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I posted this earlier in the thread:

I am having a hard time with my little 1yr. old. I wrote in another thread about her having a UTI last month. Well, I had to take her in for these two tests to "make sure" that there wasn't anything "wrong" with her that caused the infection. After they put her through a super traumatic experience (so much so, that my pediatrician's office told me to contact the hospital and tell them about it--which I did so, as politely as possible) the doctor had his nurse call and tell me they scheduled Liddy an appt. to see a "specialist" over a condition the radiologist told me was "slight", that she would "grow out of" and it was "not a big deal". Apparently, they want to have the specialist give their opinion of whether or not she should be on antibiotics prophylactically until she "outgrows" it (which could be a year or two). So......if I refuse to put my baby on antibiotics for a couple of years, do I, like the OP article parents, have to worry about DSS coming in and trying to take my baby away? That is ridiculous, and yet it is the same thing, isn't it? Now, my reasons for not wanting my baby on extended antibiotics, are not "religious", and I am prepared to show her doctor scientific data from the official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics that demonstrate its negative consequences, but I am also preparing myself for him to throw a fit about it. It should not be like that! I am not unreasonable, I am going to suggest that if he want to culture for UTI every so often out of "precaution", so be it, but I think the method that we choose to manage my daughter's medical needs ought to be her father's and my decision, not a mandate of a 3rd party.


Ptwild, Do you think I ought to be horsewhipped or have my child taken away if I don't concur with the pediatrician on the use of prophylactic antibiotics for my baby? Once the intrusion into our personal lives by the gov't and medical community start..........where does it end?
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I posted this earlier in the thread:


Ptwild, Do you think I ought to be horsewhipped or have my child taken away if I don't concur with the pediatrician on the use of prophylactic antibiotics for my baby? Once the intrusion into our personal lives by the gov't and medical community start..........where does it end?


You do realize that doctors are infallible, omniscient, always pure of motive and never proud? In fact, they are never subject to the same frailties, emotions or shortcomings that those who are lesser learned! You should always without question accept their opinions and directives!
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You do realize that doctors are infallible, omniscient, always pure of motive and never proud? In fact, they are never subject to the same frailties, emotions or shortcomings that those who are lesser learned! You should always without question accept their opinions and directives!


That IS where this is all heading, is it not? Trust them and obey without question or asking for a second opinion......or else they will call the local social worker and straighten you out.......after all they have that authority and duty to do so........those people have control issues with their pride.
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I am always amazed at the post made on this subject. It seems that some believe in personal rights so much that if their neighbor was abusing his underage daughter they would not want any one to interfere. One thing for sure, it sounds if they would not report it, but let the abuse continue for they feel its that fathers personal right and no one should butt in.

How in the world could you set back and let underage children suffer?

I've heard of cures that come about because of natural treatments, but the facts are always fuzzy and cannot be backed up. Most of the time its someone who knows someone who had a friend who tries a natural cure and it worked, which is nothing but gossip, you know what God says about gossip.

Them there's the one who claims their doctor did some scans on them and said they had cancer, refused regular treatments, use natural treatments and now claims to be cured, but there is always a problem, they can't produce the scans to prove they had cancer to begin with.

These natural cures have been around many years, even before our modern medicine, look at the number of early deaths that took place back in the old days for many people, them you can see that the natural cures were not very successful. But of course many of the modern day natural cures are only the invention of a person who wants to get your money, and they're getting rich doing so, for there be many who falls for their trickery.

Its just amazing at what some will fall for, perhaps its the fear of death that makes some people reach for every natural cure and or everything that promises a long healthy life, them as a last effort, call on the Lord hoping for a miracle cure from Him.

As for this mother and father, I dislike the choice they've made, and I dislike the government treating them as criminals. We had a incident like this in our home community a few years back, only it was grand parents with their grand son. He had treatment one time, and did not want no more, it was sad to see a teenager died from a cancer of which the doctors gave more than a 60% change of survival if he took the treatments. No one interfered, that is the way it should be with these parents, the government ought to stay out of it.

As you can see the time is coming that parents will no have no rights.

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Jerry, abuse of a neighbor's child by that neighbor would be EVIL and therefore the powers that be should intercede. A family deciding to try another cure instead of chemo I just don't see as being EVIL in the eyes of God. The government may not like it but I feel that should be left up to the family. Again, chemo a lot of times is worse than the cancer and does more damage to the individual than the cancer itself.

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One other thing, commies always take over by claiming concern for the children. Therefore you look like an ogre or evil doer if you resist them because you see their real motive, Power and money.

There has to be a time when we say, "a'nuff is a'nuff!" to an all invasive government. This is not what the forefathers wanted.

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I posted this earlier in the thread:


Ptwild, Do you think I ought to be horsewhipped or have my child taken away if I don't concur with the pediatrician on the use of prophylactic antibiotics for my baby? Once the intrusion into our personal lives by the gov't and medical community start..........where does it end?


I didn't say anyone SHOULD be horse whipped, only that they would deserve it. If their is no credible medical doctor that will agree that your choice of treatment is in the best interest of the child, then you should not be allowed to continue with that a treatment as opposed to following the directives of the physicians. Giving birth to someone does not give you the right to force (or withhold) proper medical treatment from that person.
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I didn't say anyone SHOULD be horse whipped, only that they would deserve it. If their is no credible medical doctor that will agree that your choice of treatment is in the best interest of the child, then you should not be allowed to continue with that a treatment as opposed to following the directives of the physicians. Giving birth to someone does not give you the right to force (or withhold) proper medical treatment from that person.

pt, I'm sorry, but you are operating out of ignorance here. "Should not be allowed?" And whose decision should that be? Doctors? Doctors who put people on antibiotics who don't need them? Oh, yes, they do it all the time. Antibiotics for colds, which are viruses and do not respond to antibiotics...and the doctors know this. Just test it - once you have a child, if he or she has a runny nose, no matter the reason - take the child in...they'll give you an antibiotic for it. That'll solve the problem, because they are all knowing, right? Wrong. Antibiotics may help clear up some bacterial infections (by no means all of them!), but they don't do squat for viruses. What they will do is suppress the immune system so that the child will be prone to other problems.

