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John Wesley preached a works salvation too, and look how popular he was!

Andrew Murry is a Lordship salvation preacher, and he has also written many books. I have one by him, although I did not read it through, and probaly won't.

There are a lot of them out there, but God can use them, especially if they preach a good sermon sometime.
(You don't hear much about Lordship salvation anymore, I wonder why?)

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​I looked over the link, and it's obvious that this is a pro-MacArthur writing...and the writer goes on to lump anyone who proliferates the fact that MacArthur downplays the blood of Christ as a "mili

MacArthur is one to be greatly wary of. He has many teachings which are simply not biblical. And he looks way to much like Chevy Chase to be trusted...........

It isn't necessarily "wrong" but you should be careful. If you read after people with some unbiblical doctrines they can influence you in those areas sometimes without you even realizing it.

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Even folk like Benny Hinn say alot of good stuff and I would imagine even Jim Jones did too. I've heard Methodist preachers preach the Gospel. As well I've heard Pentecostals. One was my own cousin who by all indications is a good man, and seems to be straight doctrinally. But when I heard my cousin say, from the pulpit, that we have to keep living right to stay saved, I wrote off his preaching right there. A man may say that we are saved by grace through faith, and that Jesus died for all men, and that Jesus is the only way, etc. But the moment a man says that God will take away one's salvation, that man, in effect is denying Jesus, IMO.

Many "IFB's" teach "reformed doctrine". They can teach the whole plan of salvation just as straight as a plumbline but when they sprinkle in the rat poison of "limited atonement" and all the heresy that goes with it, they are not preaching the Jesus I know. They're preaching another representation of the true and living God. (Romans 1:23). Well. this sheep don't know your voice....he follows the one who loved the whole world, bled and died for every man, and it is will for ALL to be saved. My Jesus is totally different from McArthur's and Pipers. I don't know much about the rest on the list.
Isn't rat poison suppose to be over 90% good, wholesome, nutritious corn?

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Even folk like Benny Hinn say alot of good stuff and I would imagine even Jim Jones did too. I've heard Methodist preachers preach the Gospel. As well I've heard Pentecostals. One was my own cousin who by all indications is a good man, and seems to be straight doctrinally. But when I heard my cousin say, from the pulpit, that we have to keep living right to stay saved, I wrote off his preaching right there. A man may say that we are saved by grace through faith, and that Jesus died for all men, and that Jesus is the only way, etc. But the moment a man says that God will take away one's salvation, that man, in effect is denying Jesus, IMO.

Many "IFB's" teach "reformed doctrine". They can teach the whole plan of salvation just as straight as a plumbline but when they sprinkle in the rat poison of "limited atonement" and all the heresy that goes with it, they are not preaching the Jesus I know. They're preaching another representation of the true and living God. (Romans 1:23). Well. this sheep don't know your voice....he follows the one who loved the whole world, bled and died for every man, and it is will for ALL to be saved. My Jesus is totally different from McArthur's and Pipers. I don't know much about the rest on the list.
Isn't rat poison suppose to be over 90% good, wholesome, nutritious corn?


No doubt, those that believe in works based salvation can talk a good talk, claiming their saved by grace fooling those that believe the one correct way to be saved. Its been done on here.
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So is it wrong if I read some of their works?... Well his book (Max Lucado) fearless taught me a lot about trusting GOD. And MacArthur'sTHE TRUTH WAR taught me about the wrong teachings like something about the Nicolatians... etc.

Oh and about Joyce Meyer I really don't agree that women can preach and lead the church. Even if I am a woman. Jesus, wants men to lead and I follow that. And also that's why GOD created men first... and then women the next! :)

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So is it wrong if I read some of their works?... Well his book (Max Lucado) fearless taught me a lot about trusting GOD. And MacArthur'sTHE TRUTH WAR taught me about the wrong teachings like something about the Nicolatians... etc.

