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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Can Your Kids Have Gay Friends?


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Sword, 

 

Would it be the right thing to do to disown your own child if she/he was gay?  I hope the answer is no.  How would you feel if your child was gay and all her/his friends stopped associating with her/him?  Why would we ask our child to disown a friend when that friend now needs them the most after they confessed?  Would they ever confess anything to anyone again?  Would they ever trust another Christian?

 

Now we're on a completely different topic that really could warrant an entire thread on its own because so many of the parameters are vastly different. To answer your first question, no, I would not disown one of my children if they chose a homosexual lifestyle anymore than if they chose the life of a drug dealer or a prostitute or whatever the deviant lifestyle is. I wouldn't let them bring home their gay lover any more than I'd let them bring home a bag of cocaine. Love and accept them as my children, yes. Accept and endorse their choice, absolutely not. If you want to delve into this topic deeper, I recommend starting another thread. I'm not going to get into it further in this one because it's a huge topic on its own that doesn't address the intent of the OP.

 

How would I feel about his friends abandoning him? For sure it'd be heartbreaking to see him go through that, but it's a natural consequence of the choice he made. If that trial is part of God's plan to correct him and bring him back to center, then so be it. Additionally, I am not responsible for the choices and feelings of other people's children in the way that I am responsible for my children. As a parent, my first responsibility is to raise my children in a manner that gives them the best chance at leading a God-honoring life. In that sense, and that sense only, the feelings of the other child are incosequential to me as a parent because I won't stand before God and give an account of how they were raised, but I will for how I raise my own kids. I have to take care of the well-being of my children before I worry about the children of others.

 

What the other child needs is not a friend that makes them feel secure in their choice, but the knowledge that their choice is unacceptable. It is no different than if my son's friend joined a gang and started doing drungs and dabbling in petty crime. There is no way I would allow him to continue to socialize with them. It would be just plain irresponsible as a parent. I'm in no way suggesting being unkind in any way to the other child. In fact, I think a loving conversation that explains the reason and nature of how their friendship is changing as a result their choice is a good thing, but that doesn't negate the need for the change.

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I think you've somewhat missed my point. On the first point, I specifically said it was a maxim (general truth of wisdom, just like a proverb) that wasn't necessarily inevitable but described the increase in likelihood. Talk to me in 10 years and tell me if your kids have ever been drunk (if they're inclined to tell you)...in 20 years...in 30 years...in 40 years...If they haven't, praise the Lord they successfully navigated that minefield of life!! I'll rejoice with you as if my it were my kids that never got drunk in their life. I plan to teach my children to avoid the minefield altogether. A topic for another forum I think.

 

On the rest of it...to a child, endorsement of the friendship is endorsement of a friend no matter how you slice it. You can tell your kids all day that a certain behavior their friend engages in is wrong but they don't see it that way. Friendships are black and white to them because they're emotionally based. What will happen is that the more the child sees that the friend is a "good person" (though there's no such thing according to the Bible, Rom 3:10-23, Mark 10:18) the more he/she will accept what the friend does and begin to disagree with you on whether their behavior is wrong. That's just the nature of child psychology. We're not talking about young adults here...we're talking about children, teenagers at best, who are in their formative years that will have great influence on their worldview.

 

I agree that there is a difference between being friendly and being a true friend, as you put it. Being friendly for the sake of sharing the Gospel is not what the OP was about. It was along the "true friend" line: "Can Your Kids Have Gay Friends?" is the title of the thread. To that I say no. If the question was, "Can Your Kids Be Friendly and Share the Gospel with Gay People?" my answer would have been an unequivocal yes.

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Then we would pretty much have to keep our kids from everyone.  Even those professing Christian kids at church who sometimes lie, disobey their parents, etc.  Why people focus on homosexuality the most is beyond me.  Homosexuality most times is one of those sins that are suppressed and doesn't come out until years later, such is the case with my daughter's friend.

 

Reminds me of the pentecostal religion.  My pentecostal friends when I was growing up were only to hang out with their pentecostal friends from church.  All that did was make them sneak behind their parents' backs.  Put makeup and pants on for school and change before they got home.  Sneak to the school dances and say they were going somewhere else or go to a friend's house to watch their TV.

 

To each household their own.  

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Why people focus on homosexuality the most is beyond me.  Homosexuality most times is one of those sins that are suppressed and doesn't come out until years later, such is the case with my daughter's friend.

 

In addition to the reason that it's the subject of the thread (as HappyChristian pointed out), what we're talking about is a choice for a lifestyle of willful sin, not a momentary or occasional/occasion-based sin. A lie is a choice to sin in that moment whereas homosexuality is a choice to perpetually sin. That's why I keep comparing it to the life of a drug dealer or prostitute. It's choice to constantly live contrary to God's word rather than a failure of the momentary situation.

 

Where you're mistaken is treating acts of disobedience to parents (which all kids must be taught not to do) the same as choosing to ignore the Word of God indefinitely and live in a way denies the sovereignty and holiness of God. Whether the other kid is a homosexual or a practicing witch they're both unacceptable lifestyles in the eyes of God and not something that we should allow to influence our children.

