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You own child guy? I doubt it but go ahead and lie to the crowd and Holy Ghost to try to be right about everything again.

 

Everything about you is clueless and one thing I can guarantee is if I saw you in person you would change your prideful, need to be right, opinion about this topic in a hurry.

Is this a threat? 

 

Did you realize that communicating threats over the internet is a Federal crime?

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Except a man be born again, he will not see the kingdom of heaven....aborted babies have yet to be born the first time let alone again.

Man is without excuse because nature itself speaks of God...aborted babies have not seen nature.

 

There is Sripture that gives the criteria on going to heaven.  Obviously it is impossible for an aborted baby to be included in this criteria.  So the Sripture you are using to explain who goes to heaven is the same Scripture that is used to explain how an aborted baby can go to heaven.

According to Scripture a baby in the womb is already who they were formed to be by the hand of God and they have some level of consciousness and awareness. That said, what verses of Scripture tell of any way for anyone to enter heaven without first being born again in Christ.

 

On a side note, I didn't put forth any Scripture saying babies can't go to heaven because I never even said they can't go. I'm simply asking what verses declare an exception to the verses which clearly state that no one can enter heaven outside of being in Christ.

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So much for one having to come through Christ.  They can just die and get into heaven according to some. 

Ungodly doctrine, that is.

 

As was asked by another poster earlier, if a baby can get into heaven by just dying, why not just kill the babies and assure them of that place?  Why wait until they can die in sin and be damned for eternity?

 

Something wrong with that theology that teaches one can die without trusting Christ but still enter Heaven.

MATTHEW 18:

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

"As little children"?

Little children, including unborn infants, are totally dependent, helpless, innocent, humble, and trusting.

 

My personal belief is that an infant and little child has the same standing as Adam and Eve had before they sinned. We are not spiritually "dead" until we sin for the first time.....notice.....

 

Romans 7:9 

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

 

One more verse.....

 

Isaiah 1:18

 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

Salvation can only happen to someone with some ability to "reason". A severely mentally handicapped person, or an infant cannot do that yet.

 

 

 

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It is obvious to me that this dixon idiot, SFIC and John have no experience with a small child dying or misscarried children. Your wild spectulations would be on the opposite spectrum.

 

Use some sensitively since you are all clueless to what the real truth of the matter is. Think of those who have suffered these losses before you blurt your meaningless opinions.

 

I realize that some have zero life apart from this forum and the internet but you don't have to post misguided or knee jerk opinions about every, single subject.

This is exactly the type of post Suzy and others were referring to in another thread regarding why it's so hard to try and have a discussion with IFB folks. You are jumping to absurd conclusions.

 

I never said a baby could or could not go to heaven. I simply asked for the Scriptures that tell us there is a special way into heaven for babies or anyone else.

 

Myself, sibling twins were stillborn to my Mom and my first baby sister died shortly after birth. I could go on but my emotional and actual experiences with such have no bearing upon what Scripture does or does not say.

 

We (IFBs) always say we go only by what Scripture clearly teaches, which is why I'm asking for the clear Scripture telling of the alternate ways to enter heaven.

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I'm against abortion because it's the murder of innocent human lives. I'm against Calvinism because it's a false witness against the character of the true and living God...They're both abominations before God. God is Love...end of story. He isn't selfish and greedy for some warped man-conceived concept of "glory". He isn't "sovereign" in the sense that Calvinists define it. But He is all powerful and when He says "that's it"....that will be it, my friend. By His supreme power He will judge all of the unrepentant abortionists and the false witnesses in the end and He will have them all cast into Hell whose names are not written in the Book of Life. Will you continue to bear false witness of His Holy name? He is gracious and merciful but He will judge you one day if you don't repent and trust Jesus. Jesus is the God who gave Himself on Calvary for the whole world, for whosoever will. All babies are "conceived in sin" but until they have sinned the first time, and had no opportunity to repent, they are NOT lost.   If you don't know true love....you do not know Him.

I don't know what Calvinism has to do with this (perhaps I missed that somewhere) but I'm against murder of any person at any age, whether a second old, well over a hundred or anywhere in between. Scripture teach us that murder is a sin. That in itself should be enough to satisfy any professing Christian on the matter. (Yes, I know it doesn't, but those who don't accept that must go through all sorts of contortions outside of Scripture to try and justify their stance)

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MATTHEW 18:

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

"As little children"?

Little children, including unborn infants, are totally dependent, helpless, innocent, humble, and trusting.

 

My personal belief is that an infant and little child has the same standing as Adam and Eve had before they sinned. We are not spiritually "dead" until we sin for the first time.....notice.....

 

Romans 7:9 

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

 

One more verse.....

 

Isaiah 1:18

 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

Salvation can only happen to someone with some ability to "reason". A severely mentally handicapped person, or an infant cannot do that yet.

 

 

 

 

The Matthew verse is speaking of being humble and fully trusting as a child.