Oh and about Joyce Meyer I really don't agree that women can preach and lead the church. Even if I am a woman. Jesus, wants men to lead and I follow that. And also that's why GOD created men first... and then women the next! :)


It isn't necessarily "wrong" but you should be careful. If you read after people with some unbiblical doctrines they can influence you in those areas sometimes without you even realizing it.
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So is it wrong if I read some of their works?... Well his book (Max Lucado) fearless taught me a lot about trusting GOD. And MacArthur'sTHE TRUTH WAR taught me about the wrong teachings like something about the Nicolatians... etc.

Oh and about Joyce Meyer I really don't agree that women can preach and lead the church. Even if I am a woman. Jesus, wants men to lead and I follow that. And also that's why GOD created men first... and then women the next! :)


Once you know that it's wrong, turn away from it. The doctrine of separation was given to us by Christ to protect His sheep from the machinations of the world. Turning away from it also means to not recommend it to anyone else, or sell it on ebay, throw it away or use it to keep warm on a cold night.
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I recall the story of the saloon owner that got saved. I can’t remember the story perfectly, but it went something like this. He was taking all the liquor out in the street, pouring it out. One Christians stopped him, saying, “Why pour it out, sell it, & you can put the money to good use.”

The newly saved saloon owner stated, “I could never do that, that would be like selling out my Savior.”

Anyway, who wants to profit from sin? Surely not a child of God.

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I recall the story of the saloon owner that got saved. I can’t remember the story perfectly, but it went something like this. He was taking all the liquor out in the street, pouring it out. One Christians stopped him, saying, “Why pour it out, sell it, & you can put the money to good use.”

The newly saved saloon owner stated, “I could never do that, that would be like selling out my Savior.”

Anyway, who wants to profit from sin? Surely not a child of God.


I stupidly did that once. My wife and I were never "drinkers" but over the years we had amassed a collection of booze that we didn't drink. Once the Lord showed us it was sin and we accepted that truth, I foolishly gave it all to a friend of ours. I immediately wrote an apology and said friend went ballistic and was very upset with me for saying that drinking alcohol is a sin while rejecting all of the 70 passages of Scripture I sent along with the letter. Now, during those 3 years awash in the error of the emergent church, I have a large amount of books from all manner of heretics waiting for a cold winter night to kindle the fires with! Won't make that mistake again!
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I recall the story of the saloon owner that got saved. I can’t remember the story perfectly, but it went something like this. He was taking all the liquor out in the street, pouring it out. One Christians stopped him, saying, “Why pour it out, sell it, & you can put the money to good use.”

The newly saved saloon owner stated, “I could never do that, that would be like selling out my Savior.”

Anyway, who wants to profit from sin? Surely not a child of God.

That's one of the signs a person is truly born again in Christ, they are new creatures in Christ and their lives and actions will show this.

One thing I enjoy when reading about Billy Sunday is how many saloon keepers, prostitutes and the like were born again in Christ and immediately their lives were changed. They closed down their saloons and brothels and no longer walked in these sins. They didn't keep living in these sinful things until they could find another job, or until they made enough money to do something else, their repentance was genuine, they were truly born again, they were new creatures in Christ and their lives immediately reflected this.
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And now days many professing Christians, even Baptist, will go into the drinking selling business trying to make money. It seems most feel the life they live is completely different & separate to what is taught in church. That is a job pays good money, no matter what it is, its right for the professing Christian.

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Well, Piper is calvinist yes, but his sermons may be hard to understand or maybe it's just me. But his books are okay. I have not read all of them though. Max Lucado is very dangerous. Very. I mean, they may mean well, but false teachers not only deceive others, they are deceived themselves. He is in the same road with RIck Warren and Bill Hybels with the emergent church idea...

John McCarthur has some books that I think are biblical, but yes, since he does not believe that the blood saves us, we may have to be on our guard with this one. It is written that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Why?

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

So, if he refuses to believe that, he refuses to believe the Bible.

Joshua Harris is like a psychologist, Hehehe. But I have his book I kissed dating goodbye. I have not read it though..