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A sin is a sin.  Some struggle with different sins more than others.  Some homosexuals don't even act on their sin and hide it.  Some kids are chronic, perpetual liars so it's not always done on occasion.  I realize what the subject of the thread is but just pointing out that homosexuality is no more a sin than any other, and if one chooses to hide it, some of you or your kids may be friends with one and don't even know it.  At least I know it and now I can deal with it. 

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A sin is a sin.  Some struggle with different sins more than others.  Some homosexuals don't even act on their sin and hide it.  Some kids are chronic, perpetual liars so it's not always done on occasion.  I realize what the subject of the thread is but just pointing out that homosexuality is no more a sin than any other, and if one chooses to hide it, some of you or your kids may be friends with one and don't even know it.  At least I know it and now I can deal with it. 

 

Certainly. If another child is habitually disobedient and rebellious I don't really want my children around them either. In fact I have 3 nephews who are so incredibly disrespectful and worldly and treat soccer as their god that I don't want my boys around them so much they want to emulate them.

 

The thing is, you can't spank the gay away because it is a life choice whereas disobedience is a choice of the moment. "Coming out" as gay is not an obedience issue. It is a public proclamation of "I don't care what God says, this is who I want be!" Is that the mindset you want your kids to associate with? I personally do not. I want my kids around people who proclaim "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ" and "Not my will, but Thine" even if they falter along the way.

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I agree that a sin is a sin is a sin.  However, I have heard that sexual sin carries with it the most consequences.  I don't know where in the Bible it says this, but I have heard it from Christians before.  Am I mistaken?

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"Coming out" as gay is not an obedience issue. It is a public proclamation of "I don't care what God says, this is who I want be!" Is that the mindset you want your kids to associate with? I personally do not. I want my kids around people who proclaim "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ" and "Not my will, but Thine" even if they falter along the way.

Not all of them want to be that way.  My child's friend didn't make a proclamation.  She made a confession.

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I agree that a sin is a sin is a sin.  However, I have heard that sexual sin carries with it the most consequences.  I don't know where in the Bible it says this, but I have heard it from Christians before.  Am I mistaken?

 

You're may be thinking of 1 Cor 6:18 - "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."

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You're may be thinking of 1 Cor 6:18 - "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."

 

That's the one, Sword.  Thank you!  Someone brought it to my attention, years ago.  I couldn't remember the scripture, then I thought maybe it wasn't in the Bible.  

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Not all of them want to be that way.  My child's friend didn't make a proclamation.  She made a confession.

 

Now we're on a completely different, and altogether more fundamental point on whether or not the Bible is the Word of God and therefore authoritative. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin, and particularly an abomination to God. If God calls it a sin and something he utterly hates, then it must a choice. If it's not a choice and people are just "born that way" then God forced someone to be something He finds utterly reprehensible and He is therefore responsible for that person being gay and they are not accountable for it, therefore it would not be sin. If it is sin, it is a choice.

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Now we're on a completely different, and altogether more fundamental point on whether or not the Bible is the Word of God and therefore authoritative. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin, and particularly an abomination to God. If God calls it a sin and something he utterly hates, then it must a choice. If it's not a choice and people are just "born that way" then God forced someone to be something He finds utterly reprehensible and He is therefore responsible for that person being gay and they are not accountable for it, therefore it would not be sin. If it is sin, it is a choice.

No no no.  I'm not saying there is no choice being made or no accountability, nor did I ever say that anyone is born with it.  All sin is by choice and have consequences.  I was just saying that some homosexuals struggle realizing it is wrong, but struggle nevertheless.  Some never act on it because they know it's wrong.  

 

If there is going to be a conclusion made whether or not I believe the Bible is authoritative or that homosexuality is not a sin and I am not properly teaching my child or protecting them, then I am not articulating myself on this matter and should no longer participate in dialogue as not to misrepresent myself.  The topic hit home for me as it relates to something personal I am dealing with and just wanted to share.

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No no no.  I'm not saying there is no choice being made or no accountability, nor did I ever say that anyone is born with it.  All sin is by choice and have consequences.  I was just saying that some homosexuals struggle realizing it is wrong, but struggle nevertheless.  Some never act on it because they know it's wrong.  

 

If there is going to be a conclusion made whether or not I believe the Bible is authoritative or that homosexuality is not a sin and I am not properly teaching my child or protecting them, then I am not articulating myself on this matter and should no longer participate in dialogue as not to misrepresent myself.  The topic hit home for me as it relates to something personal I am dealing with and just wanted to share.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood you. If they never act on it and do accept that it is wrong, then I'm not sure they're what we're talking about here and we would probably have a very different set of circumstances to address.

 

In my quickly-formed opinion on that, if the other child teetering on the edge with whether or not they want to be gay (as in embrace who they lust after and declare their desire for it), then I would think there is no problem with remaining friends, and in fact the friend should be a source of encouragment to stay on the right path and help them change their desires.

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a sin is a sin is not true. they're not all equal. God calls certain sins abominations. Homosexuality is one of them. ref verse Lev 18:22

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with woman kind: it is an abomination."

