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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Hello, I'm new here. Literally 10 minutes new. I'll just jump right into the reason I signed up, and decided to post. I'm hoping there's hope for guys like me. I got married before I was saved, and divorced before I was saved, and that was 17 or 18 years ago. I'm older, but by no means old (40), and have a lot of life left in me if The Lord permits me to live a long life, or doesn't come back first. Everything I've seen says I cannot remarry, and since my original wife was unsaved, and is now remarried there's no hope of reconcilliation.

 

Some Christians do go on to marry again regardless, but it doesn't look like that's something that God's going to permit. Feeling pretty hopeless about life. What's a guy to do? Any thoughts? Did I just mess up, and that's the end of that?

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There is never a lost 'cause'.

 

Prayer does change things, my friend, and the Lord wants you to enjoy life.

Life can be fulfilling if you surrender your 'hopelessness' to God.

 

If you aren't, get involved in a 'ministry' of some sorts and God can use that to

maybe make connections for you to 'find' your niche in his life work.

 

Maybe he will lead you to a Godly woman. Maybe not, but maybe.

 

I think the scriptures teach re-marriage, if it is to a Godly woman.

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I am going to share some KJV bible verses that may be of help or consideration, but first let me tell you a little about my situation so you know that I completely understand your predicament.  I was saved at the age of 17.  I have been married twice, my first wife was murdered after we had been married for 8 years and had 4 children.  I was left the single parent of 3 boys and one girl and was free to marry since I had not divorced and my spouse was dead.  I made a very foolish choice by not asking God's direction when I chose a 2nd wife (who was unsaved) out of desperation for help in raising my 4.  After 10 years of marriage to her, who was divorced from her first husband, she reconciled with her first husband and left me. That marriage ended 20 years ago and I have been single and not dating even once since then, so I know the struggles you are going through as a healthy man.  In my case, and in my opinion, I have been released from my marriage vow by the "till death do us part" being fulfilled since my 2nd wife has recently passed away of cancer.  So I am now open to seek another wife, though I am not really looking very hard, having become accustomed to a celibate lifestyle.

 

However, your case in my opinion my be entirely different, and let me show by the bible why I believe so.  The main difference between yours and my case was that my entire two marriages happened AFTER I was saved, and you married and divorced while lost.

 

I will take you to Paul preaching to the Greeks on Mars Hill. 

 

Acts 17:23 (KJV)
23  For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.  These were unsaved men who knew nothing of God or his law. 

Acts 17:30 (KJV)
30  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

 

When you were unsaved and committed the acts of divorce you did not know God or his law, and I believe that sins committed then without you having the full knowledge of God, God winks at.   Those sins are of course are now covered under the blood if you are saved now.  You committed your sin of divorce while a lost man not knowing God or his law.  I committed mine with my eyes wide open, fully knowing it was against Gods word, and I am without excuse.  

 

In your situation I am assuming that both you and your wife were unsaved and unbelieving.  I believe God's word may help you here:

 

1 Corinthians 7:12-15 (KJV)
12  But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13  And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14  For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15  But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 

 

I believe the scriptures state that had you married an unsaved wife while you were a believer and she left you because she would not have any part of a Christians lifestyle and submit to you, then you were no longer under bondage.  The verses state the reverse is true as well, if the wife were saved and the husband unsaved and he left, she would no longer be under bondage.  In your case BOTH of you were unsaved and left. and I cannot see where you would be under bondage today. 

 

Then something interesting from Jesus on the topic...

 

Matthew 19:10-12 (KJV)
10  His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11  But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12  For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

 

The first mans lot was not caused by any action of men or himself, the second mans situation was made so under the law of man, the third situation was done voluntarily by a man who knew God and did it as a sacrifice for the ministry.  In this instance, I believe your situation falls under the 2nd person, in that you under the law and understanding of man, put away your first wife.  You did not know Gods law and therefore are "unable to receive it".  This may be stretching the word a bit, but I think may be a viable argument.  I see no other explanation for the Lord's unusual statement here.

 

This is what I can offer from what I have found in God's word.  I am NOT a pastor however, and I would definitely seek wise counsel from your pastor, and of course a LOT of prayer regarding this issue. I will be following this forum entry closely and look forward to some thoughtful and scriptural discussion.

 

Bro. Garry

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Welcome my friend '

I cant you give you any advice to your question other then to seek God in prayer and yield to him that His will be done in your life.

God bless 

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This is what I can offer from what I have found in God's word.  I am NOT a pastor however, and I would definitely seek wise counsel from your pastor, and of course a LOT of prayer regarding this issue. I will be following this forum entry closely and look forward to some thoughtful and scriptural discussion.