Tozer is good. At least his 'Attributes of God' books are biblical.

Spurgeon' sermons are okay. Not very much attuned to listening to him anyways.

Matt chandler is also a calvinist, but his sermons are good. So far I have not found any unbiblical interpretations.

I listen to Paul Washer too. I don't think he is heretic like people claim that he is. I even think I share the gospel similar to how he does.. Start with depravity. ending with the glorious hope in Christ.

I have two books of Jerry Bridges, are they good?

:) Grace to all.

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By the way... Seems like everyone is all against calvinistic principles.. I tried to check what a calvinist really stand firm for and I quite think I agree to it 80%... I do not believe in free will. :) I mean, it is hard to believe, but yes. Jeremiah 10:23-24
So there's the total depravity and Unconditional Grace/ atonement

But, as with the limited atonement, that is where I do not agree. Christ died for the sins of the WORLD. Not just the believers.
That is where the parable comes in! Matthew 13:44 In order to get the people He chose for Himself, which is the ''treasure''
He bought the entire field!

For the arminians belittle the sovereignty of God..

What about calvinism do you think are unbiblical?

Thanks..

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The problem with Calvinism is that the idea of limited atonement spreads through the rest of the doctrines. For example, Calvinism would say that because atonement is limited (i.e.:God only died for the elect), therefore His grace, when extended is irresistible. It would claim Perseverance of the Saints (which is not the same as Eternal Security) because since man couldn't pick to get saved, he certainly can't pick to get unsaved! "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." Because of this overlapping of doctrine, I really don't think people can be 'partial' Calvinists. You either are or you ain't. :)

You're right, the doctrine of limited atonement is false. And such a blasphemy to our Lord who died for the sins of the world! (John 3:16) Take a look at the second half of that verse. What does it say? "that whosoever believeth in Him..." Whosover! Not some predetermined elect! Rev. 22:17 says "whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely.'" There's that whosoever again! But what comes after it? Whosoever will. That Will there refers to the choice man has to accept or reject Christ. Luke 13 speaks of Christ mourning over Jerusalem, saying that He would gladly have gathered her children together to Him, but they would not! That will to accept or reject is free will. Jeremiah 10:23-24 is referring to the fact that man does not have the wisdom to choose and direct his own way - and choose it right! He needs the Lord's leading and guidance. It is not referring to salvation.

Because man has a free will, therefore Calvinism falls apart. Man is depraved, yes, but he is not so Totally Depraved (as Calvinism would teach) that he cannot even choose Christ when God calls him. Unconditional Election is the idea that, based on Christ supposedly only dying for the sins of the elect, God has pre-picked the elect. There is no unconditional grace in Calvinism! UE is again Biblically false - if God picked some for hell, then why does He say that He "is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance"? (2 Pet. 3:9) It would be very double-minded of God for Him to say that He doesn't want any to perish, but then to personally choose - to create! - men for that very purpose! Frankly, a god that created men only to destroy them would be a horrible god. Our God is not such. Ezekiel 33:11 tells us that He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but desires them to turn from their wicked ways and live. He is calling them to turn! Where is this Unconditional Election here? Limited atonement, as you've already pointed out, is a direct contradiction of Christ's once-for-all atonement. Irresistible Grace cannot exist while man resists God. Ezekiel 33:11/2 Peter 3:9 again - we see here clearly that God clearly wants all to come to salvation - well, if man could not resist God's grace, why aren't they all saved? And the final point, Perseverance of the Saints, we see to be a corruption based on the other false TULIP doctrines. Once saved, always saved, yes - but not once saved because God picked us to go to heaven and we had no say in it and therefore always saved because we can't have a say against it.

Calvinism is an insidious doctrine that oh-so-subtly twists the pure Word of God. We have a nearby church that is being infiltrated by it, and it does seem from our observation of the church and various friends within it that no one ever learns Calvinism from the Bible! It has to be taught by hearing men and reading man's books. That's why it's so dangerous to listen to men like Paul Washer or John Piper - you might plan on chewing the meat and spitting out the bones, but are you sure you can always tell what the bones are? The Bible tells us to "mark them which cause divisions contrary to the faith (i.e. false doctrine) and avoid them". We are to separate ourselves from learning or reading their false doctrine lest it rub off on us!

