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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

 

In this life and the life to come the Lord is superior on that we can all agree.  

 

By comparing husbands to the Lord that makes them superior.

 

8)For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9)Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

 

The pride of life makes it hard for us to humble ourselves below others. I'm just a church member, I must humble myself below the Pastor and Deacons but when I do so Jesus blesses me and gives unity to our church.

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Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

 

In this life and the life to come the Lord is superior on that we can all agree.  

 

By comparing husbands to the Lord that makes them superior.

 

8)For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9)Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

 

The pride of life makes it hard for us to humble ourselves below others. I'm just a church member, I must humble myself below the Pastor and Deacons but when I do so Jesus blesses me and gives unity to our church.

It's interesting to see those who can so freely quote Ephesians 5:22 about wives submitting to their own husbands as unto to the Lord, but continually fall short of quoting the rest of that passage in Ephesians 5 where it says that 1. We are to submit to one another in the fear of God and 2. Husbands are to love their own wives as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it. (verse 25).  Marriage is a picture of Christ and the church.  Do you all realize that not all husbands are godly husbands?  Are you saying that a wife must submit to the ungodly whims of her husband?  Women are not doormats.  As the husband loves his wife as Christ also loved the church, it is a joy for a wife to submit to her husband as unto the Lord....but not as an inferior person, but as her husband's "helpmeet"

 

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

Our "humility" is before the Lord, not "below" any man, not even your pastor. 

 

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

 

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

We are to obey those who have the "rule over us"

 

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

 

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

What if your pastor is teaching false doctrine?  Do you check out what he is teaching according to what the Bible teaches?  Are you a Biblical Berean? Do you simply "accept" what your pastor teaches as truth just because he is the pastor and would never teach false doctrine?  Nobody is "above" correction....not even the pastor.

 

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

 

Every person is saved the same way and the ground is level at the foot of the cross.  In Christ, we are all equal...but we function differently within the body of Christ, but nobody is inferior to another member of that body.

 

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

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The Bible is very clear about the status of women.  Yes, they are inferior to men.  Because the Bible says so.  That doesn't take away from one's familial love!  I love my dogs, too, and they surely aren't of equal stature.


Did you really just say that about loving your dogs in the same context as loving your wife? LOL. I feel sorry for your wife......
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It's interesting to see those who can so freely quote Ephesians 5:22 about wives submitting to their own husbands as unto to the Lord, but continually fall short of quoting the rest of that passage in Ephesians 5 where it says that 1. We are to submit to one another in the fear of God and 2. Husbands are to love their own wives as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it. (verse 25).  Marriage is a picture of Christ and the church.  Do you all realize that not all husbands are godly husbands?  Are you saying that a wife must submit to the ungodly whims of her husband?  Women are not doormats.  As the husband loves his wife as Christ also loved the church, it is a joy for a wife to submit to her husband as unto the Lord....but not as an inferior person, but as her husband's "helpmeet"

 

 Yes

 

 

Paul answered this in 2 Corinthians 6

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

Look what God asked Hosea to do. Talk about an ungodly marriage yet God told Hosea to marry her. Do you think he felt like a doormat?

 

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

Our "humility" is before the Lord, not "below" any man, not even your pastor. 

 

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

 

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

We are to obey those who have the "rule over us"

 

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

 

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

What if your pastor is teaching false doctrine?  Do you check out what he is teaching according to what the Bible teaches?  Are you a Biblical Berean? Do you simply "accept" what your pastor teaches as truth just because he is the pastor and would never teach false doctrine?  Nobody is "above" correction....not even the pastor.

 

I'll pray for him and when Jesus tells me to I'll talk to him. Maybe Jesus will have someone else talk to him. I want to be a help in time of trouble or error and a man who abandons people in need. I'm sure Jesus will tell me when its time to gird up my loins and flee.  

 

Sure

 

Yes and Yes

 

I've found Jesus does a much better job doing the correcting than men or women.

Proverbs 3:12

For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Hebrews 12:6

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 

Yes, I am below the pastor, Jesus raised him up to that position in the church. At the foot of the cross being saved we are side by side but in Jesus' church he is above me. Should I be offended that Jesus chose to raise him up? God forbid. I'm thankful. I have my place and I'm happy with it. My job is to help him in his work. I should give "amens" and encourage the leadership.

 

I have a good Pastor. If I have a problem and tell him he has a problem. He came to see my dying father in the hospital many times, the deacons did too. My elderly mother has been ill, many prayers have went up for her. We was waiting on a cancer test and he called told me he had to step out on faith, during his prayer time Jesus gave him peace it was going to come back normal, it did. When I have the flu, bad cold, etc, they call ask can they bring me some soup leave it on the porch. We know you are laid up, we coming over to the mow the yard this week. He made himself a servant to a whole church and Jesus raised him up to be an under shepherd. Good leadership not only makes it easy for ME to submit, (they can't submit for me or force me to submit) they also make me want to follow them as they follow Jesus.

 

 

 

Every person is saved the same way and the ground is level at the foot of the cross.  In Christ, we are all equal...but we function differently within the body of Christ, but nobody is inferior to another member of that body.

 

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

 

Would you say you are equal to Jesus? You are part of his body.

 

Is a coronel equal to a general? They are in one body, the army. Yet they aren't equal the general can tell the coronel what to do.

