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How do these verses square against those professing Christ who refuse correction; refuse to follow Christ's ways?

Proverbs 15:10 - Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

Jeremiah 5:2-4 - And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely. O Lord, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return. Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

Jeremiah 7:26-28 - Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee. But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

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How do these verses square against those professing Christ who refuse correction; refuse to follow Christ's ways?

Proverbs 15:10 - Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

Jeremiah 5:2-4 - And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely. O Lord, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return. Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

Jeremiah 7:26-28 - Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee. But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.


It seems to say if they're lost, they will hate correction.

Maybe that's why some strike back when someone, corrects, tries to set them on the right course.
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If you are interested in a good read, One Book Stands Alone: The Key to Believing the Bible, by Dr. Stauffer is one I highly would recommend. It goes over in great detail the reasons why the modern versions (perversions) could not possibly be the Word of God and effectively proves how and why the King James Version is God's Word preserved for the English language.

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I think perhaps the reason many otherwise intelligent, godly people resist using the KJV, even when one can point out clear probems with the alternatives, comes right down to pride. Its the old, "You ain't the boss of me" attitude, or at loeast, that's been my experience. They just plain don't want to, and no one's going to tell them otherwise. Its the same attitued in the contemporary worship and dress issues-"I'm going to do as I see fit and no one will tell me othewise"

I did a lesson one Sunday on dressing in a godly manner. Afterward, a lady in the church, in her late 60's, who always wore dresses to church, declared to me that no one was going to tell her how to dress, that she would dress as she chose, and I never saw her in a dress again.

Another sermon, which I preached on a Sunday I was going to baptize a girl, so her grandparents were present, I mentioned, in passing, a problem with CCM. It wasn't the sermon, just a very brief comment. After service and the baptism, her grandfather came to me, and man in his 60's, stuck his finger in my chest and said, (not making this up), "Hey, dude! Show me in the BIble where it says rock music is wrong! Its not there! There's nothing wrong with christian rock music!", and he stalked off, got in his car, and remained there waiting for his wife to join him. Seriously, it was like a rebellious teenager! Later, his son, who attended the church, told me that I should steer clear from his father because he might want to punch me. A grandfather, supposedly a Christian.

Pride and rebellion-much of why people won't hear anything different in what they do "for the Lord" is pride, pure and simple, and I think it is a big part of the versions debate. Not about pleasing the Lord, but pleasing one's self.

Or that's how I have seen it.

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The anti-KJB/pro-MV crowd is larger, louder and has more control over Christian media. Just as the public schools indoctrinates millions with their ungodly secular humanism, so most Christian media (radio, TV, magazines, etc.) indoctrinates millions of Christians with how much better MVs are, how the KJB is outdated, how modern scholars know more than the KJB translators and have access to "older and better" manuscripts which enable them to create more accurate versions than the KJB.

After years, and often decades, of such indoctrination, many Christians simply have this engrained into their minds and see no reason to study for themselves what they think they already know from those years of indoctrination.

Such indoctrination is not easily overcome.

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...and I count it a blessing!

I was a member of the forum 1858remington.com and the enemies of Christ (professing Christians) have banned me for quoting God's Word in the off-topic section. I told them I would not cower or be bullied when they could call evil (drinking,smoking,pornography) good and good (God's Word) evil.

I am continually amazed at the blindness of the lost, not just to God's Word but to common sense and rational thought processes.

It is my hope that while there, some of the men thought about their spiritual conditions and turned to Christ.


"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. - Matthew 5:10-13"

 

I've been banned from CatholicForums.com several times for, in their words, "Prosletizing (sic) and promoting doctrines contrary to Catholicism", ironically, for presenting the Gospel to a group of people who insist that they're Christians.

 

I was banned from two Christian message boards because of a misunderstanding and was later re-instated.

 

In the first case, I dared to question a moderator's knowledge about music and he chose to abuse his moderator authority. I was reinstated and he was relieved of his duties. I didn't want him fired, I just wanted him to calm down and listen to what others had to say.

 

In the second, I was talking to a poster and he inadvertantly said something that didn't make sense. I responded by making a reference to George Burns' standard response whenever Gracie would tell him something silly (nothing mean or insulting about it). The moderator in that forum was sixteen years old and didn't know who George Burns or Gracie Allen were and thought I was mocking the Christian doctrine of grace.

 

I was also banned from a secular music board for saying that atheists always come across as being very angry (and they do). The message I got from the admin read (and this is verbatem...I had this as my sig for a long time): "You're welcome to stay here or to leave. But if you stay, the Jesus talk stops NOW".

 

So, two were from non-Christian message boards and both were for standing up for Biblical principles.

 

Two were from Christian boards, and both times were mistakes and the boards handled it very humbliy and impressively.

 

There is another one, though, one I still laugh about. I was once banned from a Christian message board for pointing out that many Southern Gospel groups use studio musicians who also play on secular records. One of the mods threw a temper tantrum and started calling me a liar and telling me that he was friends with one of the bands I mentioned and how I was not allowed to slander them that way.