BTW, one does not have to be either Calvinist or Armenian. Both are unbiblical. My pastor likes to say he's a Biblicist! ;)

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salyan, Its so sad, it seem most who have had their mind poisoned by the heresy teaching of the TULIP doctrine can hardly ever see, understand the many plain teaching Scriptures that teaching violates.

And you have a godly pastor saying that he is a Biblicist.

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Calvin did some good things in his time but even he, like most of the theologians during his day, still had a lot of Catholicism in their blood. The RCC ruled the landscape for 1000 years until this time. You don't just snap out of it over night. It takes time to rediscover the doctrines of the bible. Calvin desired to build a church/state just like a papist would want to do. Luther considered himself Catholic until they day he died even though he got bounced from the RCC. It's time to move on from men like Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, Melanchthon, Knox, etc. to men whom God revealed more of his scripture too. I truly believe a lay person of today who loves God, lives and holy life and believes that God's word (KJV) is pure can know more of the "deep things of God" (I Cor. 2:10) then the fathers of the Reformation.

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[99] I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
[100] I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

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Calvin did some good things in his time but even he, like most of the theologians during his day, still had a lot of Catholicism in their blood. The RCC ruled the landscape for 1000 years until this time. You don't just snap out of it over night. It takes time to rediscover the doctrines of the bible. Calvin desired to build a church/state just like a papist would want to do. Luther considered himself Catholic until they day he died even though he got bounced from the RCC. It's time to move on from men like Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, Melanchthon, Knox, etc. to men whom God revealed more of his scripture too. I truly believe a lay person of today who loves God, lives and holy life and believes that God's word (KJV) is pure can know more of the "deep things of God" (I Cor. 2:10) then the fathers of the Reformation.

Psalm 119

[99] I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
[100] I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.


Some seem to think its impossible to live a good Christian life today, they seem to be always holding up pastors of yesterday years of whom they never met, who they were never around.
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The problem with Calvinism is that the idea of limited atonement spreads through the rest of the doctrines. For example, Calvinism would say that because atonement is limited (i.e.:God only died for the elect), therefore His grace, when extended is irresistible. It would claim Perseverance of the Saints (which is not the same as Eternal Security) because since man couldn't pick to get saved, he certainly can't pick to get unsaved! "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." Because of this overlapping of doctrine, I really don't think people can be 'partial' Calvinists. You either are or you ain't. :)

You're right, the doctrine of limited atonement is false. And such a blasphemy to our Lord who died for the sins of the world! (John 3:16) Take a look at the second half of that verse. What does it say? "that whosoever believeth in Him..." Whosover! Not some predetermined elect! Rev. 22:17 says "whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely.'" There's that whosoever again! But what comes after it? Whosoever will. That Will there refers to the choice man has to accept or reject Christ. Luke 13 speaks of Christ mourning over Jerusalem, saying that He would gladly have gathered her children together to Him, but they would not! That will to accept or reject is free will. Jeremiah 10:23-24 is referring to the fact that man does not have the wisdom to choose and direct his own way - and choose it right! He needs the Lord's leading and guidance. It is not referring to salvation.