 

Most IFBs I know of believe there will be no old or young in heaven, but that everyone will have a perfect, glorified adult body (many think akin to about a 33 year old) so if that's the view held, the idea of there being children in heaven is moot; unless some believe that heaven is populated by perpetual 1 month olds, 13 month olds and such.

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I don't know what Calvinism has to do with this (perhaps I missed that somewhere) but I'm against murder of any person at any age, whether a second old, well over a hundred or anywhere in between. Scripture teach us that murder is a sin. That in itself should be enough to satisfy any professing Christian on the matter. (Yes, I know it doesn't, but those who don't accept that must go through all sorts of contortions outside of Scripture to try and justify their stance)

 

The OP somehow blended Calvinism with the subject, albeit a twisted form of it.

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I don't know what Calvinism has to do with this (perhaps I missed that somewhere) but I'm against murder of any person at any age, whether a second old, well over a hundred or anywhere in between. Scripture teach us that murder is a sin. That in itself should be enough to satisfy any professing Christian on the matter. (Yes, I know it doesn't, but those who don't accept that must go through all sorts of contortions outside of Scripture to try and justify their stance)

Where's the contortion, John 81? This thread isn't about "murder"; it's about the Living God (supposedly) damning unborn infants to Hell. That's a false witness of the character of God. I'm not versed in all flavors of theology, but the only folks I've come across, so far, who believe this stuff are folks of the Calvinist persuasion. 

 

(edited typo)

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The Matthew verse is speaking of being humble and fully trusting as a child.

 

Most IFBs I know of believe there will be no old or young in heaven, but that everyone will have a perfect, glorified adult body (many think akin to about a 33 year old) so if that's the view held, the idea of there being children in heaven is moot; unless some believe that heaven is populated by perpetual 1 month olds, 13 month olds and such.

Yes, it is. Absolutely.

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Where's the contortion, John 81? This thread isn't about "murder"; it's about the Living God (supposedly) damning unborn infants to Hell. That's a false witness of the character of God. I'm not versed in all flavors of theology, but the only folks I've come across, so far, who believe this stuff are folks of the Calvinist persuasion. 

 

(edited typo)

Salyan just mentioned there was something in the first thread about Calvinism. I must have missed that. I understand what you were trying to refer to now.

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This is exactly the type of post Suzy and others were referring to in another thread regarding why it's so hard to try and have a discussion with IFB folks. You are jumping to absurd conclusions.

 

I never said a baby could or could not go to heaven. I simply asked for the Scriptures that tell us there is a special way into heaven for babies or anyone else.

 

Myself, sibling twins were stillborn to my Mom and my first baby sister died shortly after birth. I could go on but my emotional and actual experiences with such have no bearing upon what Scripture does or does not say.

 

We (IFBs) always say we go only by what Scripture clearly teaches, which is why I'm asking for the clear Scripture telling of the alternate ways to enter heaven.

How much clearer can you get with David saying he will go to his baby.  He seemed to be ok with it, so I don't believe the "going to" was talking about seeing his child at the great white throne judgement being cast into hell because it didn't make a conscious decision to accept Christ.  I don't believe it was talking about a casket because there would still be mourning because ain't no casket going to make you feel good about seeing your dead child.  So I believe this Scripture is all about David being with his child in heaven.

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How much clearer can you get with David saying he will go to his baby.  He seemed to be ok with it, so I don't believe the "going to" was talking about seeing his child at the great white throne judgement being cast into hell because it didn't make a conscious decision to accept Christ.  I don't believe it was talking about a casket because there would still be mourning because ain't no casket going to make you feel good about seeing your dead child.  So I believe this Scripture is all about David being with his child in heaven.

First, that verse says nothing at all about there being any way to heaven other than through Christ.

 

Second, none of us know for sure what David meant when he made that statement. Maybe he was saying he would see the baby in heaven, maybe he was saying he too would go to the grave. We don't know.

 

Is Scripture wrong when it says there is only one way to heaven? Is there an "exception" passage which lists one or more other ways a person can get to heaven other than through Christ? Is it possible Scripture doesn't specifically address this and we are left to trust God with the matter, or not?

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Let's just run down to our hospitals and kill all the infants in the nurseries.  After all, the Bible does say "He that winneth souls is wise" and that would be a sure win of many souls for the kingdom.

That is, if your 'die without Christ and still get to heaven' doctrine is true.

 

Since those babies are already under grace, you wouldn't be do anything but disobeying "thou shalt not kill".

 

There is a preponderance of Scripture that makes it clear that the unborn, infants and for lack of a better word, retards, are under grace.  It was clear to David, it's clear to me, besides, it just makes sense!

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Well...I honestly don't believe David alluded to just joining his child in the grave.  After all, he said "...I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."  Somehow I can't picture him thinking that his grave would be the house of the Lord.

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If those babies are "under grace," then it is because of one reason and one reason only... they trusted Christ.

He that believeth not is condemned.  No man cometh unto the Father but by the Son.

You say there is a preponderance of Scripture to show babies will go to heaven without trusting Christ, yet, in reality there is no preponderance of Scripture that says such.

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