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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man


Jeffrey

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To be honest, your not offended, Are you falling into sin by drinking because of these posts? because that what the Bible is talking about. It's not what is getting you mad, which I believe is the case, but are you falling into sin of getting drunk because I am drinking?

all you are showing me and the other posters is that you are trying to control other peoples actions by claiming weaker brother. If it was getting ,mad meant weaker brother status, nothing would get done for Christ.

Grow up!

You are a false accuser of the brethren in claiming I am mad/angry.  You cannot add an emotion to my post because you cannot see my face or body language to make such an accusation.  You sin in accusing me of being mad/angry.  I have not been mad.angry in any of my posts.  Plus being mad/angry in not a sin in and of itself for we are commanded  Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
 

I am offended that you think it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages to glorify God.  that is your offense. 

 

And your posting should have never began as many weak and addicted type Christians will read it and see your claim of glorifying God in drinking alcoholic beverages and once again get entangled in sin.  You will be held in high accountability because of your teaching in this thread.  At this too I am offended.

 

This is my judgment you should not openly admit to drinking alcoholic beverages and advocate that doing so is to glorify God in public as it will weaken others as it already has.

 

And my brother you are the one who needs to grow up.

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You are a false accuser of the brethren in claiming I am mad/angry.  You cannot add an emotion to my post because you cannot see my face or body language to make such an accusation.  You sin in accusing me of being mad/angry.  I have not been mad.angry in any of my posts.  Plus being mad/angry in not a sin in and of itself for we are commanded  Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
 
I am offended that you think it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages to glorify God.  that is your offense. 
 
And your posting should have never began as many weak and addicted type Christians will read it and see your claim of glorifying God in drinking alcoholic beverages and once again get entangled in sin.  You will be held in high accountability because of your teaching in this thread.  At this too I am offended.
 
This is my judgment you should not openly admit to drinking alcoholic beverages and advocate that doing so is to glorify God in public as it will weaken others as it already has.
 
And my brother you are the one who needs to grow up.


And as it says in Romans, you are not the one to judge me for exercising my liberty, and I will do it in private before The Lord
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Where did The Lord take the blessing away?

IT IS NOT YOUR BLESSING TO CLAIM!  Your reading someone else's mail and claiming for yourself.

 

Duet is all connected to appointed feast worship for ISRAEL not a Christian Gentiles living in St Charles IL.

 

You twist the scriptures to make yourself a JEW under Mosaic Law to attend feasts at a place of worship that does not exist today.

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Besides you are only trying to control others lives, which is typical behavior of the IFB

I am not controlling anyone.

 

But I will not teach or advocate what you are promoting through this thread because I know it will lead many to sin

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Besides you are only trying to control others lives, which is typical behavior of the IFB


Wrong!! Not all "IFB" are the same. A solid, honestly Bible-believing IFB church is not controlling. If you think that the KJV is controlling, you have more issues than you have shown here.

There are many people who like to say "the church is controlling" or "the Bible is too strict," and twist scripture in order to justify their sins and make themselves feel good about whatever they think is right in their own eyes, as opposed to heeding the Bible (and not a modern perversion Bible either).
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Jeff will stand accountable to the Lord for this thread and as I know it will be a cause for some to fall into sin.  I do not believe this teaching is edifying nor strengthening for the body of Christ.  This will be used by the Devil to stumble and to snare weak Christians.  He is a teacher and will be held accountable even this day as the scriptures tell us his words here are an offense to the body of Christ and he has failed to see it in defense of being set free from RULES and REGULATIONS.  Judging us as, the servants of God, Pharisitical and judgemental while quoting Roms 14:3 that we should not judge him.  Hypocrite first remove the plank in your own eye.

 

James 3:1, 2 ¶ My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.   For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

 

Jeff has offended in word here in this thread and bring condemnation on himself and Judgement from the Lord for each one who is stumbles or offended at his words here recorded for the whole world to see.

 

You should have never started this thread Jeff for by doing your sin is laid bare before us and the Lord.  Your sin will find you out. and his judgement will come quickly.

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Jeffrey-if Boaz drank and was drunk, what is that to us? Is he our example?

 

If Israel was alowed, once per year, as part of a ritual of the law, to tithe a portion of their money through a festival where they ate and drank booze, again, what is that to us? Id Israel our example for our lives?

