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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

So Where Was Baptism For Salvation In The Ot?


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I did not say that Faith was not active in any age, economy or dispensation.  I said that Faith, Works and God's Grace worked in different ways at different times.  They were all active at all times, just in different manners of application.

 

I don't remember anywhere in Exodus through Duet that Moses had faith in the finished work of Christ/Messiah to Moses he was called a prophet like unto himself. Moses did not know anything other than God would raise up a prophet like him to lead Israel.  While Moses knew that he did not know who Jesus Christ was until after his death when he met him face to face when Jesus went into hell and preached unto the prisoners. 

 

Moses's faith was in the word/promise of God generally and in God specifically.

 

If you don't mind I will trust Paul's opinions over yours - HE said Moses had faith in Christ.

 

And the Body of Christ is the church.

Col_1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 
 

If you don't rightly divide the scriptures then you will blend them all and their doctrines and to whom they apply.

 

I can't force you to learn this or accept this but it is a truth. 

 

The divisions of Gen-Acts 7, Acts 12-Philemon, Hebrews through Rev 19, Rev 19-Rev21 are four simple divisions of scripture and they are to different people at different times.  that does not mean we can t use them or apply  them it just means doctrinally there is application that is not for us.

 

ALL scripture is for the Body of Christ but not not all of it applies to the body of Christ.

 

 

And if you do a quick study of "church" or even look at the short explanation I recently posted about the church - you will see that the church is only specifically local, never universal.
 
The majority of references to the body in relation to a group of believers is clearly talking about the local church - and as the with the church there are some which are vague, but NONE that speak of the body specifically as all believers to the exclusion of the local church.
 
And you still use the "rightly dividing" phrase amiss.
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Heb 12:22-26
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth:but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Now, ye are come, in the writer's day, to the Heavenly assembly.

Eph 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 1:20
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Eph 2:6
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Eph 3:10
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Verb tenses are important.


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"I know you know more about the Popery than me, I think that part was meant for someone else.  You can click a "Like This" again to unlike it; unless there's a time period to do so?"

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LOL.  Yeah, just a little bit.   ;)  I know what you are saying.  I should have adjusted my first post to read, "that as a former RC, this is never taught to the people."  There is so much brainwashing going on, that the precious RC's can't see the truth.  And, the RC's that are not devout are too afraid to leave the RCC for fear of persecution from family and friends, or they are in the words of one of my first cousins, "in limbo" and are closed off to what scripture says.  Also, many are agnostic or atheist.  *sigh*

You got a free "like", brother.  :-)

:hijacked:  Can someone explain, via PM how to copy just one section of a post?  I know how to copy if someone is posting to me, however, I need a little help with how to post when multiple replies are made.  Thanks in advance:)  

 

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First I never implied that Baptism was for Salvation in the OT.

 

I stated that it was a requirement under the Gospel of the Kingdom, which was never preached in the OT, it was only preached by John the Bapt, Jesus, and the 12 & the 70(72) disciples in the NT and it was only preached to Israel.

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I responded to this in post >#33 to which you never responded. I asked for you to respond again in #70, but still no answer.Instead you come out with the following post:

 

If you don't rightly divide the scriptures then you will blend them all and their doctrines and to whom they apply.

 

I can't force you to learn this or accept this but it is a truth. 

 

Your statement: "If you don't rightly divide the scriptures then you will blend them all and their doctrines and to whom they apply" is indeed true, but I suspect it may be you that is not "rightly dividing" and doing the "blending ... doctrines".

 

But hey,  I can't force you to learn this or accept this. I can't even get you to reply to my post.

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I guess I was incorrect as Moses would have known Christ before Christ going to hell for he stood with him on the mount.

 

Moses may have only known his as the Lord of Host prior to his earthly visit.

 

So at the time of the promise historically Moses knew nothing more than the God.

 

DAVEW

 

If you say he knew Christ as Jesus then you make the body that came through Mary an eternal body he possessed in time past prior to his earthly birth there is a bigger prOBlem than my saying he did not know.  for you would be saying Christ possessed the body of Jesus before his birth.

