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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Candlelight:

 

That saying is common to all Christian belief.  It dates back centuries and centuries.  Christians have been saying it from generation to generation.  It is a tradition, yet it is well rooted in Scripture.  It comes from Scripture. Not the exact wording, but the doctrine. It the essence of the Gospel.  Christ has died.  True?  Yes.  Christ has risen.  True?  Yes. Christ will come again.  True?  Yes.

 

So what is wrong with saying it? 

Disclaimer: I attend an Anglican church, and we say this every week right before Communion, which I find to be a lovely reminder and reaffirmation of our faith.  But we often said it in the last Baptist church I attended as well.  I think it is said in most liturgical churches.  Yes, it is said in Catholic churches, but I've heard it in Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Anglican....I could go on.  But it is an essential truth at the heart of Christianity. 

 

Okay, KOB.  I have never said it in my IFB church, as it in not in the KJV or any MV.  If I am wrong, please show me.  Thank you:)

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Certainly the Roman Catholic Church does not get first dibs on the words and phrases we employ to talk about God.  That is my point, Al.

 

Oh, right. So you were actually saying that using words and phrases that Roman Catholics use is no bad thing, so long, of course, as the words/phrases are true. 
 
Do you know what, it's a funny thing but when I read your post I thought you were saying 180 degrees opposite of that. I thought you were saying that using man-made phrases that the RCC use and moreover aren't in the KJV was something to avoid. My mistake, sorry about that Candlelight!
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Oh, right. So you were actually saying that using words and phrases that Roman Catholics use is no bad thing, so long, of course, as the words/phrases are true. 
 
Do you know what, it's a funny thing but when I read your post I thought you were saying 180 degrees opposite of that. I thought you were saying that using man-made phrases that the RCC use and moreover aren't in the KJV was something to avoid. My mistake, sorry about that Candlelight!

 

 

I just got your post in the other thread, Al.  No prOBlem, brother:)

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Candlelight,

 

I am sorry if I triggered some bad memories for you.  That was not my intention. I just said a common saying that is filled with truth, and did not realize it would trigger negative thoughts. 

 

No, it is not word for word from the Bible, but each of the three statements is true.

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The amils have nothing but fantasizing in their approach.

 

Reading any single passage before Rev. 20 we do not see a future millennial dispensation.

 

The general teaching of the OT prophecy is that Messiah will bring about an endless kingdom-age for Israel, at peace & untroubled by the nations. Always God is specially concerned with "my people" as in such Scriptures as Ez. 36 & Jer. 23 -

Jer. 23:Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; but, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

 

Ez. 36: 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

 

Messiah came, & completed his redeeming work by his suffering, death & resurrection. Peace was proclaimed to Israel from Pentecost onwards, & many thousands believed. God was fulfilling his prophecies, as Peter explained, but was God restoring the kingdom to Israel as the Apostles had asked?

 

In Acts 3, Peter quotes Moses - Deut. 18; John in Mat. 3 alludes to Mal. 4. Those who welcome their Messiah inherit the blessings. Those who reject him suffer the curse, & the wrath of God. 

 

The questions arising are: did Jesus do what was prophesied for those who received him? Or did the double rejection by the Jewish leaders frustrate God's plan & purpose, causing the prophesied blessings to be postponed to a future millennial dispensation?

 

When Peter quotes Moses under inspiration, he restates the prophetic warning with emphasis:

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

 

Notice also that Peter tells the people that the prophets are prophesying these days.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

Peter further reminds them of the first promise to Abraham of the blessing of the families of earth. God knew that they would reject their Messiah - AND persecute the Apostles. See Mat. 24. That rejection did not cause God to delay his plans for blessing Israel - see Acts 3:26. We need to read carefully to see if what happened in Acts was the fulfilemnt of prophecy. OBviously it wasn't what the Apostles expected in Acts 1, nor was it what the Jews expected of their Messiah.

 

In his first letter, Peter applies the blessings of Ex. 19 to the church. (1 Pet. 2) & in Rev. 1, Jesus assures his suffering people of their status, again alluding to Ex. 19.

