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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...


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I'm praying right now Wretched that God open your eyes and reveal what He has shown me, bro, Jesus is so wonderful, His Grace, His Love, His Mercy!!!!

and where does Wretched say that he doesn't acknowledge Christs, Love, Grace and Mercy? Doctrine of Separation does not mean one doesn't engage the culture for Christ. You're false dichotomies fail again. Please stick to topic.

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Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

 

Deuteronomy 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. (See also Deut. 11:9)

 

It is clear from these and other verses that we as parents are directly responsible for teaching our children in the way they should go…diligently. This is not a part time jOB, but a 24/7 jOB. When we sit, walk, lie down, or rise up we are to be training our children in the way they should go.

 

It can be successfully argued that when the words of the Bible were penned it was a much simpler time and the educational requirements were not nearly as complex, but I can just as successfully argue that God gave to us His word in the pages of the Bible and His words are timeless. They are just as relevant today as they were at the time of Moses.

If we send our children to a Public School we are releasing them from our influence in their training and placing them under some other influence for at least 7 – 8 hours per school day. When we do this, we are giving our endorsement of that institution to our children. We may list a few caveats and provisos, but to a child what they see and hear first and foremost is that Mom and Dad want me to go to that place and learn. They want me to get good grades so I must learn well everything that institution requires.

 

Everything that school teaches (as fact or theory) is not going to be under the guidelines of Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

In fact, I would argue a large percentage of what they are taught may lean in an opposite or, at least, variant direction. And that is just what they get from the school establishment. Then there is the teaching that goes on outside the teachers’ influence. Regardless how well our children are a picking friends there is still going to be some pretty strong negative influences impacting their lives, and while they are away from home they don’t have mom and dad right there to help them through these trials. Peer pressure can be an awfully powerful influence in a young person’s life.

 

Then there is the bullying. This is becoming increasingly more prevalent in schools today. A lady in our church HAD to pull her son out of school (he’s 13) because he was daily being bullied for his faith. It was so bad he was completely unable to cope. She’s a single mom so she thought homeschooling was not possible, but desperate times… He is now being homeschooled by another mom that homeschools her own as well.

 

It is interesting to note that homeschoolers excel far above their public school peers in every area, including socialization, and outperform them in college as well. The following is an article I’m sure the liberal Huffington Post hated placing in its pages:

 

Homeschooled Students Well-Prepared For College, Study Finds

 

It was not difficult to find articles that pointed to studies from both the US and Canada that showed how Home-school students out perform the Public Schools in every area from Grade Point Average to Communication, Maturity, and even socialization. I also found that it did not matter if the parents were certified teachers or not. The average home-schooler scores in the 87th percentile on annual assessment tests: 30% higher than the Public School average.

 

Train up a child in the way he should go. Their daily instruction should be imbued with whatsoever things things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report. things filled with virtue, and worthy of praise.

 

The Public School system is moving further and further from these values, and in many cases are directly opposed and make a mockery of Christian values. The only option a Christian parent has in such a case is to do damage control when the child gets home. How confusing that must be for the child.

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There's been a mass exodus by the homeschooling community in our area...many families have put their high-school aged children in the public high-schools around here.

 

The general excuse is that they can't teach them the higher level subjects. I'll be honest, and it may draw the ire of some, but I think it's nothing more than laziness on the part of the parents in most of these cases in my area.  I say most cases, because I don't know everyone's situation. Anyway, I think it's laziness and selfishness on the part of the parents...if they were honest, they would admit that they do this to make their own lives easier.

 

We know of several who are already regretting it, but we in particular know of one girl who was put in public high school, and her parents can't undo what she willingly allowed to be done to her. These same parents now regret it; however, they are what I call "late-blooming Calvinists"...they haven't always been Calvinists but have become Calvinists within the last several years...so their TULIP took a while to bloom. Anyway, they rationalize this sad situation away as it was all part of God's plan, and his plan for her life will still come to fruition despite their mistakes and hers.

 

I didn't mean to turn this into a Calvinism thread; I was just using that situation to show that people will still find a way to justify their putting a child in public school regardless of the possible outcome...and when the outcome turns bad, they still justify it (despite their regrets) and blame it on God since "it was all part of God's plan".

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Yes it's sad to see children tossed into the devils den, most often out of expediency, laziness, caving in to the world and such like.

 

There are so many options today for homeschoolers that if there is a true will and desire to homeschool, even when it comes to higher level classes and such, it can be done.

 

Too often I see parents toss their children to the world and the devil in these public schools for the sake of sports or other extra-curricular activities; including things like dating and proms!

