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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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How 'bout the "Turkish Jew" fantasy? I've run into people in bible forums before that claim that the Jews in Israel are not real Jews but "Turkish Jews" (descendants of Khazars), whatever that is suppose to mean. Seems Texe Marrs has been pushing this nonsense also. 

 

I had one nut tell me that the Jews in Israel were fake Jews because the term "Jew" only meant "Jewish by religion" and that the real Jews were unidentified Gentiles living in the United States. I'm finding many KJVO folks believing this tripe too.

 

I used to work with a Jewish lad who said the Jews were not a nation and only a religion and as he did not believe the religion he was not a Jew,

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It's a myth that there are no priests today.  It's a myth perpetrated by the "replacement theologians", but its origin goes back to Augustine of Hippo (St. Augustine).

 

Anyone with the last name Cohen (or a variation of this) can easily trace their geneology is a Levite.  The temple garments are ready and waiting as well as all implements.

 

Cohen-Levi Family Heritage

http://www.cohen-levi.org/the_center/the_center.htm

 

The Cohanim - DNA Connection

The fascinating story of how DNA studies confirm an ancient biblical tradition.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48936742.html

 

Actually it goes much further back that Augustine.  IT is recorded by Josephus who was a priest himself, a descendant of Mathias.

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I agree that it is a myth that there are no priests today. I know someone with the last name Kagan and he has no doubt he is descended from Cohen ... and I know someone whose last name is Leventhal and they have no doubt they are decended from Levi. I also know a Syrian Jew with the last name Douek (lives in  America .. has some family in Israel) and they seem pretty confident of their genealogy as well (although I didn't remember theirs).

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I agree that it is a myth that there are no priests today. I know someone with the last name Kagan and he has no doubt he is descended from Cohen ... and I know someone whose last name is Leventhal and they have no doubt they are decended from Levi. I also know a Syrian Jew with the last name Douek (lives in America .. has some family in Israel) and they seem pretty confident of their genealogy as well (although I didn't remember theirs).

One of my friends showed me his hands...they have a design to them. He said it is only his tribe who has that.
They were very unique.
Anyone else seen this?



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I used to work with a Jewish lad who said the Jews were not a nation and only a religion and as he did not believe the religion he was not a Jew,

This is, actually, correct. The 'JEW" comes from Judah, the nation that continued in the proper worship of God, (more or less) and kept the Temple. Hebrew, often called JacOB, today, israeli, is actually the people and nation, Judism is the religion, thus, Jew.

 

That's wyh, generally, when the NT speaks of 'the Jews', if is often speaking of the Jewish Religious leaders.

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Just bringing this back up, because with Easter I saw a lot of Hebrew Roots Movement posts on my FB talking about how it's a sin to celebrate Jesus' resurrection at all, and how they were celebrating Passover. One friend posted a photo of their "Gentile Seder" complete with the husband wearing a talit and his wife wearing tzitzit on her shirt. :scratchchin: Doing some research online I came across someone who said, "Christians are still bound by the Torah Law. Jesus' death just means we can't be stoned for violating the law." *sigh*

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Just bringing this back up, because with Easter I saw a lot of Hebrew Roots Movement posts on my FB talking about how it's a sin to celebrate Jesus' resurrection at all, and how they were celebrating Passover. One friend posted a photo of their "Gentile Seder" complete with the husband wearing a talit and his wife wearing tzitzit on her shirt. :scratchchin: Doing some research online I came across someone who said, "Christians are still bound by the Torah Law. Jesus' death just means we can't be stoned for violating the law." *sigh*

Was that quote from an HRM site called 119Ministries?

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Was that quote from an HRM site called 119Ministries?

It was actually in a thread about the Hebrew Roots Movement on a Christian message forum. With that said, this particular poster's comments read very much like the things the guys at 119 Ministries say.

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Now, on Resurrection Day, which we hold on the Sunday after Passover, since that's when Jesus was resurrected, we have, for the past few years, gone over Christ in the Passover-not because I am teaching to keep Passover, but because  want to see where Christ is so plainly depicted in the Passover traditions, and also to see exactly where Jesus took the two Passover parts from to give us the Lord's Supper, from the Affikomen, (His Body), and the Cup of Redemption/Blessing, (His blood). It really gives it a greater clarity and understanding of it, and why it IS, indeed, just a little piece of bread and a sip of juice, NOT wine.  Its always fascinating.

 

Some have taken to the whole 'love feast' and taking the Lord's Supper, (using leavend bread!) as the biblical way of having the Lord's Supper. They say, "Jesus and His disciples ate a big meal, so should we!" Okay, you want to do it like they did? Eat the Passover! But we were directed to something else, just two parts of the meal, the bread and the cup.

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Indeed our guard must be up for false teachings abound, even those as old as the Bible itself.

 

Armstrongism used to teach a version of keeping certain Jewish feasts and laws as being necessary for a true Christian. Their free magazine which seemed to be everywhere back in the 80s served them well in spreading this false teaching and confusing many folks, Christians and non-Christians alike.

 

The book of Hebrews addresses this prOBlem in great detail (as do some other passages elsewhere in the NT). I've noticed many who promote "Jewish Christianity" bristle when the book of Hebrews is mentioned and they quickly try to dismiss it.

