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      Closed Communion
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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

What Does Repentence Mean?


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If we are talking about how to be saved I believe repent in most of the verses means change what were thinking and believe in Christ. As far as works of faith and the Christian walk that is a different thing, a different subject all together. I think there is Two Dispensations one for earth the OC and one for Heaven and its Citizens the NC, in the NC we are in the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, exactly how that outworks itself I'm not sure, but bearing fruit of the Spirit is good, because there is no law against such things.Ga 5:23 I know the OC law is summed us as:

Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The NC is summed up thus:

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

So it's a different covenantal principle, one is life the other brings death, so the terms of repentance and salvation were definitely different., I'm guessing I'm preaching to the converted.

 

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Mat 12:41

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

"Repentance" means the same thing it always has. The Ninevites "repented" in the hearts when they believed the preaching, BEFORE they ever did any "works", otherwise they would have ignored Jonah, kept on doing what they were doing, and suffered the destruction.. Repentance is a heart thing, not a work. Likewise, today, salvation and repentance are inseparable. The devils "believe" in God but they have never repented.

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To repent is "to think differently". My definition as it applies to salvation is;

To agree with God that I have sinned against Him, and can only be reconciled through faith in the perfect sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ.

I think when people are told they must 'turn from sin', it can leave someone with the idea they must physically stop whatever sin they have in their life before they can be saved, which is a false gospel according to scripture. The physical act of turning from sin can only be done through the power of the Holy Spirit which we receive the moment we are saved. We are not saved by how we perform after we have believed, but by *authentic belief itself. God knows a persons heart, and needs no evidence to know that a person has believed in their heart.

 

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To repent is "to think differently". My definition as it applies to salvation is;

To agree with God that I have sinned against Him, and can only be reconciled through faith in the perfect sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ.

I think when people are told they must 'turn from sin', it can leave someone with the idea they must physically stop whatever sin they have in their life before they can be saved, which is a false gospel according to scripture. The physical act of turning from sin can only be done through the power of the Holy Spirit which we receive the moment we are saved. We are not saved by how we perform after we have believed, but by *authentic belief itself. God knows a persons heart, and needs no evidence to know that a person has believed in their heart.

 

Exactly. And I've  also heard it put like this: "to take God's side against your own self"

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To repent is "to think differently". My definition as it applies to salvation is;

To agree with God that I have sinned against Him, and can only be reconciled through faith in the perfect sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ.

I think when people are told they must 'turn from sin', it can leave someone with the idea they must physically stop whatever sin they have in their life before they can be saved, which is a false gospel according to scripture. The physical act of turning from sin can only be done through the power of the Holy Spirit which we receive the moment we are saved. We are not saved by how we perform after we have believed, but by *authentic belief itself. God knows a persons heart, and needs no evidence to know that a person has believed in their heart.

 

Well put. 

If it did mean 'turn from sin' that would be like saying 'keep the Law and believe in Jesus and you can be saved'.

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Mat 12:41

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

"Repentance" means the same thing it always has. The Ninevites "repented" in the hearts when they believed the preaching, BEFORE they ever did any "works", otherwise they would have ignored Jonah, kept on doing what they were doing, and suffered the destruction.. Repentance is a heart thing, not a work. Likewise, today, salvation and repentance are inseparable. The devils "believe" in God but they have never repented.

'Repent' is simply a word, just as 'metanoeo' is but one word, and the plain fact would seem to be that those two words have slightly different meanings from each other, as careful reading of any decent dictionary shows,  I'll continue to use the word repent in the New Testament 'metanoeo' sense. The Niniavites repented concerning, and turned from their sins.

If, a God fearing Jew or a morally upright Gentile, had to come to faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour, then they have 'repented' of what they believed before, whether or not they need to repent about their views of their works and turn from their works would depend on what they thought about their works and what their works were before their conversion, I don't think deeds or turning from them really come into 'reconciliation' (salvation) at all, whether it be bowing to an image of Mary, bowing to a 'worshipful master', bowing to corruption, or bowing to pornographic images, although they might blind the mind and keep the lost in the dark, and a Christian will come into Judgement for any such practises or thoughts related to them.

