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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Hebrews 13
 25  Grace be with you all. Amen.

nice stretch but no cigar.  Read the two places where Paul tells us about his own hand.  it is more than Grace be with you. 

 

first Locate the Salutation Try looking in the beginning of the book that is where the salutation will be found.  He will write about it at the end as proof of his writing even if another man penned it.

 

Compare each introduction of all his epistles to the churches and individuals and then compare it to the beginning of Hebrews. 

 

What was that about "grace be with you always"?

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nice stretch but no cigar.  Read the two places where Paul tells us about his own hand.  it is more than Grace be with you. 

 

first Locate the Salutation Try looking in the beginning of the book that is where the salutation will be found.  He will write about it at the end as proof of his writing even if another man penned it.

 

Compare each introduction of all his epistles to the churches and individuals and then compare it to the beginning of Hebrews. 

 

What was that about "grace be with you always"?

 

And could you then point out to me where he says that in EVERY other epistle attributed to him?

 

The Grace be with you, or some other variant is in almost all the others - I simply assumed that was what you were referring to, as the actual verse you quoted has no phrase common to all Paul's Gospels........

 

And I don't mind not getting a cigar - I don't smoke.......

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You do know that title is not inspired right?

 

Yes, I do, but it suggests that the church knew who had written it.

 

My father wrote a treatise giving reasons why Paul taught it.  If I can find it, I may post it, but it is rather long.

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And could you then point out to me where he says that in EVERY other epistle attributed to him?

 

The Grace be with you, or some other variant is in almost all the others - I simply assumed that was what you were referring to, as the actual verse you quoted has no phrase common to all Paul's Gospels........

 

And I don't mind not getting a cigar - I don't smoke.......

As I pointed out Salutations are in the beginning of the letters.  the are the introductory greetings he put in each of his letters where he Identified himself and quite possibly wrote each one himself in his own hand.  He doesn't have to say it in every epistle for it to be true but he did in at least two and we can OBserve his salutations in all his letters.

 

i.e. Roms 1:1-7; 1Cor 1:1-3; 2Cor 1:1-2 Etc Etc Etc found at the beginning of each letter but you wont find that in Hebrews.

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Paul's main calling may have been to the Gentiles, but he always went to the Synagogue first


 

Not "always" he stopped going to them first at a point.  This does not mean he stopped going to them altogether but rather he no longer prioritized taking the Gospel to them first.  Many believe it was at this point Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. (context and Scriptures already reveal he was the apostle to the Gentile and took a new Gospel ((not the kingdom gospel)) to them). 

 

Some men divide the scriptures of the letters of Paul according to when he stopped going to the Jew first.  It is an interesting division but not necessarily of any real importance as some would claim.

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As I pointed out Salutations are in the beginning of the letters. the are the introductory greetings he put in each of his letters where he Identified himself and quite possibly wrote each one himself in his own hand.

------He doesn't have to say it in every epistle for it to be true but he did in at least two and we can OBserve his salutations in all his letters.-------


i.e. Roms 1:1-7; 1Cor 1:1-3; 2Cor 1:1-2 Etc Etc Etc found at the beginning of each letter but you wont find that in Hebrews.


But your argument is that it is missing from Hebrews - now you say it doesn't have to be in every one?

I don't much care - I have already said that personally I think Paul is most likely, but I see some phrases that I think are inconsistent.

Paul is A POSSIBILITY, but since the Bible shows no clear signs we can not be categorical.
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I don't know which bible you say uses 'new testament' (only?) from Paul and the author of Hebrews, but this is an interesting part of the discussion.

Ever look up the word 'covenant' in the new testament?

It is in the KJV 20 times. Mostly in Hebrews. Chapter 9 has a bunch of the word 'testament', and chapter 8 has just as much and more of the word 'covenant'.

So I don't get it? Why even go there?

 

As for the perversions, we shouldn't even go there either, they do not matter.

But if you compare the 1560 Geneva Bible to the 1611 KJV, you see an interesting comparison.

 

KJV has the word 'testament' in it 13 times, and the word 'covenant' 20 times.

Geneva has the word 'testament' 25 times, and the word 'covenant' times. (Yet the 'notes' lean only toward 'Covenant Theology' and don't touch the 'Dispensationalist' view.)