 

Now I do realize the Author of Hebrews Says, Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
 27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
 28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
 29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

 

If you are implying that before the Exodus that Moses knew Christ the Messiah you are in error.  The Author is showing a comparative not proving he knew Jesus Christ at Exodus 2 that is not true.  It was the reproach that he knew not Christ himself.

 

If I am wrong please provide a scripture that says, " HE said Moses had faith in Christ"  Hebrews does not say that.  Hebrews is talking about faith but not faith in Christ but the reproach of Christ.  That reproach was about serving God above oneself or the World.

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I responded to this in post >#33 to which you never responded. I asked for you to respond again in #70, but still no answer.Instead you come out with the following post:

 

 

Your statement: "If you don't rightly divide the scriptures then you will blend them all and their doctrines and to whom they apply" is indeed true, but I suspect it may be you that is not "rightly dividing" and doing the "blending ... doctrines".

 

But hey,  I can't force you to learn this or accept this. I can't even get you to reply to my post.

what!!?  No I am not blending anything.

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what!!?  No I am not blending anything.

 

And yet you still refuse to answer my scripturally correct post #33 which responds to your insistence that Baptism was a requirement under the Gospel of the Kingdom, preached by John the Bapt, Jesus, and the 12 & the 70(72) disciples in the NT.

 

Okay, maybe you don't blend. Maybe you just ignore the scripture that doesn't line up with what you want to believe.

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And yet you still refuse to answer my scripturally correct post #33 which responds to your insistence that Baptism was a requirement under the Gospel of the Kingdom, preached by John the Bapt, Jesus, and the 12 & the 70(72) disciples in the NT.

 

Okay, maybe you don't blend. Maybe you just ignore the scripture that doesn't line up with what you want to believe.

why don't you show where it was not a requirement.

 

I show what John and Jesus taught and baptism was part of the gospel of the Kingdom.  Go back and read those scriptures again.

 

But it is clear what was passed on to Peter and he clearly stated prior to the gospel of the Grace of God,  The asked "what shall we do?"  WORKS and peter answered Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  it was required for those who believe the gospel of the Kingdom and it is the same on Peter is preaching here.

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why don't you show where it was not a requirement.

 

It was not given as a requirement in Matthew 10, John 4, John 11 or for the thief on the cross as I showed and referenced multiple times. 

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Fist off, forgive me for spelling mistakes as I am using a glasses off program to improve my vision and it requires while I am using it not to where any glasses.  So I can't see the keybaord that well and my typing skills are a bit lacking.

 

So,

 

Which church would it be if Jesus has not gone to the cross yet?

 

So here is Jesus Building a church and it is pre-cross so what church was he building?

 

It is the church of the first born which is Israel also known as the church in the wilderness  This church is not currently being built.  What is being built today is the BODY OF CHRIST, which is called the Church.  Once the BODY OF CHRIST has been gathered into the clouds to Jesus, then dealing and building the church of the wilderness/the church of the first born will be taken up again under the Gospel of the kingdom.

 

Today, we are blessed not because we keep his commandments or do baptisms or repentance, but because of the work of Jesus Christ (this does not mean you will not get a blessing if your do, it just means you don't earn anything by works today).  under Law and the gospel of the Kingdom one must keep commandments and do works to get a blessing of God.

 

You can argue all you want, if you don't see that it is because you are not OBserving the text.

 

Jesus didn't say he was building  He said I will build.

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Heb 11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; 
Heb 11:25  Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 
Heb 11:26  Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 
 
 
Make what you will of it - Paul says Moses knew about CHRIST.
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Galatians 3:11-12
11   But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith1.
12   And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
 
1The section of verse 11 that I highlighted is a quote from the Old Testament (Habakkuk 2:4)...and the opening statement of verse 12 makes it clear that the law had nothing to do with faith. Therefore, the Old Testament taught/teaches that justification came through faith alone without the works of the law.
 
Peter understood that those from the Old Testament couldn't keep the law...
 
Acts 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
 
Paul understood that those from the Old Testament couldn't keep the law...
 