 

Once the damage is done it can't be undone.

 

I've watched many children who were fully homeschooled and involved in a good church their whole life who then go on to productive activities, such as college, jOB or career, and their solid 18 years of grounding in the Word and not being raised by the world serves to make them much more mature (mentally and spiritually) so they are far better equipped to deal with temptation.

 

At the same time I've seen so many children from Christian homes who attended public school or who were partially homeschooled or Christian schooled and then put into public school (again, mostly for the sake of sports and/or dating and things like prom) who then go on to college where they quickly become sexually active, boozers and become entangled in the world, giving in to their flesh. Some, sadly, don't even make it through public high school before becoming pregnant (or getting a girl pregnant), a binge drinker, their hearts and minds polluted with OBscenity, their morals corrupted and their futures either greatly compromised or ruined.

 

When we stand before God will we want to proclaim we made sure our children got to play on a public school sports team or they had a chance to attend a prom with perverse, ungodly music and sensual dancing?

 

In light of eternity should we make our decisions based upon worldly factors or those things of God which are eternal?

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There are good Christian teachers in public schools. Can they practices their faith there? Yes, by sharing their Love. public teachers are treated and paid very well. Not like the Christian schools, where the teacher's are under paid. Work harder and many times not appreciated.

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TGL...please don't get upset with this, but I have to ask you a question...

 

If you aren't opposed to public school, then why do you have warnings about public schools on your website? One link says "Public School", and another link says "Students Prayer"...both of which are very good by the way!

 

I realize that the Public School article on your site is dealing with elementary school children...but aren't those elementary school children the same ones who have been indoctrinated (with what you warned about), and your daughter is now in school with those who have been previously indoctrinated? And doesn't the "Student Prayer" link apply to your situation.

 

Again, I'm not trying to stir anything up...just wondering about the situation when you seem to be so opposed to it on your website.

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There are good Christian teachers in public schools. Can they practices their faith there? Yes, by sharing their Love. public teachers are treated and paid very well. Not like the Christian schools, where the teacher's are under paid. Work harder and many times not appreciated.

Absolutely! On all counts. I personally have two friends from my church that teach in public high schools. One in English, the other in Science. They are both high caliber individuals who care deeply for their students. I have learned from them however, that it is a constant uphill battle to hold to the standards they each know are true. They also inform me that every year they become more and more the exception and not the rule.

 

I do not argue that there are good, and even some godly teachers in the public school system, but that godly influence is effectually being silenced and even taught against. If this Common Core curriculum takes hold the fall will be exponentially quickened.

 

Please also recall that it is not only the teachers that students are exposed to, although in some schools that is bad enough. They also have to contend with their fellow students and the enormous pressure placed on them by their peers, The only thing a child should have to worry about in a school environment is what he/she is learning in the classroom, not about what they may encounter in the halls, at recess, lunch, or on the way home. For many students, the pressure of these latter issues far outweigh the first.

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TGL...please don't get upset with this, but I have to ask you a question...

If you aren't opposed to public school, then why do you have warnings about public schools on your website? One link says "Public School", and another link says "Students Prayer"...both of which are very good by the way!

I realize that the Public School article on your site is dealing with elementary school children...but aren't those elementary school children the same ones who have been indoctrinated (with what you warned about), and your daughter is now in school with those who have been previously indoctrinated? And doesn't the "Student Prayer" link apply to your situation.

Again, I'm not trying to stir anything up...just wondering about the situation when you seem to be so opposed to it on your website.

I was against it, before I was for it, OBama... :).

You are correct, I am not happy with the way our public schools are going. They can be dangerous and God has been kick out. This is now in our life time, It is OK to let your kid get into a fight and defend them self, then show love. I remember beating a boy up as a kid. After we became best friends. What I said from the first post, was it is time to practices what they have learn in the real World. They are 15 and 17 years Old and are ready for it.
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I have to disagree that they are ready for it, TGL. But they are your kids, it's your decision. I beg of you, though, to seriously consider what has been put forth here by so many. If you do put them in, be the mean dad: be uber diligent in that damage control that is coming. And remember this verse: Evil communications corrupt good manners. In today's lingo, that would mean: the bad stuff will affect a well trained child in a bad way...and rest assured: there will be plenty of bad stuff coming your way.

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I have to disagree that they are ready for it, TGL. But they are your kids, it's your decision. I beg of you, though, to seriously consider what has been put forth here by so many. If you do put them in, be the mean dad: be uber diligent in that damage control that is coming. And remember this verse: Evil communications corrupt good manners. In today's lingo, that would mean: the bad stuff will affect a well trained child in a bad way...and rest assured: there will be plenty of bad stuff coming your way.