 

The problem is that there is a website that lists the credits for various albums and I was able to copy and paste the credits from that band's albums and cross reference the credits of the studio musicians on that album with their other work.

 

The guy's reaction was so over the top funny that it was almost worth getting banned.

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Funny this topic should resurface as discontent over my Biblical assertions has caused a minor furor on another forum these past days and just came to a head this morning.  Sure hope it doesn't end the same way but will count it a blessing if it does.

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I was banned once from a Baptist forum, though I never knew why-I tried to join and was refused with no explanation. Otherwise, the only other forum I have been in, (FFF anyone?) I left by choice because of the poor spirit ad nasty attitudes there. Also, it seemed pretty heavily Calvinist, and that's where most of the arguments were.  

 

Here, we argue some things, but the spirit seems better, so I like it here.

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I think perhaps the reason many otherwise intelligent, godly people resist using the KJV, even when one can point out clear probems with the alternatives, comes right down to pride. Its the old, "You ain't the boss of me" attitude, or at loeast, that's been my experience. They just plain don't want to, and no one's going to tell them otherwise. Its the same attitued in the contemporary worship and dress issues-"I'm going to do as I see fit and no one will tell me othewise"

I did a lesson one Sunday on dressing in a godly manner. Afterward, a lady in the church, in her late 60's, who always wore dresses to church, declared to me that no one was going to tell her how to dress, that she would dress as she chose, and I never saw her in a dress again.

 

Doesn't that mean you ought to be telling them to read the NIV?

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Censoring is getting worse.  Now there's some San Francisco liberal following me around on THR editing my posts, shutting down threads I've participated in and just sent me a warning.  I checked the forum rules and see no justification for his actions, another mini-statist at work.

 

Even the gun-lovin folks there are as lost as Nancy Pelosi and as void of the Truth as John Kerry.  Maybe the Lord is tryin' to tell me somethin'!  Not to cast my pearls before swine comes to mind.

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I save them the trouble of banning me, I don't go to any other forum.  In fact, I only check my email and see if my name is in the obituaries yet, oh, and gas prices locally.  I do not "surf" or whatever they call it now because I am satisfied with OB.  Besides, I am almost computer illiterate, and don't wish to take the months of training it takes to become a nerd.  I do play a lot of games offline though.

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Censoring is getting worse.  Now there's some San Francisco liberal following me around on THR editing my posts, shutting down threads I've participated in and just sent me a warning.

 

Looks like it's rubbing off on you--I see you've gone back and edited your own post! ;-)

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I save them the trouble of banning me, I don't go to any other forum.  

 

 

Maybe the Lord is trying to get me to do something similar.  After failing to figure out the pretzel the San Fran PC Police twisted the rules into to support his actions, I quit.  I've limited my participation in the BP forums too as only the Devil is welcome there.  Just mention a scripture verse and it's too much for them to handle.  Speaking of the things of God is as natural to me now as air and water.  Those lost folks surely don't get it. 

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Maybe the Lord is trying to get me to do something similar.  After failing to figure out the pretzel the San Fran PC Police twisted the rules into to support his actions, I quit.  I've limited my participation in the BP forums too as only the Devil is welcome there.  Just mention a scripture verse and it's too much for them to handle.  Speaking of the things of God is as natural to me now as air and water.  Those lost folks surely don't get it. 

Scripture says the lost are blinded to the truth, even as we once were before being born again and filled with the Holy Ghost.

 

The lost need to hear the Gospel. If they reject the Gospel, they will not understand or accept biblical principles, commands, or guidance.

 

This goes back to the issue of separation. We are called to live separate, peculiar lives, reflecting Christ and being about spreading the Gospel and making disciples. Worldly forums and such are for the world. We can sometimes put forth the Gospel there, but that will usually lead to banning, but we really can't participate well without compromising and being like the world or casting our pearls before swine, seeing the lost trample them in the mud.

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Scripture says the lost are blinded to the truth, even as we once were before being born again and filled with the Holy Ghost.

 

The lost need to hear the Gospel. If they reject the Gospel, they will not understand or accept biblical principles, commands, or guidance.

 

This goes back to the issue of separation. We are called to live separate, peculiar lives, reflecting Christ and being about spreading the Gospel and making disciples. Worldly forums and such are for the world. We can sometimes put forth the Gospel there, but that will usually lead to banning, but we really can't participate well without compromising and being like the world or casting our pearls before swine, seeing the lost trample them in the mud.

 

I've come to that realisation myself. Last year I left a forum devoted to a certain local TV show that I had been involved with for some three years. (I also stopped watching the show in question at around the same time). I was quite heavily involved in that forum and was even an admin on it for a while! But then I got born again and three weeks after that, I tried to witness. It was NOT well received, needless to say, although I made a few mistakes of my own. Three people in particular attacked me with a savagery that was positively demonic. Well, that was the end of me being an admin, but perhaps because I had been a longstanding member with a good track record prior to my witnessing attempt, I wasn't banned. Was inclined to leave there and then, but felt it might have been perceived as sour grapes (and there probably would have been a touch of that, even though I had a strong conviction in my spirit that I just wasn't meant to be involved in running that forum any more). So I hung around it for a few more months, but finally realised that it was doing me no spiritual good whatsoever. There were a lot of dirty jokes, swearing, hatred of God, anger and so on that was far from edifying, and even the best and most interesting discussions still contained mostly vain and empty talk.

