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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

How Old Is The Earth


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I know there are differences of opinions on this subject so let's not lose fellowship over this.  This is just my own work through the Bible.

 

How Old is the Earth?

 

In order to get a true Idea of how old the Earth is we must compare spiritual things with spiritual. God’s word shows us a creation of the earth where the morning stars sang at it’s creation.

 

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Now this would put the creation of Angelic beings like arch-angels, angles, cherubims, seraphim and cherubs before the earth’s creation. There are some who puts the creation of these during the six days work of God which is after the second beginning of Proverbs 8:23 during the time of Genesis 1:3-31.

Proverbs 8:22-24 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.  I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.  When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

 

I believe Proverbs 8:22 – 24 gives us the Chronology of the creation of the Earth, depths and Fountains of Water.  There is one creation and two beginnings, One that is the Beginning of God’s way and the other is the beginning of his creation process prior to Gen 1:2 & 3 which could have taken place far before the Gen 1:2 events because what ever it was it took place after the Fountains of Water were created and as these fountains contained the water prior to some Judgement event which I link to Lucifer, a cherub who was a morning star and a son of God who was created before the earth was. Because in Gen 1:2 we find the water not in fountains but covering the face of the deep.

 

Both beginnings link together but what is unique in Proverbs there is no firmament mentioned only depths (heaven) which describes the vastness and quality not the quantity.

 

Also, The morning stars, in the context of Job, have a connection with the original creation of the earth in second beginning point of Proverbs 8:23 and not Genesis 1:3-31 and in order for them to be there at that creation they had to be made or created before the earth and not after. You will also see in verse 8 of Job that Job is asked, Job 38:8-11 who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?  When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling-band for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,  And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Which puts this portion if it is chronologically preserved sometime after Gen1:2 but before Gen1:3. Now remember the some want to connect this with Genesis 1:3-31 not before. the some want to make day one start at verse one of Genesis and not after the light appeared and a 23hr.56min day was established. Please don’t get this wrong I don’t believe in Evolution, or a pre-Adamic race of humanoids, I believe the fossil record is that of Noah’s flood and not before.

 

Now we need to ask a question what is a swaddeling band?  A swaddling-band is something that absorbs the water of a birth it is placed round about the birthing stool to keep the water from going everywhere (context of verse 8). Verse 10 holds a key look closely, and “brake up IT my decreed place” the it is the word of God a creation of something that was broken, it was a decreed place. I believe it was the fountains abounding with water found in Proverbs 8:24. Something caused God’s decreed place for water (in fountains) to be broken, something that would not go against Gods nature or his Holiness. that something I believe was his justice and execution of his judgement upon Lucifer and the his angels all of which falls under God’s wisdom. Once they were dealt with, God turned to the deep and we find him moving upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2. but to be fair thick darkness being made for it could also allude to the firmament But I think it refers to the darkness that went forth at his justice and judgement of Lucifer’s sin. But the Morning stars in Job 38:7are not connected to this event of water that breaks forth, but to the creation of the Earth in its original form before the breaking forth of Gods Decreed place and a thick darkness a swaddling band is made.

 

You see when I kept the context of Job 38:7-10 and rightly divided I was able to show that the Morning stars were connected to the earth’s original creation as chronologically laid out in Proverbs 8:22-24, before the breaking forth of God’s decreed place, this breaking God’s decreed place is representative of two things 1) the release of water from the fountains of which they were first contained in Prov 8:24(a decreed place) and 2) the angles that left their first estate also broke God’s decreed place for them.

 

So having considered the spiritual with the spiritual it is safe to say the earth is older than 6,000 years. But I would not label it millions of years before the six day work of God found in Gen1:3-31. It would be hard to say how long for the 24/7 we are used to was not established until Gen 1:3-5. Measurement of time before that was connected with eternity not our 23hr.56min seven day week 365 day year or the 28 day moon cycle. Our minds do not understand nor comprehend eternity or from everlasting as a time measurement but if I had to guess I would say no more than one general dispensation of our Bible which would be 1,000 years, and no less than a day according to the time measurement God established for man in Gen 1:3-5 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  Exodus 20:11 is speaking of God making the earth habitable for man after a flood of judgement had left it uninhabitable this was the six day work of God which starts at Genesis 1:3-31. The key there to understand the Exodus 20:11 verse is the words “six days” these are six 23hr 56 min days, no days existed as we know days until after the first day established in Gen1:3-5. Even a casual reading of Gen 1 will tell you that the heaven and earth were created before the establishment of Days, and the grammar both of Hebrew and English does not indicated that Gen1:1, 2 were part of the first day.