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The Hebrew Roots Movement goes by the law.  They are law keepers.  Sadly, many Christians are following in that path.  It is very deceptive.  They teach about a Saturday Sabbath.  Totally unbiblical.  Either these Christians are lost, or they were never grounded in the word of God.  Only God knows the answer to that.  We are surely in the "great falling away."

Jewish Roots is a different story.  From my understanding they believe in "salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ."

 

I have no desire to learn either.  My KJV is sufficient.

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Candlelight, my experience has been that many people who join the Hebrew Roots Movement tend to be a little on the paranoid side. You will find many HRM followers in the raw vegan food circles and many in the doomsday prepping circles. I think that, for those people, law keeping is a form of superstition. Like they are terrified if they don't keep the law, something bad will happen to them. I've seen them on message forums panicking that they needed a mikvah (ritual bath), because they accidentally ate something with gelatin in it. Women sleeping on a plastic sheet covered sofa during their menstrual period so that their husbands won't become "unclean". People arguing among themselves about whether or not it's acceptable to sew on Shabbat, or use electricity in any form. Is it Yeshua or Ya'Hoshua or Y'shua? Is it Yah or Yahweh or YHVH or YWVH or G-d? People debating whether or not HRM people should keep the lesser festival days, like Purim and Hanukkah. Studying star and lunar charts to make sure they plan Shabbat and Havdalah for the precise times. It takes away so much from the simplicity of the Gospel message and causes much division.

 

It has reached a point where anybody serving in a leadership capacity in a "Messianic" congregation goes by "Kohen So-and-So" or "Rabbi Such-and-Such". As Bro. Mike stated, it's one thing to reenact the Passover to show how it was a shadow of things to come. How the Passover seder, and all of the accompanying symbolism involved, pointed to Jesus shedding His blood on the cross for us. When the curtain was ripped in half it is believed the Pharisees had it sewn back together and they continued sprinkling blood and putting bells and ropes on their high priests in case they did something wrong and they were smote in the Holy of Holies they could be dragged out. They continued this until the destruction of Herod's temple. And to this day, they don't believe the Messiah has come. 

 

What the HRM does today is like what the Pharisees did then - they tried to sew that curtain back together that separates man from God and are trying to sprinkle blood on the Mercy Seat through their works (law keeping) instead of seeing Christ's finished work on the cross. 

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LOL  Jim's Helpmeet.  It sounds like you have had your fill of them, too.  I had to go through my Facebook list and delete all these people, as they were spreading false doctrine all over my Timeline, years ago.  There is also a group that follow a man named Craig Winn.  He was a business man, from California, I believe.  He decided he would go by the Tanach and re-write the entire New Testament.  I remember they referred to Jesus as Yehushua, and were met with strong opposition by the IFB's on my Timeline.  I have one Messianic Jew on my "friend's" list.  However, he is saved.  We have talked about salvation.  He was saved out of the Messianic movement.  

Sadly, these people are so despised by the Jews, that the many Jews think the Messianics are like Bible believing Christians.  I know a few Jews who are saved.  At first they went into a Messianic temple and made a beeline for the door in three years tops.  Sadly, many of these Jews are now Torah OBservant (Orthodox) Jews.  Yet, they were raised in Secular Jewish homes.  The MJ's have pushed them back into their shuls.  Well, it is no wonder, b/c MJ's don't teach the deity of Jesus Christ.  They are so caught up in the law, and are "wanna be Jews" or they like to play dress up.  Jews who have escaped to Bible believing churches are many times in charismatic churches, as well.

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It tends to go one of two ways doesn't it? - either a person raised in a Jewish home accepts Jesus as their Savior and then joins a church that is full of errors, or a Christian goes into the Hebrew Roots Movement, and through a series of events denies Christ altogether and converts to full-blown Judaism. It's the progression of their false doctrine:

 

Heart for the nation of Israel>wanting to understand the Jewish faith and traditions of Jesus>wanting to identify with "spiritual Israel">Sabbath keeping>kosher diet>OBserving the feasts>claiming Paul's epistles were placed in the Bible by Constantine>now the validity of the entire New Testament is in question>the Trinity is a false doctrine created by goddess-worshiping Catholics>denial of the Deity of Christ>denial of Jesus altogether>conversion to Judaism 

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I was thinking of this over the past week. One passage of Scripture that I have presented to people belonging to the HRM is Galatians 2:21 and 3:1-2:

 

 

 

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.  O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not OBey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

I have yet to meet a person of the Hebraic Roots persuasion who can tell me how this passage doesn't negate their claim that we must keep the law, beyond "Paul was a false apostle and his writings were slipped into the Scriptures by Constantine". Another classic one they like to throw out there, to somehow claim we Christians (heaven forbid! They'd never call themselves Christians!) are too dumb to compose a proper exegesis of the passage in Galatians is 2 Peter 3:16-17. Interestingly enough, there are only two major translations that translate verse 17 to say "carried away by the error of the lawless" - the NIV and the ESV. The other translations are more OBscure and, of course, their "Hebrew translations" use the term "lawless" in that verse. The KJV says, "being led away with the error of the wicked". Basically, they claim Paul wrote in a manner that was too complicated for mere mortals to understand, therefore, people have abandoned Torah, because they simply misunderstood Paul.