 

So at last, I faced up to the growing conviction that I no longer belonged in that forum and that I moreover needed to separate myself from it. Those people were all of the world, and wanted to only talk of worldly things. I on the other hand wanted to talk about the things of God now, but couldn't on there. They didn't want to know God, or about God. Some of them openly hated Him. Many of them were also very left wing/liberal/socialist types. I was pretty much the only Christian, and almost the only member with conservative views (such as being pro-life). So I was ultimately a fish out of water, and once I lost interest in the TV show to which the forum was devoted, remaining on there was even more pointless. One day therefore I just said a perfunctory farewell and quietly slipped out. Even though I had been part of that forum for so long, I barely missed it. Nobody seemed to miss me that much either - partly because I had been contributing less and less in my last few months there, but also after I had nailed my Christian colours to the mast, they'd all gone off me. When I was still of the world, those worldly people loved their own (although there were two or three who disliked me and the feeling was very much mutual), but when it was clear I was no longer of the world, they gave me the cold shoulder. Well actually, some of them were still reasonably nice, but there definitely wasn't the warmth of before.

 

The writer of Ecclesiastes makes several references to "vanity and vexation of spirit", and in the end, that is precisely what that forum became for me. As with Lot in Sodom, I felt vexed by all the filthy behaviour and talk on it. Indeed, I now regret having devoted so much of my time and energy to it. But of course, I haven't simply forgotten the people on it, and can only hope and pray that some of them might be saved some day. But in their present state, they are no good for me spiritually, and I think in a way, I'm not much good to them either. But at least I did try, however clumsily, to warn them of their eternal peril.

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I've come to that realisation myself. Last year I left a forum devoted to a certain local TV show that I had been involved with for some three years. (I also stopped watching the show in question at around the same time). I was quite heavily involved in that forum and was even an admin on it for a while! But then I got born again and three weeks after that, I tried to witness. It was NOT well received, needless to say, although I made a few mistakes of my own. Three people in particular attacked me with a savagery that was positively demonic. Well, that was the end of me being an admin, but perhaps because I had been a longstanding member with a good track record prior to my witnessing attempt, I wasn't banned. Was inclined to leave there and then, but felt it might have been perceived as sour grapes (and there probably would have been a touch of that, even though I had a strong conviction in my spirit that I just wasn't meant to be involved in running that forum any more). So I hung around it for a few more months, but finally realised that it was doing me no spiritual good whatsoever. There were a lot of dirty jokes, swearing, hatred of God, anger and so on that was far from edifying, and even the best and most interesting discussions still contained mostly vain and empty talk.

 

So at last, I faced up to the growing conviction that I no longer belonged in that forum and that I moreover needed to separate myself from it. Those people were all of the world, and wanted to only talk of worldly things. I on the other hand wanted to talk about the things of God now, but couldn't on there. They didn't want to know God, or about God. Some of them openly hated Him. Many of them were also very left wing/liberal/socialist types. I was pretty much the only Christian, and almost the only member with conservative views (such as being pro-life). So I was ultimately a fish out of water, and once I lost interest in the TV show to which the forum was devoted, remaining on there was even more pointless. One day therefore I just said a perfunctory farewell and quietly slipped out. Even though I had been part of that forum for so long, I barely missed it. Nobody seemed to miss me that much either - partly because I had been contributing less and less in my last few months there, but also after I had nailed my Christian colours to the mast, they'd all gone off me. When I was still of the world, those worldly people loved their own (although there were two or three who disliked me and the feeling was very much mutual), but when it was clear I was no longer of the world, they gave me the cold shoulder. Well actually, some of them were still reasonably nice, but there definitely wasn't the warmth of before.

 

The writer of Ecclesiastes makes several references to "vanity and vexation of spirit", and in the end, that is precisely what that forum became for me. As with Lot in Sodom, I felt vexed by all the filthy behaviour and talk on it. Indeed, I now regret having devoted so much of my time and energy to it. But of course, I haven't simply forgotten the people on it, and can only hope and pray that some of them might be saved some day. But in their present state, they are no good for me spiritually, and I think in a way, I'm not much good to them either. But at least I did try, however clumsily, to warn them of their eternal peril.

 

Many times if we speak up for our Savior among the lost we don't have to worry about separating from them, they will separate from us & or as the case may be in forums, ban us.

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Most Christian boards out there have little to no discernment. They reject the KJB, accept infant Baptism and most even call Catholics Christians. This site seems to be one of the few places left for uncompromising sanity. Well, at least for the most part. ;)

what????  Catholics ARE Christian!!  I feel sorry for your lack of education on a topic you are NOT obviously able to talk about!

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what????  Catholics ARE Christian!!  I feel sorry for your lack of education on a topic you are NOT obviously able to talk about!

 

Well, you could present more argument and maybe dissuade the individual from their view. Just a thought.

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