 

Remember IF the earth was created void and dark and incomplete what were the morning stars singing about? This is key to understanding that the heaven and the earth were created from sometime from everlasting,. Days were set up after Gen 1:2 the heaven and earth were already created, the six days that follow were to make the earth habitable for man whom God created on the sixth day.  By this we know that the earth is older than 6,000 and that the system of man setup in Genesis 1 is no more that 7,000 year old.

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#1 "Sons of God", in the Word of God, are specifically defined as being believers. (John 1:12. Romans 8:14, 8:19, 1John 3:1, 3:2

#2 Angels cannot be "sons of God". (Hebrews 1:5)

#3 Lucifer was a "son of the morning" not morning star.(Isaiah 14:12),

#4 The term "morning star"(singular) represents Jesus. (Rev. 22:16)

#5 "Morning stars"(plural) sang when a "cornerstone" was laid.........

 

 

The "heartstrings theory"

((******Theory********))

In Job 38 the "morning stars" could include the 12 disciples(except Judas Iscariot) and "all the sons of God" are all believers from all time, past present and future. The "cornerstone" is Jesus Christ, laid in Zion, and Bro. Job, being also a "son of God", was there shouting with the rest of them(including us) when it happened because it is a future event which, from God's perspective, has already happened.......AND the reason Job couldn't "declare" as to the question "where was thou" was because Job, did not have that "understanding" yet because Job did not have the complete Word of God as we do.        remember........ theory.... and here are more verses which may refer to it..

.Isa 51:16

And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
 

Isa 28:28

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
 

Eph 2:20

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
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Oh yes, none of us know the age of the earth. Some say that between Genesis1:1 and Genesis 1:2 , that God cast Lucifer to the earth, which contaminated it, turning it to a formless wasteland and creating Hell at the same time.  The Lord Jesus, being the Creator, said he "beheld" Satan fall like lighting to the earth.

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Exodus 20:11 For IN SIX DAYS the LORD made HEAVEN and EARTH, the SEA, and ALL THAT IN THEM IS, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:11 completely destroys the "old Earth" theory.  The Earth was created within that six day period... on the first day.

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Exodus 20:11 For IN SIX DAYS the LORD made HEAVEN and EARTH, the SEA, and ALL THAT IN THEM IS, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:11 completely destroys the "old Earth" theory.  The Earth was created within that six day period... on the first day.

Isn't "created" referring to something made from nothing and "made" used when something is made from something that exists already? Such as Adam made from the dust?

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Even if they are not interchangeable, there is no indication of a gap in genesis ch 1, and there is no need of one.

Genesis 1
 1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

 4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

 5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In the beginning God created heaven and earth, then description of that heaven and earth.
at vs 5 He tells us it was the end of the first day.

Don't see what is so hard about it.
No gap is stated, no gap is implied, the language structure actually doesn't allow a gap, and there is no Biblical need for a gap here.

Why do people want to put a gap where God so plainly does not indicate one?

It is not even that God is silent about it - there is simply no biblical nor linguistic room for a gap.

Yes God doesn't say "By the way there is no Gap here", but that is because there is no need.

it would be like saying that my wife could be someone else's wife because all I said is "She's my wife" but I didn't state categorically that she is not anyone else's wife.
There is no need: the statement "She's my wife" is a complete statement and implies that she is not anyone else's wife.

God's statements with regard to creation are complete and there is no need for Him to rule out a gap - the lack of Gap is implied in the stating of six days, the very words and syntax used, and simply in the information given.

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Isn't "created" referring to something made from nothing and "made" used when something is made from something that exists already? Such as Adam made from the dust?

Gen 6:7 the Lord said He "created from the face of the earth" Adam.

Gen 2:22 says woman was "made"

Gen 5:1 calls man "created" and "made"

 

Our Lord used them interchangeably.

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"It is not even that God is silent about it - there is simply no biblical nor linguistic room for a gap."  I would agree with the biblical; but the 'linguistic' is way above this ole country boy's head.

 

5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    If we looked real - real - hard we could find a gap between evening and morning (nighttime) and between morning and evening (afternoon)!!!! Now we have to deal with 3 gap theories. :eureka:  I think I need a vacation.

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AVBibleBeliever said:

 

Also, The morning stars, in the context of Job, have a connection with the original creation of the earth in second beginning point of Proverbs 8:23 and not Genesis 1:3-31 and in order for them to be there at that creation they had to be made or created before the earth and not after. You will also see in verse 8 of Job that Job is asked, Job 38:8-11 who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?  When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling-band for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,  And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Which puts this portion if it is chronologically preserved sometime after Gen1:2 but before Gen1:3. Now remember the some want to connect this with Genesis 1:3-31 not before. the some want to make day one start at verse one of Genesis and not after the light appeared and a 23hr.56min day was established. Please don’t get this wrong I don’t believe in Evolution, or a pre-Adamic race of humanoids, I believe the fossil record is that of Noah’s flood and not before.

