Members Anon Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 Actually, though, it is. If it went to court and it was found out that the teacher had been informed (even though it might be considered hearsay) she could get in trouble. I think it's more than too much time on their hands...I think it's proof that our teachers have been socilized!! (as in - trained to be good socialists!) I see what you are saying....but to me, as a former teacher...the odds are so much worse that my call will ruin a family, as compared to the odds that it will actually go to court and my name would be brought up. I mean yeah, if I see bruises, yeah I'll say something. But if not...I would just say "Hey the kid had no bruises, he was socially normal, his parents were nice, I had no reason to believe the brother's side comment was anything serious." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted October 27, 2008 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2008 I agree with you - unless there were significant signs of damage, I wouldn't say anything...and even then, I certainly wouldn't go to authorities. I'd go to someone in the church first (not another member, to gossip, but probably a deacon, if the father, as in this case, was the pastor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Too many rights for the kiddos is what it boils down to. Sociologists just sit around thinking of new ideas that hinder the moral character of our youth. Many of them aren't married or they are living in "alternative" life styles. I have seen it. As a former school teacher...parents were afraid to discipline their children for fear of social workers and school psychologists. Put the school psychologist in a classroom with 30 children, and they didn't know what "classroom management" was. It was hilarious, in fact. They are licensed to teach but can't discipline at all. Instead, they try to reason and speak philosophical "mumbo jumbo" to our youth. The children ended up making their own rules (or lack of.) Another example of a society gone haywire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members no name joe Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't know the details here, but if he spanked hard enough to bruise, then they did the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted October 27, 2008 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't know the details here' date=' but if he spanked hard enough to bruise, then they did the right thing.[/quote'] Not quite. Bruising is not always caused by being too hard. Many people bruise very easily - I am one. My husband just taps me sometimes and I bruise. And it was said that there were slight bruises, but the pics showed only redness. Not enough to be charged with a felony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trc123 Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I learned much from my dad applying the board of education to the seat of knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't know the details here' date=' but if he spanked hard enough to bruise, then they did the right thing.[/quote'] More kids get bruises from their parents letting them play youth football or soccer, than from being correctly punished. As a matter of fact, tons of kids get bruises from the bikes their parents buy them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deafnva77 Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't know the details here' date=' but if he spanked hard enough to bruise, then they did the right thing.[/quote'] it's depends. Personally, I would not leave a bruise on my son if I was going to spank him. But if I had to compare which is better.... spanking or severe bruises and broken bones from across a street without looking because he disobey, I think I would rather for him to experience pain from spanking (I am NOT talking about bruising him ) than from being hit by a car because he disobey me when I told him no. I want him to relate pain to danger. you know, put 2 and 2 together. Why do you think kids stop touching hot stoves? because they have experienced the pain from touching it. So spanking can be a healthy. I mean, I don't know a single child who learned their lesson not to touch hot stuffs without ever experiencing a single burn. (in fact, some parents teach their kids the one finger touch ) but I don't want them dead from learning everything themselves either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I agree...I'm not for bruising my kid at ALL....I hate that....don't like it one bit. However if a child is stubborn and keeps refusing to obey....and keeps earning punishment...there comes a point where somebody is going to win. To let your child win means you have lost the battle for a LONG time. Bruising should not be normal or common or happen very much. But if it happens on occasion....because of a very stubborn child....a strong will....how can that be abuse? Here is what I heard in the store that was abusive. A mom telling a child it was time to go home, "Please stop playing with the toys, please come home." Little girl kicks and cries saying "No! No! No!" Mom picks up kicking screaming child and says "Stop it now, stop it...you are gonna get yelled at....stop it." "No! No! No!" What happens when this child says NO to a policeman someday? "Mom never did more than yell at me...you mean now I have to get a ticket???" Kids must learn consequences to sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators OLD fashioned preacher Posted October 27, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't know the details here' date=' but if he spanked hard enough to bruise, then they did the right thing.[/quote'] Don't overlook the doctor's statement that there was NO swelling and that this WAS NOT abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members no name joe Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 To clarrify my post, I have nothing against spaking, though I will use it as a very last resort with my child. I do think if there are other ways to effectively discipline, those methods should be used first, but spaking as a last resort. It should be up to the parent about how to discipline their child. However, no parent should ever hit a child hard enough to leave a bruise. If I saw a childed that had bruses that looked like they were caused from hitting or spaking, I would call the authorities immediately. Just saying someone spanked their child is not enough. So what is? Well, if I saw a child walking slowly, sitting slowly, acting like he was sore when he sat down, etc. I would certainly ask the child what the problem was. If he said his parents spanked him, I'd ask when and if it still hurt. If it still hurt, and I'd ask him if there were bruises there. If a parent leaves a bruise, that is not right. I've seen some horrible photos of children who had black and blue behinds from "spanking." That is abuse, I don't care how to phrase it. Like I said, I don't know all the facts about this situation, but if there were bruises, then an investigation is appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members no name joe Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 That is different. I'm just saying if there are bruises, an investigation is absolutely needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 I want to say too, that some children bruise easier than others. If you are talking a very small bruise, I think that's different than what you are describing, their whole butt being black and blue. And it certainly should never be on the back. God made the behind to be full of nice padding so nothing is injured. I am totally saying that a bruise should NOT be common, if ever...but there are times, with a stubborn child, they may get a very small bruise, every once in awhile, especially if fair skinned. That is not abuse. Constant bruising, or large bruises, would yes, be abuse. You have to remember too that parents who discipline their children in love with a spanking are much less abusive than a parent who never touches their child, yet screams and yells and cusses at them day in and day out. Why can't we through those kinds of parents in jail? Kids are suicidal all the time...possibly from severe emotional abuse? That's worse than any occasional rear end bruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryNumbers Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to Prov 29:15 (KJV) 3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Prov 26:3 (KJV) 14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Prov 23:14 (KJV) 13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Prov 23:13 (KJV) 15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Prov 22:15 (KJV) 24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Prov 13:24 (KJV) 13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding. Prov 10:13 (KJV) God is pretty clear on it. Like its been said, some children are very strong willed and to stop them from doing wrong, that which is harmful, it take more than a pat, some time its take enough to bruise their behind. If you let the child win, them that child is more than likely lost. And no, a bruise being present does not mean an investigation is needed. Some people have never dealt with a very strong willed child that believe this, if they have, they lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to Prov 29:15 (KJV) 3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Prov 26:3 (KJV) 14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Prov 23:14 (KJV) 13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Prov 23:13 (KJV) 15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Prov 22:15 (KJV) 24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Prov 13:24 (KJV) 13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding. Prov 10:13 (KJV) God is pretty clear on it. Like its been said, some children are very strong willed and to stop them from doing wrong, that which is harmful, it take more than a pat, some time its take enough to bruise their behind. If you let the child win, them that child is more than likely lost. And no, a bruise being present does not mean an investigation is needed. Some people have never dealt with a very strong willed child that believe this, if they have, they lost. I was just fixin' to put some Scripture up for this and I'm thankful you did the work for me :Green Too many people don't take the Word of God seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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