 

You asked us to show where in the NT we are told otherwise and I gave it to you-the verses given by Paul tell us the exact opposite. The festival says to seek after that for which the soul lusts/craves/desires, and Paul says not to seek after that which one lusts/craves/desires. And I would seek to be after Paul's example, than Israel's, who ultimately rejected their God and their Saviour.

 

By the way, in Duet 12:17, when the Jews were told to have the big party, they could not do it wherever they wanted-not only was it just oncer per year, but they had to do so in a special place: "Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:"  So, this is not some sweeping endorsement of boozing it up for Israel, but more likely a carefuly-monitored sowing of wild oats, as it were.

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But still, Rom 14 and collosians 2 is still in there, you are still stretching Scripture to try and fit your belief and make it say something it doesnt, Is there a place in church nobody is allowed to go but pastor once a year? you are judgung another mans servant when a brother partakes, isnt getting drunk, but yet , you call that sin,you heard of the Pharisees right, you know LUKE 7:34?

BTW, did Boaz sin?
Ruth 3:6 And she went down unto the floor, and did according to all that her mother in law bade her. 7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.


Hey Jeff, if I may suggest an answer to your question......

The fact his heart was merry does not necessarily mean he was drunk.
It could equally apply to the feelings of satisfaction one has after a lovely meal - the sleepiness after a lunchtime roast dinner.

I don't think it actually says he drank alcohol, although it is a possible assumption.

a hard day at work, a lovely filling comfort meal, a nice lie down, dropping into sleep, and then waking later to find.......

Just as possible - the inference of him sleeping into a drunken rest is an assumption, not an explicit statement.

A possible explanation.
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I am not controlling anyone.
 
But I will not teach or advocate what you are promoting through this thread because I know it will lead many to sin

By playing the "weaker brother" card, which you have to confess you are totes to drink, then claiming we need to stop, because you are offended, you are demanding we stop, when Biblically speaking, we can do then. Privately with God!, you are trying to control
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perhaps you can answer the question, where in Ruth 3 does it say what Boaz drank?
Just as you foolishly and sinfully attempt to put alcohol in the Lord's cup, you also foolishly And sinfully attempt to put it in the cup of Boaz.


Vs. 7. 7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.
I'm not saying he was drunk, but what would make his heart merry?
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Jeffrey-if Boaz drank and was drunk, what is that to us? Is he our example?
 
If Israel was alowed, once per year, as part of a ritual of the law, to tithe a portion of their money through a festival where they ate and drank booze, again, what is that to us? Id Israel our example for our lives?
 
You asked us to show where in the NT we are told otherwise and I gave it to you-the verses given by Paul tell us the exact opposite. The festival says to seek after that for which the soul lusts/craves/desires, and Paul says not to seek after that which one lusts/craves/desires. And I would seek to be after Paul's example, than Israel's, who ultimately rejected their God and their Saviour.
 
By the way, in Duet 12:17, when the Jews were told to have the big party, they could not do it wherever they wanted-not only was it just oncer per year, but they had to do so in a special place: "Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:"  So, this is not some sweeping endorsement of boozing it up for Israel, but more likely a carefuly-monitored sowing of wild oats, as it were.


Again, you are making false accusations like in Luke 7:34, by the very fact that Jesus made wine for a wedding, Paul speaks of it in Romans, Collosians, Timothy , Corinthians, shows that use was still ok,
Nobody has still shown me those verses in Romans and Collosians to point out my my mistake!
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Hey Jeff, if I may suggest an answer to your question......
The fact his heart was merry does not necessarily mean he was drunk.
It could equally apply to the feelings of satisfaction one has after a lovely meal - the sleepiness after a lunchtime roast dinner.
I don't think it actually says he drank alcohol, although it is a possible assumption.
a hard day at work, a lovely filling comfort meal, a nice lie down, dropping into sleep, and then waking later to find.......
Just as possible - the inference of him sleeping into a drunken rest is an assumption, not an explicit statement.
A possible explanation.


And I'm ok with that too, that could be a possibility.
I would need to look at it more
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Vs. 7. 7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.
I'm not saying he was drunk, but what would make his heart merry?

My heart is merry often after eating and drinking at an evening meal.  And we don't have alcohol in our house.

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