Thanks, I work where there are lot's of non believers. But if I don't work, who will paid my bills, OBama? :)
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TGL, you are comparing apples to oranges with that statement. You are an adult, and are mature enough to withstand peer pressure. 15 and 17 is not adult. Yes, there are some who are mature eniugh, but they would be very few in number. It is akin to playing the lotterywith your children to place them Iin a place where Christ had been banned except as mockery.

As I said before, I attended public school some. In 10 th and 11th grade. I knew what was right, believe me. And yet peer pressure is quite strong. Suffice to say that I know from personal experience the truth of "evil communications corrupt good manners." And that was just slightly under 40 years ago - when the schools were nowhere near as bad as they are today.

And, FWIW - since you mentioned him - BO wuld be glad you put them in public school...and, no - he'd rather you keep working to pay for all those illegals he's bussing in. ;-)

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As an individual who came up through the public school system, who works part time with the public school system and has a sister who is saved and worked 25 years in the Florida public school system -- let me say that you have made a HUGE mistake and hope (for your children's sake) that you don't end up regretting that as much as I forsee.

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As an individual who came up through the public school system, who works part time with the public school system and has a sister who is saved and worked 25 years in the Florida public school system -- let me say that you have made a HUGE mistake and hope (for your children's sake) that you don't end up regretting that as much as I forsee.



I don't know about you guys, I know you do care, but something just don't sounds right.
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TGL, I encourage you to get in your car, go down to your local mall and just sit in the concourse for an hour or two during the "after school hours"... OBserving.  Pay atention to the teens who go in the various clothing stores and music stores; what their wearing, how they are talking, their mannerisms.

Then ask yourself..." Do I really want to expose my children to this?"  These same teens that are scantily dressed, or dressed in a sexually provocative manner, cursing and laughing about ungodly things, purchasing ungodly music, etc., are the same teens that you will be exposing your children to in the public shcool system.

Oh, and I am sure many of the teens will be standing around in the concourse smoking, eyeing the opposite sex, or trying to attract the opposite sex.

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TGL, I encourage you to get in your car, go down to your local mall and just sit in the concourse for an hour or two during the "after school hours"... OBserving. Pay atention to the teens who go in the various clothing stores and music stores; what their wearing, how they are talking, their mannerisms.

Then ask yourself..." Do I really want to expose my children to this?" These same teens that are scantily dressed, or dressed in a sexually provocative manner, cursing and laughing about ungodly things, purchasing ungodly music, etc., are the same teens that you will be exposing your children to in the public shcool system.

Oh, and I am sure many of the teens will be standing around in the concourse smoking, eyeing the opposite sex, or trying to attract the opposite sex.




This is what I don't understand, they see this all ready being in christian schools. Not just in the schools but everywhere. Are you saying to isolate them, keeping them home all the time or at church?
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So what does that tell you, TGL?  What should it tell you?  Keep them home.  Teach them that which is right in the sight of God.  Train them up in the way they should go.  Then, when they are mature enough to leave the home, they will remember those morals and standards and be all the better for it.

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This is what I don't understand, they see this all ready being in christian schools. Not just in the schools but everywhere. Are you saying to isolate them, keeping them home all the time or at church?

 

You ever see a momma bear protect her young from dangerous things?

 

Bloodshed.

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This is what I don't understand, they see this all ready being in christian schools. Not just in the schools but everywhere. Are you saying to isolate them, keeping them home all the time or at church?

You can't seem to get past the word 'isolate', you keep saying it over and over. There is a difference between shielding your children from the worldly influences that surround them daily and isolating them from even glimpsing the outside world. Responsible parents do NOT isolate their children. If you go back to before the threads got derailed, you can read several answers that have already addressed this in detail. Most are on the first page, my post was #17. 

 

If the Christian school your children were in was no different than a public school, then maybe you did the right thing pulling them out. However, you did them a dis-service by not even considering home school before placing them in the public school. Public school should always be the last option, not the first or second.

 

I encourage you to look into home school groups in your area and talk to the parents about the pros and cons of home schooling, ask for any advice, etc. You have the rest of the summer to figure this out. Take your time and so some proper research.

 

If you insist on keeping your children in public school, then I encourage you to get involved with any after school program they're involved with, attend every parent-teacher conference, look at every single one of their text books, examine their home work, and if anything is contrary to God's Word, sit your children down and explain why it's contrary and what they should do about it.

 

And just in case you missed what I said earlier:

 

Home school is NOT ISOLATION! 

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