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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...


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You can't seem to get past the word 'isolate', you keep saying it over and over. There is a difference between shielding your children from the worldly influences that surround them daily and isolating them from even glimpsing the outside world. Responsible parents do NOT isolate their children. If you go back to before the threads got derailed, you can read several answers that have already addressed this in detail. Most are on the first page, my post was #17.

If the Christian school your children were in was no different than a public school, then maybe you did the right thing pulling them out. However, you did them a dis-service by not even considering home school before placing them in the public school. Public school should always be the last option, not the first or second.

I encourage you to look into home school groups in your area and talk to the parents about the pros and cons of home schooling, ask for any advice, etc. You have the rest of the summer to figure this out. Take your time and so some proper research.

If you insist on keeping your children in public school, then I encourage you to get involved with any after school program they're involved with, attend every parent-teacher conference, look at every single one of their text books, examine their home work, and if anything is contrary to God's Word, sit your children down and explain why it's contrary and what they should do about it.

And just in case you missed what I said earlier:

Home school is NOT ISOLATION!


You keep going back to home schooling? Do all of you live in the country, In the city you run into all different kind of people. Some dress well, and some do not. Are you going to keep your kid's away from society for ever.
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You keep going back to home schooling? Do all of you live in the country, In the city you run into all different kind of people. Some dress well, and some do not. Are you going to keep your kid's away from society for ever.

 

You are implying AGAIN that our children NEVER go into society.

 

Why?

 

It has been stated over and over that our children are just as sociable as anyone, yet kept from sin.

 

Is protection of the morals and spiritual welfare of our children NOT important?

 

Would you go into a 'porno' theater to see a good preview on a Disney cartoon?

No, for the witness of someone (like your children) seeing you 'possibly' going to see a 'porno' film.

You wouldn't want your children see you supposedly participating in what appeared to them to be sin, would you?

Wouldn't that make them feel different toward you and toward sin, thinking it being ok if Dad did it?

When the childs mind perceives society doing sin in the open, it corrupts the innocency into questions.

 

We do not want our children seeing things that can corrupt their innocent minds, and it is our jOB to keep them safe, until they have the strength to do it on their own.

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Indeed, it's the difference between being IN the world and OF the world. We live IN the world but we don't have to be OF the world. If we choose to allow the world (public schools) instruct and example for our children then we are helping them to be OF the world.

 

There is absolutely no comparison between see or hearing something when going shopping and spending 8 hours a day each weekday for the majority of weeks a year being taught the things of the world, having worldly examples set continually before the eye and having God completely left out of it all, or denigrated.

 

A closer example may be the difference between walking by a zoo where one may have to see and smell some of what's there, and actually being caged with the animals where it will be impossible not to see the stuff continually and have the smell permeate you inside and out; all while risking permanent injury or worse.

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You keep going back to home schooling? Do all of you live in the country, In the city you run into all different kind of people. Some dress well, and some do not. Are you going to keep your kid's away from society for ever.

 

Please review my posts in this thread and tell me how I have kept my children from society. I have not. In fact my children and many of the homeshooled children in my church have prOBably seen more of REAL society than most of the children in your precious public schools. The difference is I do not let your precious society have my children unbridled for 7 - 8 hours a day. If you you want to cast your pearls before the swine every day for eight unfiltered hours of slop at the societal trough then have at it. 

 

Ephesians 5:1-21 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disOBedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

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I don't know why I get limited to just a few 'likes', but I like the comment from 282Mikado, and earlier today these exact verses came to my mind as I was meditating upon OB and this thread.

 

 

Please review my posts in this thread and tell me how I have kept my children from society. I have not. In fact my children and many of the homeshooled children in my church have prOBably seen more of REAL society than most of the children in your precious public schools. The difference is I do not let your precious society have my children unbridled for 7 - 8 hours a day. If you you want to cast your pearls before the swine every day for eight unfiltered hours of slop at the societal trough then have at it. 

 

Ephesians 5:1-21 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disOBedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

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TGL, your last post bordered on being pretty insulting, insinuating that homeschoolers are just country hicks. That's enough of that, my friend.


You are adding to my post, hicks? Did you ever here of country folks and city folks. You added hicks not me.
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You keep going back to home schooling? Do all of you live in the country, In the city you run into all different kind of people. Some dress well, and some do not. Are you going to keep your kid's away from society for ever.