So there are allot of different things and different type of things which people can repent (think differently) about, but as far as being reconciled to God, that is a work of God and a gift which is granted to the lost when they come to faith in Christ, so they need to repent (think differently) of their unbelief in Jesus Christ as saviour.

That is why the Gospel of John, which is the most evangelical of all books, doesn't need to use the word 'repent', because Johns Gospel has an emphasis on how to be saved. Joh 20:31

I would make the distinction of the devils who believe and a lost soul who believes as one which is possible within the scope of the word 'believe', I think the lost soul needs to believe in the 'believe -  receive - trust' sense of the word.

The Devils believe only that there is one God, but they believe and do not receive, but they believe and are in opposition.

It is of course the will of God that the Christian bears fruit and has self control, and does not continue in sin, and in that way to glorify God, but this is in no way to do with Reconciliation or Justification, but rather this is to do with thanks giving and also a love for the lost.

I think careful distinction needs to be made here in order to not cause people to fall into a works based salvation or works based sanctification such as 'Lordship Salvation' of John Mcarthur and the likes. I listened to a few hours of him promoting one of his books and discussing salvation, not a pleasant experience.

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Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. 

 

In light of how everyone weighed in on the meaning of repentance- see in the above verse that God repented of the evil.  How would you define repentance in this instance?

Turning from your wicked ways = Works. So, if salvation isn't of works....then when talking about salvation, those who teach we must turn from sin are wrong. Praying a prayer doesn't save you, Faith in Christ is what saves you.

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Turning from your wicked ways = Works. So, if salvation isn't of works....then when talking about salvation, those who teach we must turn from sin are wrong. Praying a prayer doesn't save you, Faith in Christ is what saves you.

Nay, nay.

We keep saying it over and over....the "turning" to God, away from sin and self,  takes place only in your heart. Matter of fact, one can be a deaf mute but their heart can still say  "God be merciful to me, a sinner". I've yet to see anyone do any kind of "work" with just their heart or mind.

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The bible is my only authority. TURNING FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS = WORKS.  Muddying up the gospel is the addition of faith + performance. Basically, you are saying that one must have a change of heart toward sin, they don't actually have to turn?  1 - that isn't what repent means in the KJV. 2 - I believe a sinner must repent (change his mind) and believe in the gospel. John 1 says we aren't saved by mans will. 

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The bible is my only authority.

Hold on there young man, why this pretension?

You already made it pretty clear that you follow a couple fellas: anderson and ken somebody of which I have never heard of either (no doubt for a reason - not worth hearing about in most cases) or they are big shot published authors so I will never have any interest in them.

Can you be a little clearer in what you are trying to say? It sounds to me like you are on the right track but perhaps not expressing it thoroughly.

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Turning from sin is work. I have done it. Have i turned from all of it? NO. Because that isn't what we must do to be saved. Acts 16:30. Salvation is free, lest any man should boast. Boasting is...."I've turned from my sin", "I have turned from drinking and got saved", "I quit this or that", you did nothing to get yourself saved but believed, something a child can do. We are all babes in Christ at the beginning and hopefully grow if we read the bible, go to church, etc. If some are saying that we must have a change in attitude toward sin as being part of the gospel.....please give me chapter and verse. Turning from sin is good, it is a daily thing, but putting it into the gospel is wrong. I believe putting "turn from sin" into the gospel will never save anyone. How would anyone ever know if they've turned enough? It puts the emphasis on ourselves and not what Jesus did on the cross. The definition of repent is really a confusing topic for christians. Thank you for listening. :) GB

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Luke 18

9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

#1 False "belief", no repentence, trusting in self, and works.

#2.  Genuine faith, with repentance, trusting in God, but no works.