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When I refer to a sin is a sin, I am not talking about the degrees or consequences but rather referring to it in regards to salvation. All sin is sin in God's eyes.  We shouldn't simplify one while we magnify the other.  And for the lost, it doesn't matter if they just told a simple white lie.  They are still lost in need of a saviour.

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When I refer to a sin is a sin, I am not talking about the degrees or consequences but rather referring to it in regards to salvation. All sin is sin in God's eyes.  We shouldn't simplify one while we magnify the other.  And for the lost, it doesn't matter if they just told a simple white lie.  They are still lost in need of a saviour.

 

I understand what you are saying, GS.  That is what I mean, as well.  The only sin that keeps a person from going to heaven is not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

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How do you know this, can you read minds? do you see into peoples hearts? How do you know that one of your children's friends are not a "closet homosexual"? It is a deep rooted sin the effects people from all walks of life, saved and unsaved. the fact is you have no idea who is struggling with what. I hate to hear when Pastors or lay people brag about how God is blessing their ministry and there are no big problems going on at his church, all this tells me that he/they doesn't know his/their people well enough

First, I'm not bragging, I'm humbled for my salvation and two out of three children. Second, I do not believe you can be saved and openly walk in the lustful-prideful sin of practicing homosexuality.

 

Jeff, I know this, I have a sound mind: I have two children who are trusting Christ as Savior...their change and work after salvation attest to a true saving faith. These saved children hang around with other married (scripture based) couples who enjoy the whole word of God as much as they. They know of and have witnessed to homosexuals...I have no idea where God will go with their evangelizing work but, none of the obvious homosexuals want anything to do with their Bible teaching and preaching church...this is according to their disclosure. 

 

I know this also, the lost child has nothing to do with 'the things of God' wants no discussion about God's grace freely accepting the homosexual crowd as just another way humans can live. I'm certain this child known every variety of homosexual you can name 'open and prideful' 'closet door ashamed' and 'evolving-like the president's group.' I know because this child disclosed it to me. I wanted to meet friends and this is when I was told about their predisposition toward homosexuality and she knew I would say things freely about salvation which would embarrass some and embolden others causing an argument. I might add this child has more on campus secular education than me and my other two children combined...may have some bearing on it.

 

As far as how deep the gift of God runs for pastor or parent, I wouldn't make your judgement; God gives grace according to faith.

 

2 Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

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First, I'm not bragging, I'm humbled for my salvation and two out of three children. Second, I do not believe you can be saved and openly walk in the lustful-prideful sin of practicing homosexuality. Practicing homosexuality and having same sex attraction are two different things, one is sinful and the other is a temptation to sin.

 

Jeff, I know this, I have a sound mind: I have two children who are trusting Christ as Savior...their change and work after salvation attest to a true saving faith. These saved children hang around with other married (scripture based) couples who enjoy the whole word of God as much as they. They know of and have witnessed to homosexuals...I have no idea where God will go with their evangelizing work but, none of the obvious homosexuals want anything to do with their Bible teaching and preaching church...this is according to their disclosure. Again, you don't address my assertion, How do you know who is struggling with what? by the context of your answer, a person struggling with this situation would probably not feel comfortable about speaking to somebody in your "circles".

 

I know this also, the lost child has nothing to do with 'the things of God' wants no discussion about God's grace freely accepting the homosexual crowd as just another way humans can live. I'm certain this child known every variety of homosexual you can name 'open and prideful' 'closet door ashamed' and 'evolving-like the president's group.' I know because this child disclosed it to me. I wanted to meet friends and this is when I was told about their predisposition toward homosexuality and she knew I would say things freely about salvation which would embarrass some and embolden others causing an argument. I might add this child has more on campus secular education than me and my other two children combined...may have some bearing on it.   Maybe, or maybe this child has compassion on people and would not want to have somebody embarrass them rather than share the Gospel with them in a loving way', seasoning your language with love,....

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Thoughts-Unlikely-Convert-ebook/dp/B0097G05F8

http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2014/02/23/whi-1194-an-interview-with-rosaria-champagne-butterfield/             you might want to take the time and listen to this woman of the Lord talk about her experiences about her life in lesbianism and how God used people in her neighborhood win her to Him. In short, she is an English professor at Syracuse University, and super sharp! Listen to how God used people around her to believe the Gospel,( Spoiler Alert!! It wasn't yelling and screaming at her telling her how wicked she was,...she found that out on her own, It was people loving her and praying for her)

 

As far as how deep the gift of God runs for pastor or parent, I wouldn't make your judgement; God gives grace according to faith.

 

2 Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

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where did 'I am chief' say anything about yelling and screaming about wickedness at meeting his friends????

 

I think all you want to do is try to paint any IFB's as crazy, ranting, lunatics (as one on here does seem to be), but he's the exception, not the rule.

 

You think you have all the answers. I don't even know why you're on here, you're not IFB, you don't like some of our thinking and/ or common doctrine,  all you want to do is debate and try to make everyone else think they're too harsh and you're the gentle giant. You're not the only one who knows how to show compassion and kindness to others while sharing the gospel.

 

Go find another site to put yourself on the pedestal you so desperately want to be on. And quit trashing us. Just tired of it.

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