 

Bro. Garry

In His will.  By His power.  For His glory.

 

Sorry I didn't 'use scripture'.

 

Friend, in 1 Corinthians 7:27,28(a) there is a coupla verses for you, which in my experience with the word of God is very clear on this subject.

The above brother almost got to it.

 

"Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed: art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But if thou takest a wife, thou sinnest not..."

 

Two verses here that answer this issue without clouding it up in opinion.

Hope you get a good encouragement being on this forum.

God bless you in your situation.

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Reread post #4, that is the best explanation I have heard or seen to date on this subject anywhere.

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Some good answers have been given here.

Feae not, my friend...if God had chosen you to be without a wife, for His sake, you would feel no sadness.

It sounds like you feel "bound" which is exactly what you shouldn't.

If you need a wife, take 1. Thou hast not sinned.
Put out a fleece, if you must.
God has 1 for ya.

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If you feel that your life is hopeless without a spouse, doesn't that mean you're setting up marriage life as an idol? All the responses so far have seemed to focus on a finding a 'legal' means to make your desire for remarriage ok, but if your desire for remarriage is the no.1 thing in your life what will you do if God calls you to give up this desire and not marry again?

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I don't think that is what is referred here.

 

'Marriage' is a desire to make a 'man' complete.

You know, like when God made Adam an 'help' meet for his needs.

I think also, that if God meant for him to not be married, he would not have the feeling of loss, without it.

 

Some men choose to 'be' single, and some were made physically to 'be' single.

But the scriptures state that this isn't for every man, but to whom can contain themselves.

 

It's not about idolatry, otherwise most of us would be 'living in sin' as per se.

 

Have you never been in a depressed situation and had concerns?

 

Marriage, for those who desire it, is a serious concern.

 

I will be praying for you That Guy.

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Some men choose to 'be' single, and some were made physically to 'be' single.
But the scriptures state that this isn't for every man, but to whom can contain themselves.


Wasn't saying that all men should be single, GP.

It's not about idolatry, otherwise most of us would be 'living in sin' as per se.


Nor was I saying that a desire for marriage is necessarily about idolatry. What Guy said was that he felt life was hopeless unless he was married, and it was this thought in particular that I was addressing. Anything can become idolatry, if it replaces God as the main focus of one's life.

...if God meant for him to not be married, he would not have the feeling of loss, without it.


Perhaps he has a desire for marriage because God means him to be married. On the other hand, perhaps God means him to be single but he has a desire for marriage. Surely either could be possible, else we would never desire anything that God does not want for us.


Have you never been in a depressed situation and had concerns? Marriage, for those who desire it, is a serious concern.


Sure, and I do sympathise.
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Alimantado is definitely unto something Scriptural here. God through Paul is pretty clear that the "better" service for God would be from a sanctified single man or woman whom forsakes the world including the worldliness of caring for a mate to serve Him completely and Spiritually. These Scriptures supersede any OT references members are attempting to make here.

 

Of course God through Paul knows that is absolutely against our physical nature but knows also that walking in Spirit we can rise above our worldly physical nature.

 

Not saying if you are married loose yourself to serve the Lord better. Your lot in life is cast, deal with it. But, if he/she dumps you, then be like Paul.

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Wretched, the old testament reference to marriage is the 'original' meaning behind the definition of marriage.

God saw man had a need, and he created the answer, woman.

 

Man was not complete without a mate, even when God saw Adam alone in Edenic 'perfection', how much more now?

 

In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus Christ quoted Genesis 2:24.

 

The reason God felt that a wife was a 'good thing'? Genesis 2:18 - "It is not good that the man should be himself alone."

God didn't want man to 'be' alone. Hence, marriage.

 

It's all bible. Not just the new testament.

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On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2014 at 5:33 PM, That Guy said:

Hello, I'm new here. Literally 10 minutes new. I'll just jump right into the reason I signed up, and decided to post. I'm hoping there's hope for guys like me. I got married before I was saved, and divorced before I was saved, and that was 17 or 18 years ago. I'm older, but by no means old (40), and have a lot of life left in me if The Lord permits me to live a long life, or doesn't come back first. Everything I've seen says I cannot remarry, and since my original wife was unsaved, and is now remarried there's no hope of reconcilliation.

 

Some Christians do go on to marry again regardless, but it doesn't look like that's something that God's going to permit. Feeling pretty hopeless about life. What's a guy to do? Any thoughts? Did I just mess up, and that's the end of that?

Throughout my ministry, I have counseled a number of men and women in the same position. There will be people who disagree with what I am going to say, but Scripture is clear.