Romans 9:31-33
31   But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32   Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33   As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
 
Verse 33 is also a quote (actually a combined quote of two verses) from the Old Testament (Isaiah 8:14 and 28:16)...the Old Testament taught/teaches justification by faith alone.
 
Don't stumble at the stumblingstone.
 
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Heb 11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; 
Heb 11:25  Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 
Heb 11:26  Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 
 
 
Make what you will of it - Paul says Moses knew about CHRIST.

 

I explained it already quite clearly, it is the reproach the author of Hebrews is speaking of do you not understand what the reproach of Christ was and is?

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............

 

If you are implying that before the Exodus that Moses knew Christ the Messiah you are in error.  The Author is showing a comparative not proving he knew Jesus Christ at Exodus 2 that is not true.  It was the reproach that he knew not Christ himself.

 

If I am wrong please provide a scripture that says, " HE said Moses had faith in Christ"  Hebrews does not say that.  Hebrews is talking about faith but not faith in Christ but the reproach of Christ.  That reproach was about serving God above oneself or the World.

 

 

But Paul quite clearly says "of Christ" not "of God: - why would he use this particular word?

 

And if you read the phrase you want to, you end up the same place anyway.

"Esteeming the reproach of Christ" - He esteemed serving CHRIST as better than the riches of the world.

 

To serve Christ in accordance with the will of God you must have faith in CHRIST - it is specific in that is is regarding CHRIST, not just God.

It is in reference to the specific part of the Godhead that is Jesus Christ.

 

You can not get around this point - Paul is saying that Moses knew about and served the Christ. Not just God, but specifically Christ.

 

Again, I choose to align myself with Paul, who spoke these words under the direction and influence of the Holy Spirit.

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Some other verses I came across during my morning study that pertain to this topic:

 

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

These verses clearly tell us that a Jews hope (and the hope of salvation) was not in the works of the law (such as circumcision) but was a condition of the HEART, IN THE SPIRIT. If your heart is not right, no amount of works will get you anywhere. There is nothing man could ever do. ALL the praise has always gone to God. 

 

Consider the account of the Pharisee and the publican in Luke 18.

 

Luke 18:10-14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

The Pharisees had all the “i”s dotted and “t”s crossed, and still he was not justified, whereas the publican had a truly repentant heart and walked away justified over the Pharisee. No works, no baptism.

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But Paul quite clearly says "of Christ" not "of God: - why would he use this particular word?

 

And if you read the phrase you want to, you end up the same place anyway.

"Esteeming the reproach of Christ" - He esteemed serving CHRIST as better than the riches of the world.

 

To serve Christ in accordance with the will of God you must have faith in CHRIST - it is specific in that is is regarding CHRIST, not just God.

It is in reference to the specific part of the Godhead that is Jesus Christ.

 

You can not get around this point - Paul is saying that Moses knew about and served the Christ. Not just God, but specifically Christ.

 

Again, I choose to align myself with Paul, who spoke these words under the direction and influence of the Holy Spirit.

This is one of those places you may need Greek to help you understand.  it is the suffering of Christ not the faith in Christ the Author is speaking of.  You are also reading into the text you interpretation "he knew" the suffering not Jesus.

 

And how do you prove Paul Wrote Hebrews and why?

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This is one of those places you may need Greek to help you understand.  it is the suffering of Christ not the faith in Christ the Author is speaking of.  You are also reading into the text you interpretation "he knew" the suffering not Jesus.

 

And how do you prove Paul Wrote Hebrews and why?

It doesn't matter whether it was Paul or not - the book is inspired of God.

 

You can not get away from the fact that it is relation to Christ specifically - not just to God.

The author of Hebrews relates Moses choice to the Christ.

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It doesn't matter whether it was Paul or not - the book is inspired of God.

 

You can not get away from the fact that it is relation to Christ specifically - not just to God.

The author of Hebrews relates Moses choice to the Christ.

 

If you both would listen for a sec. Whether it was speaking of God or Jesus Christ, what diff does it make? They are both one.

So you both win. :clapping:

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