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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Way Of Life - Bill Gaither's Disobedience To God's Word


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Updated November 19, 2013 (first published July 30, 1998) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143) -

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Bill and Gloria Gaither are graduates of Anderson College, a Church of God school, and they attend a Nazarene church (“Church of the Nazarene,” About.com). They have written some very popular and well-known gospel music, such as “He Touched Me,” “Thanks to Calvary,” and “There’s Something about That Name.”


Since the early 1990s, the Gaither’s
Homecoming CD and video series has dramatically increased the popularity of Southern Gospel music in this generation.

Sadly, the Gaithers have used their vast influence to promote the lie that music is neutral and thus to encourage the deep inroads that the world has made into Southern Gospel. They have also promoted the unscriptural ecumenical movement with its bogus “judge not” philosophy and its lack of concern about doctrinal purity and its disobedience to commands such as Romans 16:17 and Jude 3.


Gaither Believes that Music Is Neutral

In the 1980s Gaither bought into contemporary Christian music’s foundational premise that “MUSIC IS NEUTRAL” and that any type of sensual music can be used to glorify God.

During a concert tour in New England in 1986, Gaither admitted that he had changed his musical style due to the influence of the “world’s culture.” He said he believed there was a place for Christian rock, and he expressed his philosophy of music in these words: “God speaks through all different kinds of art forms and musical styles and musical forms” and the “format itself is not necessarily spiritual or non-spiritual” (
FBF News Bulletin, March-April 1986, p. 3).

The following is an eyewitness description of the Gaither’s appearance at the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis in 1980: “The Bill Gaither Trio entertained 15,000 Southern Baptists on Sunday evening with a musical program worldly enough to make any true believer weep. The music was so loud that some people left and others put their hands to their ears to block the intense amplification of the music” (Robert S. Reynolds, “Southern Baptists on the Downgrade: Report on the 1980 SBC Convention in St. Louis,”
Foundation, Volume VI, Issue 1, 1985, p. 9).

The Gaithers have increasingly used rock rhythms in their music. During the disco craze in the late 1980s, the Gaither Trio recorded a disco album (
Calvary Contender, August 15, 1989). The Gaithers have a song titled “Singin’ with the Saints” which is a boogie-woogie version of “He Keeps Me Singing.” This is confusion.



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Very good article.

Their picture reminds of Jim and Tammy Baker. She's not as extreme looking, but they are a pretty fake looking couple in that picture. Spray on tans. Check out her eyebrows! I never trust a man that spends as much time trying to look good as his wife does!

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 I never trust a man that spends as much time trying to look good as his wife does!

 

 

Me neither!  Remember John Edwards?  

 

This is good meat for those who secretly and openly listen to CCM.  Take heed folks!  :goodpost:

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Some IFB churches accepted a few of Gaither's early songs before CCM ever gained in popularity.

 

The time will soon come when the only way some IFBs will be able to separate themselves from modern music is to separate themselves from IFB and gather under a new name.

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Me neither!  Remember John Edwards?  

 

This is good meat for those who secretly and openly listen to CCM.  Take heed folks!  :goodpost:

 

Wasn't he the one who spent many $$$$$$$$$$$$ on hair cuts?

 

And divorced his wife while dying of cancer?

 

 

A young woman that lived down the highway from me who I had been visiting at home for nearly 2 years who was dying of cancer & could not get out of her recliner by herself. Early one Monday morning I got a phone call from her mother asking if I could come over. The previous Sunday evening her husband had held a gun to her head telling her to get out of the recliner & clean up the house.

 

Of course I went over the her house as quickly as possible.

 

It seems then after she could not do as he told her, he held the pistol to his own head threading to kill himself if she did not get up & clean the house. When she still did not he took their son & daughter with him telling her that he would never let her see them again leaving the house.

 

Thankfully on that Monday he bought to two children back home. them the next day we found out he was shacked up in a motel with another woman.