 

I looked them both up in these 2 sources of Greek - Nestles 23rd Critical Apparatus (perversion base) and Beza's 1598 Textus Receptus (the Greek underlying the English AV1611.)

They read identical for both words- "diatheke", and this word is used in the Greek for both words 'covenant' and 'testament'.

(Except where the few times the verses experience interlocution by the translators from Greek into English.)

 

So that would kinda make one think that the KJV was for Covenant Theology?

And the Geneva for Dispensationalists? ( even though the translators were 'partial preterists' in the notes?)

 

Just in case nOBody read this before.

I like it.  :clapping:

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A quote of Pastor Steve speaking to Invicta

 

"yes the title in many KJV editions says it was Paul who wrote it, but not all editions carry that title.  As DaveW said, the title is not inspired - the text of Scripture is.  And again, this only demonstrates the difficulties the book presents, as we are not even 100% sure that Paul wrote it.  I personally think he did - but very early.  And the title says it all - If Paul did write it (and I think he did), he did not write it to any local church, or the pastor of a local church, as all of his other epistles are.  He wrote it to the Hebrews.

Further, when I said "Pauline Epistles" I defined that as Romans-Philemon, so your point is moot anyway."

Personally I too believe Paul was the author.  He may have wrote it early or later.  while he was not writing to the church that is the Body of Christ, he was in fact writing it under inspiration to the church in the wilderness, the church of the firstborn which is Israel Jewish believers of the kingdom gospel. 

 

Hebrews is a hinge book or as others call it a "transition" book from one age to another,in this case church age to JacOB's trouble.  Acts is also a hinge book going from the preparation for the Kingdom to the church age.  Many a man stumbles in these books because they fail to recognize to whom and the what and the hows of these books.  and that is just saying it simply.  Steve is correct, men will break their theological necks when dealing with the book of Hebrews and usually because they want to wrongly join scripture rather than rightly divide it.  

 

Interestingly enough is that the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace which shows the individual forgiveness of sins by the cross and not just the corporate salvation that is seen in the Kingdom Gospel and the books in which that is taught, are joined together in the book of Hebrews.  This has led some men to Identify this as a modified Kingdom Gospel, and to some degree I agree with this OBservation.

 

But again Hebrews is a book that will cause many to err by not knowing the scriptures.    

 

you can find in Matthew Doctrines needed for entering the kingdom age applies to the four gospel books and part of the book of Acts.  In Romans, Doctrines for entering the Church Age which will apply to the epistles of Paul  through Philemon.  Hebrews you find doctrine for entering the Great Tribulation and carry over unto Revelation 19.

 

Each one of these hinge books sets up the doctrine to be followed for the age in which they represent.

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But your argument is that it is missing from Hebrews - now you say it doesn't have to be in every one?

I don't much care - I have already said that personally I think Paul is most likely, but I see some phrases that I think are inconsistent.

Paul is A POSSIBILITY, but since the Bible shows no clear signs we can not be categorical.

I think you just mis understood what I was saying.  what does not need to be in everyone is his "stating that his salutations are in all his epistles".   1Co 16:21 The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.  2Th 3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.

 

While Hebrews does not have a salutation that is indicative of Paul.  I personally think he wrote it but for other reasons and I feel he does not want to identify himself with it as it is for a later time and not the church age.

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I think you just mis understood what I was saying. what does not need to be in everyone is his "stating that his salutations are in all his epistles". 1Co 16:21 The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand. 2Th 3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.

While Hebrews does not have a salutation that is indicative of Paul. I personally think he wrote it but for other reasons and I feel he does not want to identify himself with it as it is for a later time and not the church age.


Ahhh OK.

You see I thought you were referring to:
2 Thes 3
 17  The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.

 18  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Referring to the closing remark which he does write in every Epistle in some form. All - I think - his letters have this or a variation of this.

But Peter also uses it on occasion.

And that is in Hebrews.

crossed wires...... ;)
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Ahhh OK.

You see I thought you were referring to:
2 Thes 3
 17  The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.

 18  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Referring to the closing remark which he does write in every Epistle in some form. All - I think - his letters have this or a variation of this.

But Peter also uses it on occasion.

And that is in Hebrews.

crossed wires...... ;)

But a salutation is a greeting remark in letters not closing remarks.  though in some closing remarks You I and even Paul wll remember and ask to say hello or greet someone.  But by and large salutations in letters are found in the beginning or start of a letter.

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      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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