Now therefore, if ye will OBey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

 

1 Pet. 2:But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not OBtained mercy, but now have OBtained mercy.

 

Rev. 1:and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

We are not therefore looking for a millennial fulfilment of prophecy, but we need to see the ultimate fulfilment in a perfect NH&NE, & the present Gospel age as a time of calling the redeemed to God for salvation by new birth, through tribulation to glory - glory of souls in heaven, & in the resurrection in the NH&NE. Notice how the "my people - your God" promise of Lev. 26 is perfectly fulfilled in Rev. 21:

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

But that is after the Rev. 20 millennium, so how should we understand the millennium? Note first who dwells there:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

John sees SOULS, not resurrection bodies - but their status is priests, reigning with Christ. Their status in heaven is the same as our status on earth, but their heavenly reign is not opposed by the ungodly as our earthly reign is. We are ambassadors on earth for our heavenly King in a world that rejects his authority & our status. So we suffer tribulation here as John & his companions did. (Rev. 1)

 

We as believers have experienced the first resurrection, aka new birth. Jesus teaches in John 5:

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

That is salvation - we have new life in Christ.

 

Jesus continues by referring to a second, general resurrection:

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

That second resurrection is of ALL, in an hour, NOT separated by 1000 years.

 

The millennial reign is for the souls of believers in heaven & is their present experience, concurrent with the Gospel age on earth.

 

Satan IS restrained, Jesus the Lion-Lamb defeated him at Calvary, the nations do have the Gospel preached from the Apostolic time onwards, & Satan's captives are being freed. He will be released for a final rebellion before the coming of Christ for final judgement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Covenanter,

the only prOBlem with your nice little treatise here is those pesky little words in the Holy Bible.  Israel is NOT enjoying peace right now.  Israel is NOT the head of the Nations.  Christ is NOT reigning from Jerusalem.  Isaiah 11 has NOT come to pass, with a regenerated animal kingdom that lives in peace with each other, as it was in the Garden of Eden.  The promises of Scripture are that Jesus Christ would return to this earth PHYSICALLY, and reign over the entire planet with "a rod of iron."  Revelation 20 specifically states that this reign would last for 1,000 years - and it says that SIX TIMES. 

I don't know about you, but I think that the Lord is not a liar, and that the Lord says what He means, and means what He says.  So if the Lord says that Christ will return to the earth and reign over a kingdom on this earth PHYSICALLY for 1,000 years prior to the NH&NE....well, I kinda think that He meant what He said, and that it will  come to pass literally...just like He said.  Anything less than a literal fulfillment of the words in Revelation 20 makes God a liar.

 

We are right back to the same old prOBlem.  I believe that every single word of Scripture is true, and we cannot change one word to fit our theology.  Your system is constantly overlooking words, redefining words, or simply ignoring the plain meaning of the words. 

 

Just because Peter quotes the OT in Acts 2 and Acts 3 does not mean that those verses literally came to pass - they OBviously did NOT.  They were expecting Christ to return to the EARTH - as promised by the angels in Acts 1!  Did Christ return to the earth? NOT YET.  And until Christ returns to the earth, there remains a ton of prophecies to be fulfilled.

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Covenanter,

the only prOBlem with your nice little treatise here is those pesky little words in the Holy Bible.  Israel is NOT enjoying peace right now.  Israel is NOT the head of the Nations.  Christ is NOT reigning from Jerusalem.  Isaiah 11 has NOT come to pass, with a regenerated animal kingdom that lives in peace with each other, as it was in the Garden of Eden.  The promises of Scripture are that Jesus Christ would return to this earth PHYSICALLY, and reign over the entire planet with "a rod of iron."  Revelation 20 specifically states that this reign would last for 1,000 years - and it says that SIX TIMES. 

I don't know about you, but I think that the Lord is not a liar, and that the Lord says what He means, and means what He says.  So if the Lord says that Christ will return to the earth and reign over a kingdom on this earth PHYSICALLY for 1,000 years prior to the NH&NE....well, I kinda think that He meant what He said, and that it will  come to pass literally...just like He said.  Anything less than a literal fulfillment of the words in Revelation 20 makes God a liar.