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Adam was created first, and the woman was formed afterwards. God formed the man to lead, and He formed the woman to follow. This does not mean the woman is to be a door mat. She is a highly exalted creature made in God's image; she has beautiful gifts which have brought manifold benefits to mankind; she is to be valued and cherished. Her place in creation is simply different from that of the man.

 

Women are not inferior to men.

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Stand equal? Yes!  Created equal? No!

 

Praise!

Deacon Dixon

 

Wow, the last 3 words in your post seem to be praising Deacon Dixon! I suppose that shows just how much you think of your self. No wonder you think women are inferior to you.

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Authority does not mean dictatorship and "control".

 

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

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Scripture is clear that men and women are equal in Christ. The fact we have different God-given roles or that we each have different gifts, skills, abilities and such, doesn't make one superior or inferior to the other. We are both dead in our trespasses and sins and we are both only made right before God by being born again in Christ.

 

My wife may have sewing skills superior to mine, but that doesn't make her superior any more than my having superior bookkeeping skills makes me superior to her.

 

We should praise God for the areas our spouses are more skilled and gifted than we are; and we should praise God for the skills and gifts we have that enable us to help in areas our spouse is weaker.

 

Unfortunately we have many pastors today who are so polluted with the way the world views these things that they often preach about the superiority of women, whether they realize it or not. They preach about the strong single mothers, the multitasking wives/mothers who take care of their children and husbands so well, how women with jobs still do so much around the house, etc.

 

Meanwhile, they often talk men down as if all men go to work and come home only to complain (or abuse) their wives and sit around doing nothing while their wives wait on them hand and foot. These sort of pastors seem to ignore the dads who come home and tend to the yards, repairs, auto maintenance, helping their children with homework or practice for sports, or even help their wives in the kitchen or elsewhere around the house.

 

Praise and thanks be to God for the pastors who preach the Word of God and seek to edify both men and women, husbands and wives.

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Scripture is clear that men and women are equal in Christ. The fact we have different God-given roles or that we each have different gifts, skills, abilities and such, doesn't make one superior or inferior to the other. We are both dead in our trespasses and sins and we are both only made right before God by being born again in Christ.

My wife may have sewing skills superior to mine, but that doesn't make her superior any more than my having superior bookkeeping skills makes me superior to her.

We should praise God for the areas our spouses are more skilled and gifted than we are; and we should praise God for the skills and gifts we have that enable us to help in areas our spouse is weaker.

Unfortunately we have many pastors today who are so polluted with the way the world views these things that they often preach about the superiority of women, whether they realize it or not. They preach about the strong single mothers, the multitasking wives/mothers who take care of their children and husbands so well, how women with jobs still do so much around the house, etc.

Meanwhile, they often talk men down as if all men go to work and come home only to complain (or abuse) their wives and sit around doing nothing while their wives wait on them hand and foot. These sort of pastors seem to ignore the dads who come home and tend to the yards, repairs, auto maintenance, helping their children with homework or practice for sports, or even help their wives in the kitchen or elsewhere around the house.

Praise and thanks be to God for the pastors who preach the Word of God and seek to edify both men and women, husbands and wives.

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Jewish women were also not treated like doormats. They were honoured and provided for and protected by their husbands - not walked on.

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1Cor 11:7:  For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  :amen:  :hide:
 

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WOW this guy needs some ministry himeslf.

 

the husband is commanded four times to love his wife in the Holy Bible.  this is because he tends to equate his love  with his hard work to provide for her. 

 

So guys take time to show your love and say "I love you" to your wives.

 

Now women are told to reverence her husband.

 

This is because women have a tendency to love with emotions.  I noticed and most guys do (so women pay attetion).  Women are able to shut off their love like a water faucet when they FEEL they are not loved or getting their way.  Female love is emotional so God goes the direction that go beyond emotion and tells them to reverence their husband.  To show respect even when you don't FEEL you love them or are being loved.

 

Ladies where are you respecting your husbands and where are you not?

 

But notice that husband and wife are to submit one to another.  Eph 5:21 ¶ Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.  This is not an easy thing to do in our modern world view of I am my own man or woman ideology.  If you wont submit to each other then you are not submitting to the word of God.  If you are not submitting to the word of God in this area I would say you are not submitting to the word of God in other areas as well.

 

We are to treat our wives well, with respect and love.  We are to submit where needs be and they are where it is needed as well. 

 

Look what happened when Sarah submitted to Abraham in claiming he was her brother and leaving out he was her husband?

 

Did Sarah get introuble?

 

No, Abraham did, but even in his sin God still blessed him.

 

Ladies don't argue.  Submit and let all responsibility fall on your husbands and like Sarah your life will be more blessed for it.

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I have always looked at this issue in this way:

 

The order God has set is:

God the Father,

God the son,

the Man(husband)

and the Woman(wife)

 

Many insist woman is at the bottom, she is of east value, less equal, whatever. Man is clearly abover her thus better. However, Jesus is below His Father-doe that, then, make Him inferior to the Father? Is He of less value? Clearly, no. Just because the Lord has set some in positions in this life, doesn't change equality/value/worth, whatever. It is an necessary order for this life. In the next, we won't be married, we will each be an individual, judged upon our own standing with Christ and our own works.

 

Order does not define equality. Am I ess of a man that my supervisor at work? No, but for the sake of order at work, he has been placed in a higher place, positionally. But we are equals as people.

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      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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