Because man has a free will, therefore Calvinism falls apart. Man is depraved, yes, but he is not so Totally Depraved (as Calvinism would teach) that he cannot even choose Christ when God calls him. Unconditional Election is the idea that, based on Christ supposedly only dying for the sins of the elect, God has pre-picked the elect. There is no unconditional grace in Calvinism! UE is again Biblically false - if God picked some for hell, then why does He say that He "is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance"? (2 Pet. 3:9) It would be very double-minded of God for Him to say that He doesn't want any to perish, but then to personally choose - to create! - men for that very purpose! Frankly, a god that created men only to destroy them would be a horrible god. Our God is not such. Ezekiel 33:11 tells us that He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but desires them to turn from their wicked ways and live. He is calling them to turn! Where is this Unconditional Election here? Limited atonement, as you've already pointed out, is a direct contradiction of Christ's once-for-all atonement. Irresistible Grace cannot exist while man resists God. Ezekiel 33:11/2 Peter 3:9 again - we see here clearly that God clearly wants all to come to salvation - well, if man could not resist God's grace, why aren't they all saved? And the final point, Perseverance of the Saints, we see to be a corruption based on the other false TULIP doctrines. Once saved, always saved, yes - but not once saved because God picked us to go to heaven and we had no say in it and therefore always saved because we can't have a say against it.

Calvinism is an insidious doctrine that oh-so-subtly twists the pure Word of God. We have a nearby church that is being infiltrated by it, and it does seem from our observation of the church and various friends within it that no one ever learns Calvinism from the Bible! It has to be taught by hearing men and reading man's books. That's why it's so dangerous to listen to men like Paul Washer or John Piper - you might plan on chewing the meat and spitting out the bones, but are you sure you can always tell what the bones are? The Bible tells us to "mark them which cause divisions contrary to the faith (i.e. false doctrine) and avoid them". We are to separate ourselves from learning or reading their false doctrine lest it rub off on us!

BTW, one does not have to be either Calvinist or Armenian. Both are unbiblical. My pastor likes to say he's a Biblicist! ;)





Thanks! Now I know. I never thought that to be able to call yourself a calvinist you have TO EXCLUSIVELY adhere to what it professes.

Well, I am not a calvinist then! :)

I have to admit, I may have read the entire bible and yet not know everything, Praise Jesus that I get to ask in this website for BIBLICAL answers.

But, John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And
Jeremiah 10:
23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
24 O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.


I don't know. But I do not think that man's free will is as great as I formerly believed. Before I became a Christian,. I do not want anything about God! I hated people who tried to convert me. But when He manifested Himself to me, drew me to Him, I can't resist. Why would I resist? For the first time, I found Him, Jesus, BEAUTIFUL and this same God, said He loves me.
I did not planned or decide that on my own. I did not planned a year ago before my conversion that "On that day, I will love God.:"

There are things I can't explain. But Jesus asked me, "If I never get to tell you why, will you still trust me? Still believe me? Still love me? "

Isaiah 55
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Believe me, in my walk with Him, I have experienced a whole lot more than to the long years of my life I knew Him not, combined.
Life became harder, more problematic, and more DEPENDENT. :)

But I have more peace :)

So, I guess, yes, we can choose to do things now, but man's free will is nothing.

but the question is, if Papa[God] is the one who draws people to himself, how about the others who refuse Him? Or say those who may have never heard about Jesus?

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Hahahaha.. I am happy I am not God. I don't have to immerse myself to solve all this issues! HAHAHA...
:) But imagine how GREAT He is to be able to take into consideration all these things... The God who Breathe the stars to place! Who sustains all creation and He does not fail in any of it. :) And He is our Father, :P

How blessed,

Grace to all.
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BTW, one does not have to be either Calvinist or Armenian. Both are unbiblical. My pastor likes to say he's a Biblicist! ;)


Great point salyan! Unfortunately, Calvinists believe...If you're not a Calvinist, you're an Arminian. I don't know if Arminians believe that vice-versa.

There are Calvinist churches, there are Arminian churches...and there are plenty of good and sound Bible-believing churches that don't hold to either camp (though they're becoming a minority it seems).

Both Calvinism and Arminianism have dangerous and false doctrines in their belief system. I don't understand why some people think you're either one or the other. I'm like your pastor, I'm not going to align myself with anything that contradicts scripture.

The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's the book for me. I'll stand alone on the word of God (not "Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion" or Arminius' "Five Articles of Remonstrance")...the B-I-B-L-E! :singing:

I'd never even heard of either until I got a computer, and I'd never been taught either system growing up in church.
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Thanks! Now I know. I never thought that to be able to call yourself a calvinist you have TO EXCLUSIVELY adhere to what it professes.

