Creation - Genesis 1 & 2, Teaches The Plan Of Salvation & Redemption, But How Many Knew This?

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Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

That is a misunderstanding of what the SDA teach and follow from Scripture.  We teach:

 

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. Isaiah 45:25

 

Christ Jesus is Israel, Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15.

 

Read Ephesians 2:8-9, but especially see vs 10.

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;

that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved:

as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Romans 11:25-26

 

 

As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.

A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;

that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved:

as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Romans 11:25-26

 

 

As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.

A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.

 

 

Moving back to Preterism and Futurism, they are Jesuit theologies, inspired in the coutner-reformation, espcially in the Council of Trent

 

Preterism and Futurism and Amillenialism are a Roman Catholic counter-reformation doctrine [as is the formulated 'preterism'], Luis AlCazar, Francisco Riberra. Cardinal Bellermine, Lacunza, etc. All sworn Jesuits... are you defending their theology, for if it is so, it may be shown Biblically to be built upon sand?  Would you like to see?

 

Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (borrowing somewhat from Josephus): Look at 'Preterism', while not as popular as 'Futurism', though clearly incorrect by the text of scripture itself, still persists:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori...n_Developments

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jesuits

Jesuit Francisco Ribera: Look at how it 'Futurism' [a clearly Roman Catholic formulation], and also clearly incorrect by the text of scripture itself, is almost identical with much of today's 'mainline' protestantism, when it did not used to be:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ribera

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuris...hristianity%29

Rome holds to both in her writings, along with Amillenialism.

 

Theistic Evolution is also Jesuit Roman Catholic ideology, even P. Teilhard de Chardin and Georges LeMaitre, etc. Unscriptural and unscientific.

Preterism is also Jesuit Roman Catholic, even after Luis de Alcasar, from the counter-reformation. Unscriptural and runs counter to the other Jesuit theology of Futurism through Jesuit's Francisco Ribera, Robert Bellarmine, Manuel de Lacunza, etc.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

 

Consider others:

 

[Charles Wesley] - "PROP. 5. The beast is the Romish Papacy." [Charles Wesley, Revelation 13:1, notes] - http://www.christnotes.org/commentar...6&c=13&com=wes

[John Wesley] - "Unless the falling away - From the pure faith of the gospel, come first. This began even in the apostolic age. But the man of sin, the son of perdition - Eminently so called, is not come yet. However, in many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice - god. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Rev 11:1. Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." - [John Wesley; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, notes] - http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/jo...thessalonians/

See also - http://wesley.nnu.edu/arminianism/th...ibuted-to-him/

http://wesley.nnu.edu/?id=4815

http://wesley.nnu.edu/index.php?id=4704 type in "Antichrist" in the search bar.

 

 

"39 Now, it is manifest that the Roman pontiffs, with their adherents, defend [and practice] godless doctrines and godless services. And the marks [all the vices] of Antichrist plainly agree with the kingdom of the Pope and his adherents. For Paul, in describing Antichrist to the Thessalonians, calls him 2 Thess. 2:3-4: an adversary of Christ, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God. He speaks therefore of one ruling in the Church, not of heathen kings, and he calls this one the adversary of Christ, because he will devise doctrine conflicting with the Gospel, and will assume to himself divine authority." Philip Melancthon; A Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope; Treatise Compiled by the Theologians Assembled at Smalcald - 1537 - Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope - Book of Concord


Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran): "Luther ... proved, by the revelations of Daniel and St. John, by the epistles of St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and described in the Bible, was the Papacy ... And all the people did say, Amen! A holy terror siezed their souls. It was Antichrist whom they beheld seated o[bless and do not curse]n the pontifical throne. This new idea, which derived greater strength from the prophetic descriptions launched forth by Luther into the midst of his contemporaries, inflicted the most terrible blow o[bless and do not curse]n Rome." - Taken from J. H. Merle D'aubigne's History of the Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi [6], chapter xii [12], p. 215. [at google books, type in "History of the Reformation of the 16th Century 1846", yellow cover, scroll down to the book 6 and chapter 12, page 215, and see right hand column, beginning from the 8th and 9th lines]

Martin Luther was a devout Roman Catholic monk to begin with until the Truth of the Scriptures laid ahold of him.

One may readily see from all available historic sources that indeed Papal Rome is the one predicted by both Daniel and John as such. I will recommend a book by Pastor Stephn P Bohr, "Futurism's Incredible Journey", or read "End Time Delusions" by Pastor Steve Wohlberg [anyone can find most of it on Google Books, which will show the complete error that it is, and a Roman invention of the counter-reformation, which thought to "changes times and laws" of the mOst HIgh God, even the prophetic times, and so a new system was formulated by the Jesuits, the sons of Loyola, "Francisco Ribera" [look him up on Wikipedia, and then see the same under the "List of Jesuits" and also "Futurism (Christianity)" pages, or see "Luis De Alcazar" for the "preterism", or "Cardinal Roberto Bellermino" for futurism], to throw the heat and spot light off of Rome]

...but not only Luther, but many others before him and after him, for all of which there are sourced historical and documented quotes, along with their exegesis of the scriptures...