 

We are right back to the same old prOBlem.  I believe that every single word of Scripture is true, and we cannot change one word to fit our theology.  Your system is constantly overlooking words, redefining words, or simply ignoring the plain meaning of the words. 

 

Just because Peter quotes the OT in Acts 2 and Acts 3 does not mean that those verses literally came to pass - they OBviously did NOT.  They were expecting Christ to return to the EARTH - as promised by the angels in Acts 1!  Did Christ return to the earth? NOT YET.  And until Christ returns to the earth, there remains a ton of prophecies to be fulfilled.

I guess a preterist would think animals being in a zoo together would qualify as a fulfillment of Isaiah 11. 

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Except you didn't give asny reasons the rapture can't be after the tribulation. Keep in mind, I am talking about a post-trib/pre wrath position, because the Bible clearly shows a separation, or, if you will, a portion OF the tribuation as being the outpouring of wrath. It is before this that I see the rapture occurring, NOT all the way at the end when Jesus returns. So maybe you have misuderstood my point from the start.

  Your primary point, I believe, as to why it couldn't be, was because, when would the judgment be? I answered that, and you ignored my reply. So I reiterated it and expanded it. You said the rev 14 events were prOBably one event, not two, I explained why they were clearly two events and bult upon that. You said trump doesn equal trumpet, I explained why it must..

 

Allow me to repeat, verbatim, errors of spelling included, from my answer to what you asked, which perhaps you missed some of:

 

"Yes, the beast will be judged before the nations, which will be before the believers. That's fine-no conflict here. If the events of Rev 14 are the rapture, as I believe, we must ask ourselves, how long does the wrath take, after which Jesus returns to judge the beast and nations? A day? A week? A month? A year? You haven't considered my reply on it-are the events in Heaven subject to time? God ceetainly isn't, and it would make sense then that, being in His presence, we won't be either. John is taken from a time 2,000 yhears past, and given to witness the events that as yet haven't occurred, so apparently, there is no binding of time there. So while to us the judgment may take thousands of years, to time here, what, a day is as a thousand years? And a thousand years as a day? We may experience what seems a great passing of time, virtually none may pass here on earth.

 

Basically from scripture, all we know is that it MUST occur, it would seem, before Jesus returns to earth to reign. So, as I said before, it coukd be taking place surrently as believers die and go to Heaven, or it could all be at once after the rapture, and may take no time at all by earth's reckoning. Again, not seeing the prOBlem.

 

We seem to run often on long-term assumptions: the judgment seat of Christ as a huge auditorium full of all belevers of all time, waiting their turn. That's not scirpture, and honestly, I would think maybe the Lord would be a bit more efficient than this. Why have people in heaven for 2000, 1000, 100 years, waiting around doing who-knows-what, and wait to judge them all at one time? Why not assume the Lord is wise enough to judge them as they come?  The only judgments that are clearly shown to occur at one time, are the GWT judgmet and the judgment of the nations. Once a believer dies, what's the wait? 

   And again, we are trying to put linear constraints on that which will prOBably NOT be subject to such. Again, assumptions is really what we are talking about in this subject-I have just chosen to stop assuming and study the Bible. NOTHING says we won't be present on earth during the tribulation period. Nothing. Assumption. NOWHERE di we see anything that looks vaguely like a catching up of the saints anywhere in scripture except Rev 14-assumption that it takes place at an unspecified time causes us to soundly reject that and try to fit other meanings to it, or ignore it altogether.  Assumption that Matt 25 is only speaking of Jews causes us to reject that this is the rapture AFTER the days of great tribulation, and thus, an actual second rapture/resurrection that is really only part of the first, must then be fit into our theology."  ,

 

So maybe tell me why you assume all believers must be judged at one time for the works of their lives. Tell me why there is an assumption that perhaps there won't be time, if time appears to mean nothing in scripture.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

Where do you see the rapture occurring before the wrath in chapter 6?