I live in the city. My neighbors worship idols. In public. At least once a month almost every business has a little table set up in the front full of food sacrifice with ghost money burning in front of it that people have to walk by in order to go into the store. I am IN the world constantly, every time I step outside. I do not hide from it. I am not OF the world, I do not participate in the idol worship. In the public schools here they are indoctrinated with idolatry from kindergarten to high school. It's not much different from American public schools were they are indoctrinated with evolution and such. 

 

I do not think you are reading our posts with the intention of learning. You have already made up your mind that home schooling is bad and public school is best and will not budge.

 

The reason I/we keep bringing up home schooling is because the topic of the post is about you putting your daughter into public schools, so we have brought up other schooling options, which you continue to insult and degrade. Why did you start this thread if you don't want to hear the advice?

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I live in the city. My neighbors worship idols. In public. At least once a month almost every business has a little table set up in the front full of food sacrifice with ghost money burning in front of it that people have to walk by in order to go into the store. I am IN the world constantly, every time I step outside. I do not hide from it. I am not OF the world, I do not participate in the idol worship. In the public schools here they are indoctrinated with idolatry from kindergarten to high school. It's not much different from American public schools were they are indoctrinated with evolution and such.

I do not think you are reading our posts with the intention of learning. You have already made up your mind that home schooling is bad and public school is best and will not budge.

The reason I/we keep bringing up home schooling is because the topic of the post is about you putting your daughter into public schools, so we have brought up other schooling options, which you continue to insult and degrade. Why did you start this thread if you don't want to hear the advice?



I am listening, but some do should a bit extreme. Like, you will be sorry or remember my words?
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I don't understand the question. Can you elaborate?


Some members here act like if my teens will pay the price, you will remember my words? They said, and I believe they are a bit to extreme. The public schools do have prOBlems, but there are also benefits in my opinion.
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Some members here act like if my teens will pay the price, you will remember my words? They said, and I believe they are a bit to extreme. The public schools do have prOBlems, but there are also benefits in my opinion.

 

Sounds like you misunderstand the warnings I and the rest on here are trying to convey to you TGL.

 

We would be pretty sorry Christians if we did not warn you first from the Bible and then from our (or maybe just my) past experience. I know what will happen with your kids my friend and you will hate that you failed them in this way years from now.

 

But, it is your business, why post it here thus making it everybody's. Were you hoping for some support??

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Are the ways of the world more beneficial than God's ways?

We must never compromise our Christian values for what may seem right (beneficial) in our own eyes.




Which ways are Gods way, home school or Christian schools?
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Which ways are Gods way, home school or Christian schools?

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

It is the parents responsibility to train up his child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.  God's Word tells us not to learn the ways of the heathen.  So, really this should be a no-brainer.  The public schools, as LI pointed out earlier, teach evolution and other ungodly morals and principles such as homosexuality, hatred of God, etc.

And if so-called "Christian" schools are teaching contrary to the Bible, they have no right calling themselves "Christian" and your children don't need to be exposed to them either.

Why submit your growing child to such ungodly doctirine?

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Sounds like you misunderstand the warnings I and the rest on here are trying to convey to you TGL.

We would be pretty sorry Christians if we did not warn you first from the Bible and then from our (or maybe just my) past experience. I know what will happen with your kids my friend and you will hate that you failed them in this way years from now.

But, it is your business, why post it here thus making it everybody's. Were you hoping for some support??




Support and some understanding, sounds good to me. I am surprise to some of the replys here. I am sending my kids to a evil place are not the right words or true. For not all of them are the same. They are not going to hang out with trouble makers or evil doers. For they are Saved and baptized.
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Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

It is the parents responsibility to train up his child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. God's Word tells us not to learn the ways of the heathen. So, really this should be a no-brainer. The public schools, as LI pointed out earlier, teach evolution and other ungodly morals and principles such as homosexuality, hatred of God, etc.

And if so-called "Christian" schools are teaching contrary to the Bible, they have no right calling themselves "Christian" and your children don't need to be exposed to them either.

Why submit your growing child to such ungodly doctirine?



They already have and are receiving true doctoring at home and church.
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