 

That sure did leave that young woman with a heart broken into million of pieces. Wow, its amazing at what some will do.

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Some IFB churches accepted a few of Gaither's early songs before CCM ever gained in popularity.

 

The time will soon come when the only way some IFBs will be able to separate themselves from modern music is to separate themselves from IFB and gather under a new name.

 

Yet, the nondenominational churches, the Charismatic  churches, the SBC Churches, & many others are more into the Gaither's & their music than the IFB Churches are. And besides, the IFB are completely independent of all other IFB Churches & answer directly to Jesus, that is Jesus is their Head, their Shepherd, their Leader, & have been loyal to Jesus all the way down though history, & are not ashamed of the label Baptist as many are. I would furnish links on this but I have done so many times in the past & you keep putting down IFB Churches from time to time on a IFB forum.

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Yet, the nondenominational churches, the Charismatic  churches, the SBC Churches, & many others are more into the Gaither's & their music than the IFB Churches are. And besides, the IFB are completely independent of all other IFB Churches & answer directly to Jesus, that is Jesus is their Head, their Shepherd, their Leader, & have been loyal to Jesus all the way down though history, & are not ashamed of the label Baptist as many are. I would furnish links on this but I have done so many times in the past & you keep putting down IFB Churches from time to time on a IFB forum.

How is stating a fact putting down IFB churches? I said not one thing that was a put down to IFB churches.

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How is stating a fact putting down IFB churches? I said not one thing that was a put down to IFB churches.

 

 
If you want to keep on running down IFB churches I suggest you do it somewhere else.
 
The nondenominational church is the last place I would recommend to anyone that asked me about fining a good church, why? for they generally made up of people from any different denominations, accepting people from any denomination, & by their name you have no idea at all what they may teach, it may be Pentecostal, Holiness, Methodist, Presbyterian,  Anglican, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Episcopalian, Seven Day Adventist, Assembly of God,one thing for sure they do not want to be identified with us Baptist. They may may teach works based salvation & or many other doctrines that's strange to the Bible.
 
Plus I've mentioned this to you several times yet you keep right on doing it. And as I stated, your on the outside looking in at us through the prejudices of being a member of a nondenominational church & do not know what is going on on the inside of these churches.
 
Oh >even Paul Chappell who has gone a bit liberal knows about the deep history, the roots, of the people called Baptist & understands it, & I've posted many links to our history for you many times yet you still run us down on occasions.
 
Try running down the nondenominational churches, that is something your attacked to & ought to know much more about & no one on this IFB forum will be offended.
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If you want to keep on running down IFB churches I suggest you do it somewhere else.
 
The nondenominational church is the last place I would recommend to anyone that asked me about fining a good church, why? for they generally made up of people from any different denominations, accepting people from any denomination, & by their name you have no idea at all what they may teach, it may be Pentecostal, Holiness, Methodist, Presbyterian,  Anglican, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Episcopalian, Seven Day Adventist, Assembly of God,one thing for sure they do not want to be identified with us Baptist. They may may teach works based salvation & or many other doctrines that's strange to the Bible.
 
Plus I've mentioned this to you several times yet you keep right on doing it. And as I stated, your on the outside looking in at us through the prejudices of being a member of a nondenominational church & do not know what is going on on the inside of these churches.
 
Oh >even Paul Chappell who has gone a bit liberal knows about the deep history, the roots, of the people called Baptist & understands it, & I've posted many links to our history for you many times yet you still run us down on occasions.
 
Try running down the nondenominational churches, that is something your attacked to & ought to know much more about & no one on this IFB forum will be offended.

 

As I asked before, I ask again, what did I say that run down IFB churches?

 

Have you contacted David Cloud and told him he's running down IFB churches for discussing what's going on within them?

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As I asked before, I ask again, what did I say that run down IFB churches?

 

Have you contacted David Cloud and told him he's running down IFB churches for discussing what's going on within them?