...in fact many were at one point Roman Catholic, until God moved upon them by His Holy Scriptures...

John Wycliffe - 1324-1384
John of Oldcastle 1360-1417
Matthhias of Janow (died 1394)
John Huss 1369-1415
John Purvey 1354-1428
William Tyndale 1484-1536
Martin Luther 1483-1546
Nicolaus von Amsdorf 1483-1565
Philipp Melanchthon 1497-1560
Ulrich Zwingli 1484-1531
John Calvin 1509-1564
John Knox 1505-1572
William Fulke 1538-1589
Heinrich Bullinger 1504-1575
Nicholas Ridley 1500-1555
John Hooper 1495-1555
Thomas Cranmer 1489-1556
John Bradford 1510-1555
John Jewel 1522-1571
John Napier 1550-1617
Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
John Wesley 1703-1791
Samuel Lee 1625-1691
Roger Williams 1603-1683
Samuel Cooper 1725-1783
...and many confessions of Faith then and since.

"Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist confessions of faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others all saw the office of the Papacy as the AntiChrist." - All Roads Lead to Rome? – The Ecumenical Movement, by Michael De Semlyen, Dorchester House Publications, 1991

"Many of the great Christians of Reformation and post-Reformation times shared this view of prophetic truth and identified antichrist with the Roman Papacy. Among adherents of this interpretation were the Waldenses, the Hussites, Wyclif, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Melanchthon, the Baptist theologian John Gill, the marytrs – Cranmer, Tyndale, Latimer and Ridley." - The Blessed Hope, Page 33; Professor George Eldon Ladd of Pasadena’s Fuller Theological Seminary

“Accordingly, towards the close of the century of the Reformation, two of her most learned doctors set themselves to the task, each endeavouring by different means to accomplish the same end, namely, that of diverting men’s minds from perceiving the fulfilment of the prophecies of the Antichrist in the Papal system. The Jesuit Alcasar devoted himself to bring into prominence the Preterist method of interpretation, which we have already briefly noticed, and thus endeavouring to show that the prophecies of Antichrist were fulfilled before the Popes ever ruled in Rome, and therefore could not apply to the Papacy. On the other hand the Jesuit Ribera tried to set aside the application of these prophecies to the Papal Power by bringing out the Futurist system, which asserts that these prophecies refer properly not to the career of the Papacy, but to that of some future supernatural individual, who is yet to appear, and to continue in power for three and a half years. Thus, as Alford says, the Jesuit Ribera, about A.D. 1580, may be regarded as the Founder of the Futurist system in modern times.”

“It is a matter for deep regret that those who hold and advocate the Futurist system at the present day, Protestants as they are for the most part, are thus really playing into the hands of Rome, and helping to screen the Papacy from detection as the Antichrist. It has been well said that ‘Futurism tends to obliterate the brand put by the Holy Spirit upon Popery.’ More especially is this to be deplored at a time when the Papal Antichrist seems to be making an expiring effort to regain his former hold on men’s minds.” - From Daniel and the Revelation: The Chart of Prophecy and Our Place In It, A Study of the Historical and Futurist Interpretation, by Joseph Tanner, published in London by Hodder and Stoughton, 1898, pages 16, 17

[LindaR]

Correct.

 

Yet, why did Lucifer rebel?

Pride

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Moving back to Preterism and Futurism, they are Jesuit theologies, inspired in the coutner-reformation, espcially in the Council of Trent

Martin Luther was a devout Roman Catholic monk to begin with until the Truth of the Scriptures laid ahold of him.

 
     

I watch Seventh Day Adventist Television HOPE.  Actually, their eskatology is very good and informative for the most part.

I have also met Messianic Jews here that follow the Law and are Born Again as well, but they are REAL jews and not Gentiles pretending to be jews.

 

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  Rev 3:9

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Pride

How did Lucifer get the angels to follow him?  What arguments did he use?  What was Lucifers original position/estate in Heaven?

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I watch Seventh Day Adventist Television HOPE.  Actually, their eskatology is very good and informative for the most part.

I have also met Messianic Jews here that follow the Law and are Born Again as well, but they are REAL jews and not Gentiles pretending to be jews.

 

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  Rev 3:9

 

Rev 3:9 is actually talking about the false christians, for the "Jew" is the True Christian - Romans 2:29, etc, and therefore the synagogue [gathering] of satan are those claiming to be Christians, they say Lord, Lord, but do not the things God commands.

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I am not like that.  I will speak with you when you desire.    Feel free to witness all you want.  I will listen, and then open my KJV Bible to show you, if you will listen...

 

ps, people do not "study their way out of the Adventist movement", they "don't study" their way out of it. 

I am just making conversation, banner.  That is all.

[Galations 2:20]

Rev 3:9 is actually talking about the false christians, for the "Jew" is the True Christian - Romans 2:29, etc, and therefore the synagogue [gathering] of satan are those claiming to be Christians, they say Lord, Lord, but do not the things God commands.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.