#3. Justified before God and READY FOR works.

 

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Hold on there young man, why this pretension?

You already made it pretty clear that you follow a couple fellas: anderson and ken somebody of which I have never heard of either (no doubt for a reason - not worth hearing about in most cases) or they are big shot published authors so I will never have any interest in them.

Can you be a little clearer in what you are trying to say? It sounds to me like you are on the right track but perhaps not expressing it thoroughly.

I say the bible is my authority for this reason. Some seem to be denying "turning from sin" is works. Jonah 3:10 proves this without question. Besides that...we are talking about the definition of repent, correct? i submit it is merely a change of mind. To say it is something about sin is A) God is a sinner or B: it has several different definitions. God repents more than anyone in the KJV, the NIV and NKJV take out everytime God repents...so in those bibles case...the definition of repent is changed based on the context in which the word is found. 

 

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I say the bible is my authority for this reason. Some seem to be denying "turning from sin" is works. Jonah 3:10 proves this without question. Besides that...we are talking about the definition of repent, correct? i submit it is merely a change of mind. To say it is something about sin is A) God is a sinner or B: it has several different definitions. God repents more than anyone in the KJV, the NIV and NKJV take out everytime God repents...so in those bibles case...the definition of repent is changed based on the context in which the word is found. 

 

Good post sir, thanks

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I say the bible is my authority for this reason. Some seem to be denying "turning from sin" is works. Jonah 3:10 proves this without question. Besides that...we are talking about the definition of repent, correct? i submit it is merely a change of mind. To say it is something about sin is A) God is a sinner or B: it has several different definitions. God repents more than anyone in the KJV, the NIV and NKJV take out everytime God repents...so in those bibles case...the definition of repent is changed based on the context in which the word is found. 

 

Maybe I see where you're coming from. Repent has only one root meaning. It basically means to turn from or against something. God's creation had "turned against" him in Genesis 6, God "turned against" the evil he intended for Nineveh when the Assyrians turned against their sin, in faith toward God, in their hearts. That took place BEFORE they put on sackcloth in Jonah 3 because the Bible says they BELIEVED the preaching of Jonah. So they didn't merely "turn over a new leaf". Truly. to be saved one cannot merely "turn against" or quit their sin: they must repent in faith toward God. No one has said any different in this thread, to my knowledge. The sense or application of repentance I've been referring to is the following...

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:21

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Maybe I see where you're coming from. Repent has only one root meaning. It basically means to turn from or against something. God's creation had "turned against" him in Genesis 6, God "turned against" the evil he intended for Nineveh when the Assyrians turned against their sin, in faith toward God, in their hearts. That took place BEFORE they put on sackcloth in Jonah 3 because the Bible says they BELIEVED the preaching of Jonah. So they didn't merely "turn over a new leaf". Truly. to be saved one cannot merely "turn against" or quit their sin: they must repent in faith toward God. No one has said any different in this thread, to my knowledge. The sense or application of repentance I've been referring to is the following...

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:21

Well then....GOOD! lol.  We must not mix service with salvation. There are many bad examples who live ungodly, live a life unpleasing to God, I think they will be unhappier than any unsaved person. There are some very good christians that repent daily, pray daily, read their bibles daily, win souls every week, and then there's the rest of us. lol. Not sure where I am exactly, but I know I'm growing....so I guess i'm not going backwards!  THIS IS ALL SERVICE. Salvation is all based on if we place 100% of our trust on Christ for eternal life. I believe it helps once we realize we aren't in bondage to sin. We have the power to overcome.  GB

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1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

Obviously, had the Thessalonikan's not turned from their idols, they would have revealed that they were still in a lost condition.

2 Corinthians 6:16-18 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God will not be a Father to those who do not turn from their idols.  Hence, repentance is indeed a necessity.

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Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
(Ezekiel 18:30 KJV)
 

Does God command sinners to repent from all their sins (transgressions)?  

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      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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