 

The way I see it, is that John and others are just making statements about IFB churches.  What's wrong with that?  Don't we all do that?

Yes, I would contact David Cloud and let him know that what he is doing about talking badly about IFB churches is wrong.  Let's see how he responds, shall we?  :nuts:  

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The nondenominational church is the last place I would recommend to anyone that asked me about fining a good church, why? for they generally made up of people from any different denominations, accepting people from any denomination, & by their name you have no idea at all what they may teach, it may be Pentecostal, Holiness, Methodist, Presbyterian,  Anglican, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Episcopalian, Seven Day Adventist, Assembly of God,one thing for sure they do not want to be identified with us Baptist. They may may teach works based salvation & or many other doctrines that's strange to the Bible.

 

Please answer me this question for clarification.  I came from AOG.  I now belong to an IFB church.  Because of where I came from, should I not be allowed in the IFB church?  My Pastor came from a Catholic background.      

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Please answer me this question for clarification.  I came from AOG.  I now belong to an IFB church.  Because of where I came from, should I not be allowed in the IFB church?  My Pastor came from a Catholic background.      

Unless one believes some people are born Baptists, any good IFB church, especially a soul winning Baptist church, should have many people who came from different denominations.

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Please answer me this question for clarification.  I came from AOG.  I now belong to an IFB church.  Because of where I came from, should I not be allowed in the IFB church?  My Pastor came from a Catholic background.      

I don't think that's what he's saying, Laura.  He's talking about churches that don't identify with any particular denomination or belief, but combine enough so that everyone is comfortable.  In actuality, those type churches are inter-denominational.  The non-denominational churches can be more of a combination, but the ones I've attended or known about have tended to lean baptistic in belief.

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Folks, let's not turn this thread into an argument about church styles.  There is truth that all too often IFB churches are lumped into a category of criticism just on the basis of being IFB.  And that is wrong - and, actually, that isn't what David Cloud does...he points to specifics in specific churches, normally.  Anyway - 

 

It is a truth that some IFB churches accepted Gaither's music.  In point of fact, there are some songs Gaither and his crew have written that are very good  as far as words go - performance is different....It is a truth that some IFB churches have accepted other forms of music that are not good as well.

 

That said, it is not a disrespectful thing to point out that some IFB churches have gone that way.  But I do understand what Jerry is saying - sometimes it seems that some people take every opportunity to criticize IFB just in toto.  That is not right.  But, Jerry, I honestly don't think that's what John meant in his statement.  I think he was expanding on the thought you mentioned in your first post - although you didn't point to IFB and he did.

 

I'm Baptist because I believe Baptists align more closely to scripture than any other belief.  That doesn't mean others are completely wrong (I know of a Wesleyan church which, believe it or not, is more IFB than some IFB churches I could name), but just that Baptist is more right.  And I say that without smugness or overweening pride.   :wink  I'm IFB because I believe it is more biblical than Baptist churches that have a hierarchy to whom they answer.

 

A study of Baptist history can stir the blood in excitement and awe at how God has worked.  Candlelight has mentioned the book a couple of times, but America in Crimson Red is an excellent book to read for the history of Baptists in America.  The Coming Destruction of the Baptist People  is also a fascinating read as Bro. Bellar documents how the Baptist faith is being obliterated and replaced...and IFB are contributing to it unkowingly in many cases.

 

Anyhooo - let's not turn this into an argument on church styles.  Let's keep it to the topic, ok?  Thanks.

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I don't think that's what he's saying, Laura.  He's talking about churches that don't identify with any particular denomination or belief, but combine enough so that everyone is comfortable.  In actuality, those type churches are inter-denominational.  The non-denominational churches can be more of a combination, but the ones I've attended or known about have tended to lean baptistic in belief.