 

Now we need to ask a question what is a swaddeling band?  A swaddling-band is something that absorbs the water of a birth it is placed round about the birthing stool to keep the water from going everywhere (context of verse 8). Verse 10 holds a key look closely, and “brake up IT my decreed place” the it is the word of God a creation of something that was broken, it was a decreed place. I believe it was the fountains abounding with water found in Proverbs 8:24. Something caused God’s decreed place for water (in fountains) to be broken, something that would not go against Gods nature or his Holiness. that something I believe was his justice and execution of his judgement upon Lucifer and the his angels all of which falls under God’s wisdom. Once they were dealt with, God turned to the deep and we find him moving upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2. but to be fair thick darkness being made for it could also allude to the firmament But I think it refers to the darkness that went forth at his justice and judgement of Lucifer’s sin. But the Morning stars in Job 38:7are not connected to this event of water that breaks forth, but to the creation of the Earth in its original form before the breaking forth of Gods Decreed place and a thick darkness a swaddling band is made.

I think you may be over-thinking this. this is not so much speaking of the ses, but the earth as a whole. The Lord mentions the seas, with the boundaries He placed upon them, and then moves to the clouds which incircle the earth "as a swaddling band"-the clouds circle the earth tightly, and contain water in them-they hold the moisture that evaporates from the waters on the earth, so its not lost, but later returns again to earth. The whole thing is about the creation, nothing more. Isn't this what a swaddling band does? Absorbs moisture?

 

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.  (Earth is the subject of this, the creation of the planet)

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? (the sea is mentioned but in relation to its bounds upon the earth)
When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,   (The clouds absorb moisture, which is then rained again on the earth)
And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,  ("It" is the waters, broke up the land and put waters upon it, in their boundaries, bars and doors)
And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?" (Again, the boundaries of the seas are set, but earth is stil the base subject)
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Entropy and God.

entropy, God and gravity. It has been observed, as I understand it, to bend with the grvaity of stars and planets. It has also been slowede and stopped completely in the lab, and stored, then released. so no, light speed isn't constant, or at least there's enough evidence to prove it isn't reliable as a constant.

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I chose to believe in a gap.  If you do not agree that is fine but let's not attack each other for my personal view.  the issue of a Gap is a non-essential issue and is of no cause to divide or hurt our relationship as Christians.

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you cannot have a beginning of a day without light. and that did not come until after the earth and the heaven were created in verse three.  The first day of the six day work of God started in verse 3 not verse one.

 

The only cross reference of without form and void is about a place that had been built and then had been destroyed and it was Jerusalem.  Get out your concordance and search for yourselves to see if this is true to the scriptures.

 

A key thing to remember is that the Bible does not contain Everything in it.  The Bible has only what we as men need for life and godliness (1Peter)  There is very little shared in the word of God about things that took place from everlasting and to everlasting.  With this I mean before the spirit is found moving upon the waters in Gen 1:2(pl) and after the earth and heaven is destroyed and the New Jerusalem comes to the earth Revelation (21).

 

We know very little about cherubs, Cherubims, Seraphim's, Archangles and angles.  these were created before the six day work of God here on the earth.

 

I know that this is a heated debate for some of you but please try and remain civil. and remember this is not an issue that affects our salvation if we agree or disagree.

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Picking up from the other thread to this one...what's hard to understand about the Genesis account of creation? If we are to see a gap God could make that clear, yet the wording in Genesis clearly lays out a literal six day creation.

 

You seem to be assuming many things in the post above and then trying to fit them into some gap which isn't presented.

 

It's true, God doesn't tell us everything, and it's also true (Deuteronomy 29:29) that we are to give our attention to the things God has told us and not to concern ourselves with what He hasn't.

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    • Bro. West  »  BrotherTony

      The original question by Brother Tony was about Peter being wrong in Acts two. Peter is responsible only for the light God gave him at that point. Later God gave him more light as in Acts 10. He is not the only one to have this happen Apollos (Acts 19:1-7) He was re baptized, why because he did not reject more light given to him.
      Cornelius was another who went by the light that he had, but when Peter spoke to him he received that light, in fact Peter may have received light himself not only about the gentiles, but that the Holy Spirit was given before baptism. (Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Act 10:47) This is different than Acts 2:38.
      My main point is that the book of Acts is a book of progressive revelation and to rest your doctrine now on Acts two will produce damnable heresies. I know this first hand as being a member of the “Church of Christ” in good old Tennessee as a youth. I could of died and went to hell. Here in Indiana we have plenty that place the plan of salvation in Acts two. No, I am your Brother and not a MR. West, that is if you believe what Peter said again: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:18. This is the ministry of reconciliation spoke by Paul.
      So let me “TROLL” on out of here. Yours Brother West.
       
       
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