baptized. When I was in public school I made friends with a girl and while hanging out with her I began questioning the things I learned from my parents and church. She was not goth, gay, a witch, new-agey, or anything else extreme. She was friendly happy type person who at one point told me she was a Christian. But she made me question my faith. It wasn't until I left the public school and was home schooled that I realized how much she had affected me. I have no doubt that if I had stayed there longer, I would've become a rebellious teenager, destroyed my relationship with my parents, and prOBably would not be a missionary today. 

 

Why don't you explain why you feel you need to send your daughter to public school over both home school and Christian school. How is it better and more beneficial for her? And please leave belittling words out of it. I'm trying to have patience and understanding your viewpoint, but it's really difficult when you keep throwing around insults whenever someone tries to explain home schooling to you. 

 

I've already explained in my first post that I don't think public schools are 'evil', however, God's plan for a child's education begins at the home. If that is truly not possible, then Christian schooling, and public schools as a last resort. 

 

 

This is a very good reply, and normal to my post.

 

1.My kids have been in Christians schools for almost 10 years

 

2.The cost are high for them to continue.

 

3. My wife have college and was a senior accountant, before, but now is disable.

 

4. She does not want to home school, while I work..

 

5.i believe they are some what prepare to deal with the real World.

 

6.i don't like online christian schools, it not the same thing.

 

7.When they grow up and start to work, it will be much easier for them to deal with the real World, that we are living in.

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I am not sure, what I am doing is 100 percent.right, but none of us are. Your kids can do very bad, where ever they go to school. Can your daughter get pregnant in a christian school or being home school?  Yes   

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Question for you, TGL - have you spent time praying about it?  Have you searched God's Word for support?  Or is it just a decision based on the 7 points above (which, I will have to say: #7 is totally untrue...kids that I know that are homeschooled [and, believe me, I know a whole lot] and kids who have remained in Christian school throughout their education are much better equipped to "deal with the real world")?

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Question for you, TGL - have you spent time praying about it?  Have you searched God's Word for support?  Or is it just a decision based on the 7 points above (which, I will have to say: #7 is totally untrue...kids that I know that are homeschooled [and, believe me, I know a whole lot] and kids who have remained in Christian school throughout their education are much better equipped to "deal with the real world")?

 

If I prayed enough about it?  Not enough, men have this prOBlem. 

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It would have made allot more sense TGL if you are experimenting with you kids to have put them in public school till 5th or 6th grade and then Christian or Home.

 

What you are doing here is relying on their childhood professions of faith as solid. Rarely are they at these years, young kids believe what the parents believe and do what they think will please their parents. Once they hit 12 or 13, they form their own opinions which will not be yours. In this case they will form the worlds opinions. They will be immersed in the world now. 8 hours a day and you nor your church will be able to compete with that.

 

Since you are gambling with the world, all I can say is "good luck"

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Very true LuAnne. Point 7 is way off.

 

Also very true that being much in prayer and in the Word is of highest importance.

 

We have to remember that very often doing the right thing, OBeying the Lord, is much more difficult from our limited perspective than doing something else. Even so, doing what God says is always best.

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It would have made allot more sense TGL if you are experimenting with you kids to have put them in public school till 5th or 6th grade and then Christian or Home.

 

What you are doing here is relying on their childhood professions of faith as solid. Rarely are they at these years, young kids believe what the parents believe and do what they think will please their parents. Once they hit 12 or 13, they form their own opinions which will not be yours. In this case they will form the worlds opinions. They will be immersed in the world now. 8 hours a day and you nor your church will be able to compete with that.

 

Since you are gambling with the world, all I can say is "good luck"

 

 

 

Thanks, I know this, and I know that you don't believe in luck. When you say good luck. For we as christian don't believe in good luck, but Gods will.

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If I prayed enough about it?  Not enough, men have this prOBlem. 

Then you ought not do it...enough prayer would allow God to show you that man's logic is not the way to go with this.  Again, it's your decision, but don't be surprised or affronted at the strong reaction against it here. To use man's fallibility as an excuse is inexcusable.

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Then you ought not do it...enough prayer would allow God to show you that man's logic is not the way to go with this. Again, it's your decision, but don't be surprised or affronted at the strong reaction against it here. To use man's fallibility as an excuse is inexcusable.




I will go one day at a time. Remember that there are thousands of Christians sending their kids to a public school, and you are telling them the same thing.
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I will go one day at a time. Remember that there are thousands of Christians sending their kids to a public school, and you are telling them the same thing.

Nope. This conversation it with you, not the thousands of Christians.  Again, it's your decision. But a decision not bathed in prayer has disaster written all over it from the start - regardless of what it's about !

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Nope. This conversation it with you, not the thousands of Christians. Again, it's your decision. But a decision not bathed in prayer has disaster written all over it from the start - regardless of what it's about !


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Judge Judy... :)

Judge Judy would prOBably be a lot harsher.  You know, TGL, you started this thread. And I believe you started it because you knew the majority of members would not support it.  And you wanted conflict.  You've already been warned once in this thread.  Now you've been warned twice (which is your third warning overall). And you know what three strikes means...

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Okay....so I was in public school as a young kid...then in traditional Christian school....then briefly homeschooled, then in a Christian ACE school.   Then I went to school for secondary ed, and have taught five years in various Christian schools.  I have also known a few people in various public schools in more modern times.   My thoughts:

 

1.  If you can avoid public school these days, you should.  Reasons being:  evolution taught, gay agenda taught, English NOT being taught, math standards being reduced, sex and drugs rampant.   When we get public school kids transferred into Christian school, they cannot keep up with the English or Math classes being taught....far below grade level.   I recently chatted with my cousins, who are honors students in their local public school, and they have no clue how to pick apart a sentence in English and tell what the function of each word is, and they haven't had spelling since elementary school.   I recently visited a church that used a different version of the Bible (I was visiting family) and I was able to mentally diagram a few of the verses in my head and pick out differences in the versions that someone who didn't have a good grasp of the English language would never be able to do, to cite one example of why English is still important.  Oh and my honors cousins cannot read very much if written in cursive.   HOWEVER some people cannot afford to homeschool or put their kids in Christian school.  If that is the case, then pray a lot, and spend a lot of time balancing out the filth of public school by having an extra strong family and church life.

 

2.  Christian school is good, and is our choice.  However you cannot lower your guard...lots of filth in Chrisitian school too.  However at least there you end up, usually anyway, with a bit higher quality education, and the social interaction and sports that you would want for your child.  You still need to be vigilant...my kids have learned more from other "Christian" kids than I would prefer they would have learned.

 

3.  Homeschool works for many, not optimal for everyone.   We are choosing to homeschool this coming year for the first time ever, for our youngest, for second grade, using ABeka video.   I'm nervous, but our youngest needs extra attention and is floundering and discouraged in traditional school.    We are hoping to get him caught up for a year or two at home, with the goal of putting him back into school once his test results get more on grade level, and his social ability matures some.   Our oldest three, however, are going to attend Christian school as long as we can, unless something happens with the school (which they are in turmoil this year, big administration changes coming.)

 

 

Schooling is a very personal choice, and the judgement calls really cannot be made by anyone but God.   However, parenting is the responsibility of the parents and not the school, so if a child gets into sin, the fault is the parents AND the child...not the school.  But I firmly believe personally that I should help my child as much as possible by keeping them out of the public school environment.  Plus, the educational quality I'm seeing coming out of public school is NOT good at all, and common core is lowering standards even further IMO.   I'm going to guess that an "honors" student from a public school would struggle with the "regular" classes in many Christian schools.

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