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Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Where do you see the rapture occurring before the wrath in chapter 6?
Rev 6:16-17 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? "Shall be able is future". They are looking up at the Lamb in the Sky, realizing that the Wrath is finally come, it is here. This is kick- off day. The Piper is here to be payed. The dung is here, to hit the fan. Chapter 7 begins the pouring out. After the Saints, who are not appointed to Wrath, are gathered unto the bridegroom. Anishinaabe
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Rev 6:16-17 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? "Shall be able is future". They are looking up at the Lamb in the Sky, realizing that the Wrath is finally come, it is here. This is kick- off day. The Piper is here to be payed. The dung is here, to hit the fan. Chapter 7 begins the pouring out. After the Saints, who are not appointed to Wrath, are gathered unto the bridegroom. Anishinaabe

 

So everyone is upset with each other over chapter 4:1 vs chapter 6:16?

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Covenanter,

the only prOBlem with your nice little treatise here is those pesky little words in the Holy Bible.  Israel is NOT enjoying peace right now.  Israel is NOT the head of the Nations.  Christ is NOT reigning from Jerusalem.  Isaiah 11 has NOT come to pass, with a regenerated animal kingdom that lives in peace with each other, as it was in the Garden of Eden.  The promises of Scripture are that Jesus Christ would return to this earth PHYSICALLY, and reign over the entire planet with "a rod of iron."  Revelation 20 specifically states that this reign would last for 1,000 years - and it says that SIX TIMES. 

 

Pesky little words - starting with Rev. 1 - things which must shortly come to pass; ..... for the time is at hand. OBviously not 2000 years in the distant future. And what about the 70 weeks (generally understood as 70x7 years) - the OBvious end point by literal arithmetic is 7 years after Jesus anointing - when the Jewish leaders were denounced as "uncircumcised" & the Gospel was opened to the Gentiles without circumcision. Jesus takes up that prophecy & relates it to the destruction. 40 years of grace followed the end of the 70 weeks.

 

And what happens to pottery when it is ruled with a rod of iron? And the grapes -

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God

 

I don't know about you, but I think that the Lord is not a liar, and that the Lord says what He means, and means what He says.  So if the Lord says that Christ will return to the earth and reign over a kingdom on this earth PHYSICALLY for 1,000 years prior to the NH&NE....well, I kinda think that He meant what He said, and that it will  come to pass literally...just like He said.  Anything less than a literal fulfillment of the words in Revelation 20 makes God a liar.

 

Of course God is NOT a liar but where do you read the words you confidently assert the Lord says? The present millennium (now 2x1000 years) shows that God is gracious, allowing abundant time for repentance.

 

We are right back to the same old prOBlem.  I believe that every single word of Scripture is true, and we cannot change one word to fit our theology.  Your system is constantly overlooking words, redefining words, or simply ignoring the plain meaning of the words. 

 

Why then do you change "souls" to read bodily resurrection? Do you reject what John sees & records? Do YOU make God a liar? I'm sure you do not, but you DO overlook the plain meaning of words.

 

Just because Peter quotes the OT in Acts 2 and Acts 3 does not mean that those verses literally came to pass - they OBviously did NOT.  They were expecting Christ to return to the EARTH - as promised by the angels in Acts 1!  Did Christ return to the earth? NOT YET.  And until Christ returns to the earth, there remains a ton of prophecies to be fulfilled.

 

They OBviously DID come to pass, literally - thousands of Jews repented & formed the church, at first comprising only believing Israelites, but the leaders rejected the Gospel of grace - & perished. And when he does come, ALL will be fulfilled to perfection. And of course the promises to Abraham are fulfilled by the salvation of Jews & Gentile as one redeemed people of God.  All being prepared for the perfect new creation of Isaiah 11.

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Candlelight,

 

I am sorry if I triggered some bad memories for you.  That was not my intention. I just said a common saying that is filled with truth, and did not realize it would trigger negative thoughts. 

 

No, it is not word for word from the Bible, but each of the three statements is true.