Marriage is permanent. With man, you are divorced. You and your wife are no longer legally married. God's views are different. In God's eyes she is still your wife, which is why you are not eligible to remarry until she departs this earth. This does not mean that your life is over. There are many areas of ministry that you can and should be involved in. I know many divorced individuals who teach Sunday School classes, run bus ministries, start single ministries to help others. God can and wants to use you. Start by getting into a good church and serving the Lord.

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9 hours ago, Pastorj said:

Throughout my ministry, I have counseled a number of men and women in the same position. There will be people who disagree with what I am going to say, but Scripture is clear.

Marriage is permanent. With man, you are divorced. You and your wife are no longer legally married. God's views are different. In God's eyes she is still your wife, which is why you are not eligible to remarry until she departs this earth. This does not mean that your life is over. There are many areas of ministry that you can and should be involved in. I know many divorced individuals who teach Sunday School classes, run bus ministries, start single ministries to help others. God can and wants to use you. Start by getting into a good church and serving the Lord.

Is it really that cut and dry Pastorj?  I am married to a man that was married prior.  We were both unsaved and had no clue what the Lords word was on this.  We were both saved after we were married.  The Lord obviously had mercy on us.   Prior to our conversion we were according to the bible dead.  If some one committed these things while dead,  then were made alive, a new birth , a new creature,  I have always believed that changes things.   God doesn't even remember our past according to scripture.    

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On 9/19/2018 at 4:06 PM, Thief on the Cross said:

Is it really that cut and dry Pastorj?  I am married to a man that was married prior.  We were both unsaved and had no clue what the Lords word was on this.  We were both saved after we were married.  The Lord obviously had mercy on us.   Prior to our conversion we were according to the bible dead.  If some one committed these things while dead,  then were made alive, a new birth , a new creature,  I have always believed that changes things.   God doesn't even remember our past according to scripture.    

The doctrine of marriage for the New Testament Christian is found in 1st Corinthians 7.  Such a union as you describe is sin and sins can be and will be forgiven and you can continue on in marriage until the Lord calls y'all home.  Obviously the Lord will not call your husband to be a Pastor or Deacon but you can both faithfully serve in other ways.  Don't dwell on it. 

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On ‎9‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 4:06 PM, Thief on the Cross said:

Is it really that cut and dry Pastorj?  I am married to a man that was married prior.  We were both unsaved and had no clue what the Lords word was on this.  We were both saved after we were married.  The Lord obviously had mercy on us.   Prior to our conversion we were according to the bible dead.  If some one committed these things while dead,  then were made alive, a new birth , a new creature,  I have always believed that changes things.   God doesn't even remember our past according to scripture.    

Yes, it is that cut and dry. However, as mentioned, God can and wants to use divorced people. They just can't be a pastor or deacon. The Word of God has to be taken literally and marriage is sacred and dealt with from Genesis to the New Testament and it is always the same. When we want to take one passage and say that this is for NT Christians and then ignore the Gospels or the Old Testament, we come up with doctrines that make us feel better and excuse our sin.

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Can sone one answer a few questions for me then.  These are sincere questions , trying to understand.

I will use sone examples from people I know.

A couple comes to our church.  Both have been previously married, now living  as whats called  common law.  They have children from previous marriages and also a child from their union.   After they are both saved, They were told they should be married.   Should they be married?

Another couple,  both divorced,  get saved , told they should be married.  Should they be?  They have no children between them , but adult children from their previous marriages.   They were living together. 

The woman at the well.  Jesus said that she had five husbands,  are we to believe they have all died.  Or 4 have died , 1 is still alive and that is why he says the one you are with is not you husband? 

 

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37 minutes ago, Thief on the Cross said:

Can sone one answer a few questions for me then.  These are sincere questions , trying to understand.

I will use sone examples from people I know.

A couple comes to our church.  Both have been previously married, now living  as whats called  common law.  They have children from previous marriages and also a child from their union.   After they are both saved, They were told they should be married.   Should they be married?

Another couple,  both divorced,  get saved , told they should be married.  Should they be?  They have no children between them , but adult children from their previous marriages.   They were living together. 

The woman at the well.  Jesus said that she had five husbands,  are we to believe they have all died.  Or 4 have died , 1 is still alive and that is why he says the one you are with is not you husband? 

 

Some great questions

1. Couple living in a common law marriage - They are married already. Doing vows is a formality.
2. Couple living together, but not married - This one is tough because I am sure they are sleeping together. I would not marry these individuals. I would encourage them to separate until their former spouses have passed.
3. Woman at the well - She was married to 5 and the one she was currently with was an adulterous affair. Jesus was calling her out on it. He was not telling her to go and get married to the guy she was currently with.

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