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I was thinking of this over the past week. One passage of Scripture that I have presented to people belonging to the HRM is Galatians 2:21 and 3:1-2:

 

 

I have yet to meet a person of the Hebraic Roots persuasion who can tell me how this passage doesn't negate their claim that we must keep the law, beyond "Paul was a false apostle and his writings were slipped into the Scriptures by Constantine". Another classic one they like to throw out there, to somehow claim we Christians (heaven forbid! They'd never call themselves Christians!) are too dumb to compose a proper exegesis of the passage in Galatians is 2 Peter 3:16-17. Interestingly enough, there are only two major translations that translate verse 17 to say "carried away by the error of the lawless" - the NIV and the ESV. The other translations are more OBscure and, of course, their "Hebrew translations" use the term "lawless" in that verse. The KJV says, "being led away with the error of the wicked". Basically, they claim Paul wrote in a manner that was too complicated for mere mortals to understand, therefore, people have abandoned Torah, because they simply misunderstood Paul.

How clever of them to use those modern versions and come up with such a twisted interpretation!  Wow!  I know there many in the HRM who simply "hate" the apostle Paul.

 

JHM, have you seen this article on HRM?

The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2
Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul

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I cannot believe the number of HRM people who despise the Apostle Paul.  They are simply modern day Judaizers.  As for the Bible?  They use to Complete Jewish Bible, which is a perverted Modern Version.  They despise the KJV and are under the delusion that King James wrote the KJV.  Many believe that the Hebrew names in the NT for the Jews, let's say James, were changed by King James.  They think Jame's name was changed from a Hebrew name, and King James used his name to glorify himself.  SMH  

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I cannot believe the number of HRM people who despise the Apostle Paul. They are simply modern day Judaizers. As for the Bible? They use to Complete Jewish Bible, which is a perverted Modern Version. They despise the KJV and are under the delusion that King James wrote the KJV. Many believe that the Hebrew names in the NT for the Jews, let's say James, were changed by King James. They think Jame's name was changed from a Hebrew name, and King James used his name to glorify himself. SMH

The accusation against the Apostle Paul, of being a fake, is the biggest thing I've heard.
They acknowledge Jesus as another prophet, but say that He never claimed to be God.

The Charismatic movement has led up to this generation being pointed towards either Judaism or Rome.
More signs of the approaching end.

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How clever of them to use those modern versions and come up with such a twisted interpretation!  Wow!  I know there many in the HRM who simply "hate" the apostle Paul.

 

JHM, have you seen this article on HRM?

The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2
Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul

They have to. It's the only way to get around their Judaizing. I have been to the NTEB blog before, but I totally missed that article, so that you for posting that!

 

I cannot believe the number of HRM people who despise the Apostle Paul.  They are simply modern day Judaizers.  As for the Bible?  They use to Complete Jewish Bible, which is a perverted Modern Version.  They despise the KJV and are under the delusion that King James wrote the KJV.  Many believe that the Hebrew names in the NT for the Jews, let's say James, were changed by King James.  They think Jame's name was changed from a Hebrew name, and King James used his name to glorify himself.  SMH  

Yep. Another one they use is called the HalleluYAH Scriptures. That's a shady organization right there, owned by a couple from New Zealand (Max and Shalom Weiss) who have swindled untold thousands from their followers, as well as rOBbed their volunteers of their time. The website claims you can receive a free copy of the HalleluYAH Scriptures, as part of their ministry, but when you click to order they ask you make a minimum donation of $15 to cover media mail and administrative costs. For $500 you can receive the leather bound copy of the book. Wow! They also sell copies of "the lost books", such as the Book of Maccabees. One of their biggest associates here in the States is Alan Horvath - an aging hippie guitar player who converted from a lifestyle of rock and roll and now follows "the Hebrew way". It's hard to find a lot of information on him, but he's not a very pleasant person. According to some of the volunteers for the HalleluYAH Scriptures, Alan, along with Max and Shalom, have been known to bully and threaten the volunteers here in the States who diligently store and package, in their homes, copies of the book that have been ordered within the US. 

 

The accusation against the Apostle Paul, of being a fake, is the biggest thing I've heard.
They acknowledge Jesus as another prophet, but say that He never claimed to be God.

The Charismatic movement has led up to this generation being pointed towards either Judaism or Rome.
More signs of the approaching end.

Anishinaabe

Yeah, I know a lot of so-called "Messianic Jews" or Hebrew Roots people who deny the Trinity, Jesus' Deity. Sadly, a lot of Baptists are dabbling in this. Some friends from a former Baptist church I attended held a Passover seder, complete with wine. 

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In part 1 of that NTEB article on Hebrew Roots, there is a picture of the "Restoration Scriptures: True Name Edition".  They don't say much about it in that article, so I'm going to do a little "digging".

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    • Razor

      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      Psalms 139 Psalm 139:9-10
      9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy righthand shall hold me. 
       
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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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