That's alright, KOB.  I know it was not your intention.  It is part of my testimony.  Since we will be in Scotland twice a year, I must strengthen and prepare myself for what lies ahead in the next 1 1/2 years.  I am more concerned about my sister.  She loved watching ghost stories growing up.  I didn't.  She visits haunted houses and talks with mediums.  It is upsetting to hear, as she is a devout RCC.  She has had the gospel shared with her so many times.  She actually lives in the Bible Belt of OH.  I thought she got saved, years ago, before me in fact (when I was being spiritually drawn), but she follows this pope and everything that has to do with the RCC.  She comes up to Cleveland, once a week, and goes to the Jesuit Retreat House for classes on the east side of town.  I don't think I need to tell you that the Jesuits are the "hit men" or murderers in the RCC.  Would you please pray for her salvation?  Just send me a private message and I will tell you her name.  :)   

While it is a common saying, filled with truth, I would still like to see the actually words, in any Bible, on earth.  BTW, what kind of Baptist church did you go to growing up?  I can't remember.  Thanks in advance:)        

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Pesky Little words

Rev. 1:1 "...things which must shortly come to pass..."

1.  Did everything in Revelation come to pass?  Not by a long shot.  Now your theology DEMANDS that it DID, so you invent creative interpretations of Revelation make it appear that most of the book is in the past.  But it is quite clear that the vast majority of Revelation has NOT come to pass. 

2.  This phrase is easily resolved with II Peter 3:8, "But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Two thoughts here:

a.  This is such an important concept that Peter draws our attention to it by reminding us that we are not to be ignorant of this fact.  So pay attention!  The Lord counts time differently than we do!  Don't be ignorant of this! 

b.  If II Peter 3:8 is true, then 2,000 years on our time scale is only 2 days to the Lord.  So "things which must shortly come to pass" on God's time table of 2 days is nothing.

 

Now, you did a lot of fancy dancing up there in your last post, but you completely overlooked some important words. 

For Instance:

Acts 1:11 "...this same Jesus...shall so come in like manner..." 

The promise given was that Jesus Christ would return physically and visibly to THIS EARTH, and that He would be seen PHYSICALLY by men. 

That has not yet happened.  The promise is not about the NH&NE - it is referring to THIS earth, prior to the NH&NE.

 

Second,

You say the prophecies quoted by PEter in Acts 2-3 were literally fulfilled.  The evidence you gave is twofold: (1) He quoted the prophets, therefore they must have been fulfilled; (2) Jews and jewish proselytes were saved.

PrOBlem: (1) As I stated, just because Peter quoted the OT Prophets does not mean that the fulfillment came true.  It is OBvious from a plain reading of the text, with no theological bias, that the prophecies did NOT come true literally.

(2) The OT prophecies had nothing to do with people getting saved.  The OT prophecies were about the Jewish Messiah appearing visibly ON EARTH, and establishing a physical kingdom, and reigning over the entire planet from Jerusalem.  This has not been fulfilled.  Your responses concerning Christ ruling from Heaven deny the plain text of OT Scripture of Christ reigning on the EARTH, which is what the Jews were looking for - and quite deservedly.  (Acts 1:6).

 

Third

You never addressed Revelation 19 - the return of Christ to the earth - this present earth - in a physical body, and establishing a physical Kingdom. 

You never addressed the fact that the phrase "one thousand years" is repeated SIX TIMES in Revelation 20 - that is a very specific number.  The heavy repetition only emphasizes the fact that the number is not a generic term for "a long time" but rather a specific statement as to the duration of Christ's reign on THIS EARTH prior to the establishment of the NH&NE.  This present universe is not destroyed until AFTER this 1,000 year reign of Christ - Rev. 20:10-15, II Peter 3:8-13. 

 

How did I come to this conclusion?  By simply reading the text, and believing what it says, as it says it, where it says it.  I did not change one thing, invent one thing, add one thing, or subtract one thing.  I did not invent any crazy definitions - I let the words stand as they are in the text.  Let's forget about trying to figure out what the text "means" and just let it say what it says! 