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I'm Baptist because I believe Baptists align more closely to scripture than any other belief.  That doesn't mean others are completely wrong (I know of a Wesleyan church which, believe it or not, is more IFB than some IFB churches I could name), but just that Baptist is more right.  And I say that without smugness or overweening pride.   :wink  I'm IFB because I believe it is more biblical than Baptist churches that have a hierarchy to whom they answer.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for me.  I know some Baptists that believe only Baptists are saved.  I just wanted to clarify, for my own understanding, that a comment wasn't headed in that direction.

 

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Please answer me this question for clarification.  I came from AOG.  I now belong to an IFB church.  Because of where I came from, should I not be allowed in the IFB church?  My Pastor came from a Catholic background.      

 

Here's my .02 cents.  A non-denomination church doesn't put much emphasis on doctrine so as not to offend anyone lest they lose them.  

A strong IFB church will accept into membership all who are scripturally saved and baptized and not allow the dross from that person's old denomination to further separate them from the Lord or influence others in the local church.  

 

Put another way, when I came to my IFB church, I came to learn their ways (bible ways), not introduce the errors I'd been taught at Catholic and rock-n-roll churches.

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Here's my .02 cents.  A non-denomination church doesn't put much emphasis on doctrine so as not to offend anyone lest they lose them.  

A strong IFB church will accept into membership all who are scripturally saved and baptized and not allow the dross from that person's old denomination to further separate them from the Lord or influence others in the local church.  

 

Put another way, when I came to my IFB church, I came to learn their ways (bible ways), not introduce the errors I'd been taught at Catholic and rock-n-roll churches.

Actually, as LuAnne pointed out, that's a false generalization. While some of the nondenominational churches go that route, it's moreso those which are actual interdenominational. As LuAnne mentioned, there are many non-denoms which are very biblically sound as a biblically sound IFB church.

 

We currently attend a nondenominational church which was founded and formed by Baptists in the 1800s. At that time politics had taken up a major place among Baptist churches, including issues that led to many splits, including that which brought about the SBC. In order to separate themselves from the politics, these Baptists chose to form their church as a nondenominational so the separation from all that political fighting would be clear, and to make it clear they were totally an independent church. The foundation of the church was biblical Baptist then and it still is today. Both our senior pastor and associate pastor are Baptists. Those who want to join our church have to be biblically born again and in agreement with our churches statement of faith, which is biblical Baptist. We don't water down anything to draw folks in, we don't adopt the ways of those who used to attend an AOG, Methodist, Catholic or any other church.

 

Sad to say, but the IFB churches still in this area have turned to the Left. One or more of these is true of the remaining IFB churches here: they have dropped the KJB, added CCM and/or modern Southern Gospel, dropped dress standards, dropped separation standards (mostly for the sake of politics and community events), have brought in younger, less staunch on the Word pastors, don't preach the whole Bible.

 

As I've said before, praise God for the IFB churches still standing true! As well, I praise God for all other churches which still stand true as well. And praise God for all the pastors firmly standing upon the Word of God and preaching the whole Word of God.

 

Of the older non-denom churches I'm familiar with, they are of the conservative, traditional IFB type. Of many of the newer ones which call themselves non-denom that I'm familiar with, they are anywhere from watered down to worldly.

 

One of the best IFB pastors I've known was fired from his church for refusing to go along with the deacons and elders who wanted to "tame the preaching" and make the church "more open to new folks coming in". After that the church called many other churches telling them not to hire their former pastor and giving a bad report to those who contacted them for a reference. I'm not sure if he's still there or not, but the last I knew he had finally found a pastorate in a conservative, Bible-Baptist style non-denom church in Wisconsin or some other upper Midwest state.

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First, I don't put much trust in a man who will hire a long haired hippie to sing in his band (Guy Penrod). Matter of fact, Bill's hair is a shame as well. I don't say that to be mean. The Bible says it's a shame. 

 

Bill has written some good lyrics. But the worldly music he puts with them, and the associations he maintains, makes me wonder whose side he is really on.

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