You don't have to believe me, that's okay. But I've seen that happen over and over again. I've worked with kids for years, as a teacher, as a day care worker, as a day care owner, in my ministries. And it's happened over and over and over again. I've seen it in my own son - given antibiotics for a virus and when I questioned the doctor about he got angry - and then, lo and behold found that it was bacterial after all.
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There is one way a people can be controlled quite well: through their kids. Fear of losing their children will make people do all kinds of things they wouldn't otherwise do. And that is where we are in this country. Sad.
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Jerry' date=' abuse of a neighbor's child by that neighbor would be EVIL and therefore the powers that be should intercede. A family deciding to try another cure instead of chemo I just don't see as being EVIL in the eyes of God. The government may not like it but I feel that should be left up to the family. Again, chemo a lot of times is worse than the cancer and does more damage to the individual than the cancer itself.[/quote']

Wilchbla, didn't say it was evil for parents to seek out natural cures, but I did say what it was, its money grubbers taking advantage of sickness in order to get their money, that is what those natural cures are, and I gave the reason why, its snake oil. But I did say it was their right to do so. Its amazing to me how many Christians will fall for snake oil cures, I can understand those who have no hope falling for it, but I can't understand those who have that "Blessed Hope" falling for snake oil, and I sure can't understand them calling on the Lord as their last resource, last hope when death is at hand.

Its quite clear, some on here believes that a family should never receive interferences from the government in family matters concerning their children, no matter what is going on, that has been expressed in many topics on this board, when you have read as many topics as I have on OB them you may come to understand the views some hold on this matter.

I feel strongly in some cases medical doctors push chemo therapy on cancer patients knowing this therapy will not cure them while telling that person this will help them. Both Linda and I saw this when her sister went thru Mesothelioma treatments. We think they did so for the money it put in their pockets. During the last 6 months of her life, after the diagnoses had been given she had no quality of life, it was all wrapped around being extremely sick from the treatments.

As we well know, some cancers are treatable, thank God that doctors can treat some cancers, but at the same time there are some cancers that they cannot conquer, some doctors give these people a false hope while the money flows into their coffers.

That said, it should be up to the patient and or their guardian if they are underage, not the government. With Linda's sister, we disagreed but we did not express it, we supported her 100% till her death.
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One other thing, commies always take over by claiming concern for the children. Therefore you look like an ogre or evil doer if you resist them because you see their real motive, Power and money.

There has to be a time when we say, "a'nuff is a'nuff!" to an all invasive government. This is not what the forefathers wanted.


AMEN, Wilchbla!! Let's call our government what they are, after all!! Communists!

My 9 word contribution to this thread?

OUR GOVERNMENT IS VIOLATING THIS TEENAGE BOY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!

Isaiah 42:1... BEHOLD my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. "Promise of the LORD'S help" King James Bible

Luke 3:22... And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. "John Baptizes Jesus" King James Bible

God bless OLB members,

Molly
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AMEN, Wilchbla!! Let's call our government what they are, after all!! Communists!

My 9 word contribution to this thread?

OUR GOVERNMENT IS VIOLATING THIS TEENAGE BOY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!

Isaiah 42:1... BEHOLD my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. "Promise of the LORD'S help" King James Bible

Luke 3:22... And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. "John Baptizes Jesus" King James Bible

God bless OLB members,

Molly


I wonder if the ACLU will help this boy out!
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Wilchbla, didn't say it was evil for parents to seek out natural cures, but I did say what it was, its money grubbers taking advantage of sickness in order to get their money, that is what those natural cures are, and I gave the reason why, its snake oil. But I did say it was their right to do so. Its amazing to me how many Christians will fall for snake oil cures, I can understand those who have no hope falling for it, but I can't understand those who have that "Blessed Hope" falling for snake oil, and I sure can't understand them calling on the Lord as their last resource, last hope when death is at hand.


Not every natural "cure" is snake oil, Jerry. There are many things designed by God that help with different ailments. It amazes me sometimes when Christians can't see that!! God didn't create antibiotics and chemo. He did give man the brains to come up with them, and they do help (I agree with you that chemo doesn't help with every cancer!). But He also created things that help people. There is a lot of snake oil around, I fully agree with that. But not every natural thing is bad.

Yes, money grubbers take advantage of sickness, but money grubbers are on both sides - natural and chemical - and people need to be educated to know what's what.
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Not every natural "cure" is snake oil, Jerry. There are many things designed by God that help with different ailments. It amazes me sometimes when Christians can't see that!! God didn't create antibiotics and chemo. He did give man the brains to come up with them, and they do help (I agree with you that chemo doesn't help with every cancer!). But He also created things that help people. There is a lot of snake oil around, I fully agree with that. But not every natural thing is bad.

Yes, money grubbers take advantage of sickness, but money grubbers are on both sides - natural and chemical - and people need to be educated to know what's what.


I know for a fact that the AMA has recognized the ability of real ginger root to reduce the side effects of chemotherapy treatment. That would be fairly natural.
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