Well, I am not a calvinist then! :)

I have to admit, I may have read the entire bible and yet not know everything, Praise Jesus that I get to ask in this website for BIBLICAL answers.

But, John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And
Jeremiah 10:
23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
24 O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.


I don't know. But I do not think that man's free will is as great as I formerly believed. Before I became a Christian,. I do not want anything about God! I hated people who tried to convert me. But when He manifested Himself to me, drew me to Him, I can't resist. Why would I resist? For the first time, I found Him, Jesus, BEAUTIFUL and this same God, said He loves me.
I did not planned or decide that on my own. I did not planned a year ago before my conversion that "On that day, I will love God.:"

There are things I can't explain. But Jesus asked me, "If I never get to tell you why, will you still trust me? Still believe me? Still love me? "

Isaiah 55
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Believe me, in my walk with Him, I have experienced a whole lot more than to the long years of my life I knew Him not, combined.
Life became harder, more problematic, and more DEPENDENT. :)

But I have more peace :)

So, I guess, yes, we can choose to do things now, but man's free will is nothing.

but the question is, if Papa[God] is the one who draws people to himself, how about the others who refuse Him? Or say those who may have never heard about Jesus?

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Hahahaha.. I am happy I am not God. I don't have to immerse myself to solve all this issues! HAHAHA...
:) But imagine how GREAT He is to be able to take into consideration all these things... The God who Breathe the stars to place! Who sustains all creation and He does not fail in any of it. :) And He is our Father, :P

How blessed,

Grace to all.


I don't know how others feel about this, but I cannot stand for people not to show disrespect for God, by calling Him papa or the Man Upstairs.

They just plainly refuse, Our Lord knocks, yet if they do not open the door, he never breaks in, or forces His way in. As already shown, its whosoever, & His will is actually everyone to be saved.

And as I preciously stated, if the TULIP doctrine was true, everyone that finds their self in Hell would be able to blame God, saying, You would not let us get saved, making Romans 1:18,19,20, which you posted, a lie, for they would have a
legitimate excuse.

I've heard of people that stated, 'I'm just to bad to be saved, with the sins I've committed, God does not want me nor will He save me,' perhaps someone gave them a big dose of Calvinism, & after hearing it they thought there was no way God would chose them to be saved because they've been to bad, I have to be one of those God rejected & doomed for Hell not matter what I do. When the fact is.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Re 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Confess their sins, Freely open that door, call on the name of the Lord, drinking the water of life freely & they will be cleansed from all unrighteousness.
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I don't know how others feel about this, but I cannot stand for people not to show disrespect for God, by calling Him papa or the Man Upstairs.

They just plainly refuse, Our Lord knocks, yet if they do not open the door, he never breaks in, or forces His way in. As already shown, its whosoever, & His will is actually everyone to be saved.

And as I preciously stated, if the TULIP doctrine was true, everyone that finds their self in Hell would be able to blame God, saying, You would not let us get saved, making Romans 1:18,19,20, which you posted, a lie, for they would have a
legitimate excuse.

I've heard of people that stated, 'I'm just to bad to be saved, with the sins I've committed, God does not want me nor will He save me,' perhaps someone gave them a big dose of Calvinism, & after hearing it they thought there was no way God would chose them to be saved because they've been to bad, I have to be one of those God rejected & doomed for Hell not matter what I do. When the fact is.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Re 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Confess their sins, Freely open that door, call on the name of the Lord, drinking the water of life freely & they will be cleansed from all unrighteousness.

Papa means daddy, father, and is a term of endearment for many. While it differs depending upon the culture, for some Papa means father, for others Papa is more intiment like daddy. We read in Scripture of calling God, "Abba, Father", which basically means "Daddy, Father".

Papa means Daddy or Father for many around the world and is not at all like saying "the man upstairs", which is disrespectful.
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