 

You can respond if you want to, but I prOBably won't....too much going on.

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So everyone is upset with each other over chapter 4:1 vs chapter 6:16?

Chapter 4:1 isn't a prophecy, it isn't a metaphor, it is a chronicle of an actual event that happened to one man, unless the Scripture gives us reason to believe otherwise.

The argument is over rightly dividing the word of truth.

Some want to take the plain words in Matthew 24, and assign them to some dispensation, as if Jesus told men who were going to turn the world upside down some information that they, the Apostles of the Church, would not need.
In essence, they are charging Jesus with lying to the 12.

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I am sure that the 12 apostles assumed that the words Jesus spoke to them in Matthew 24 were directed at them, and that they would see these events come to pass in their lifetime. 

Guess what?  Those events did NOT come to pass in their lifetime.  John continues the Revelation after all of the apostles were dead and gone, himself excepted.  Therefore, we must conclude that the events of Matthew 24 are still in the future.  No amount of historical twisting will fix that.

 

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Chapter 4:1 isn't a prophecy, it isn't a metaphor, it is a chronicle of an actual event that happened to one man, unless the Scripture gives us reason to believe otherwise.

The argument is over rightly dividing the word of truth.

Some want to take the plain words in Matthew 24, and assign them to some dispensation, as if Jesus told men who were going to turn the world upside down some information that they, the Apostles of the Church, would not need.
In essence, they are charging Jesus with lying to the 12.

Anishinaabe

Matthew24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

What about the ones who do not make it to the end? They would be lost?

 

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Why is fleeing on Saturday bad for a Christian?

 

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;

Aren't we looking for a rapture up in the sky? Why would we be looking for him on earth?

 

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Israelis are looking for him on earth, right?

 

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

If these two are Christians why is one taken and one left? The one that is left what happens to him/her?

 

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Do Christians lose their salvation?

 

 

(This thread started out with the rapture being Revelation 14:14&15, how did it become Revelation 6:16?)

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I am sure that the 12 apostles assumed that the words Jesus spoke to them in Matthew 24 were directed at them, and that they would see these events come to pass in their lifetime.
Guess what? Those events did NOT come to pass in their lifetime. John continues the Revelation after all of the apostles were dead and gone, himself excepted. Therefore, we must conclude that the events of Matthew 24 are still in the future. No amount of historical twisting will fix that.

IN Christ,

I'm not sure what you mean here.
If you mean, that Matthew 24 was exactly this:

Mat 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

An answer to the disciples prayer...

Then yes, I agree.

They asked about His coming and the end of the World.

Both still future, in 2014.

If you mean something else, I don't get it.

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Matthew24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
What about the ones who do not make it to the end? They would be lost?

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Why is fleeing on Saturday bad for a Christian?

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;
Aren't we looking for a rapture up in the sky? Why would we be looking for him on earth?

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Israelis are looking for him on earth, right?

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
If these two are Christians why is one taken and one left? The one that is left what happens to him/her?

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Do Christians lose their salvation?


(This thread started out with the rapture being Revelation 14:14&15, how did it become Revelation 6:16?)

The chronology in Rev. repeats.

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The Gospels were not written to "the church", they were written to Israel.

If you want to read what is specifically written to "the church", read Paul's Epistles.

This is where the 4th Century Catholic church "went wrong" and continue to this very day.

Replacement Theology "remnants" are found throughout the Protestant demoninations as well.

There will be God's servants of the house of Israel (genetic Israelites) preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom during the Tribulation.

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The Gospels were not written to "the church", they were written to Israel.

If you want to read what is specifically written to "the church", read Paul's Epistles.

This is where the 4th Century Catholic church "went wrong" and continue to this very day.

Replacement Theology "remnants" are found throughout the Protestant demoninations as well.

There will be God's servants of the house of Israel (genetic Israelites) preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom during the Tribulation.

You should post a thread "gospel of the kingdom vs gospel of grace" "Peter vs Paul" Israelis vs Gentiles.

Matthew15:24

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