Members IFBSenior Posted January 21, 2012 Members Share Posted January 21, 2012 I just got back from soul winning and should be rejoiceing since five people said the sinners prayer; I just wish I could believe that they really got saved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted January 22, 2012 Members Share Posted January 22, 2012 What do you mean? Were the people pressured to say a prayer, or asked to say a prayer without first understanding their lost condition and the need to repent and accept Christ? Were they properly presented the Gospel but didn't seem to be sincere when they prayed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IFBSenior Posted January 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 What do you mean? Were the people pressured to say a prayer, or asked to say a prayer without first understanding their lost condition and the need to repent and accept Christ? Were they properly presented the Gospel but didn't seem to be sincere when they prayed? I don't think that they are getting 'lost' before they get 'saved'. The gospel plan is good but I don't think they are establishing what sin is, and I don't like the ' now so and so, 'if you will trust Jesus to take you to heaven when you die, just bow your head and close your eyes with me right now...(bowing head) ...now if you mean this with all your heart say this prayer after me' bit Maybe I'm making to much of it, but I feel as if they should be told what sin is (disobeying God) instead of just doing something wrong' . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted January 25, 2012 Members Share Posted January 25, 2012 I don't think that they are getting 'lost' before they get 'saved'. The gospel plan is good but I don't think they are establishing what sin is, and I don't like the ' now so and so, 'if you will trust Jesus to take you to heaven when you die, just bow your head and close your eyes with me right now...(bowing head) ...now if you mean this with all your heart say this prayer after me' bit Maybe I'm making to much of it, but I feel as if they should be told what sin is (disobeying God) instead of just doing something wrong' . I absolutely agree. This sort of "soul winning" leads to an abundance of false converts. Most often false converts then falsely feel secure they are going to heaven and are closed to the Gospel afterwards. If a person doesn't recognize and admit they are sinners in need of salvation, how can they rightly accept the Saviour? Robert Reynolds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IFBSenior Posted January 25, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 25, 2012 I absolutely agree. This sort of "soul winning" leads to an abundance of false converts. Most often false converts then ';feel secure they are going to heaven and are closed to the Gospel afterwards. ' If a person doesn't recognize and admit they are sinners in need of salvation, how can they rightly accept the Saviour? It's a great plan for door to door but it needs to be tweeked a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted February 7, 2012 Members Share Posted February 7, 2012 I just got back from soul winning and should be rejoiceing since five people said the sinners prayer; I just wish I could believe that they really got saved It's obvious, by your own words here, that the brand of "soulwinning" that you're using, glorified salesmanship, is empty & you know it. I was in Quick Prayerism for 6 years & it took me a while to get it out of my system, but I let the LORD do His work on me & surrounded myself with men of God that live/preach right! It cost me when I started standing against Quick Prayerism, but it was/is worth it & I don't regret it a bit! Luke 13:3 & 5 Luke 24:45-47 Acts 17:30 KJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted February 7, 2012 Members Share Posted February 7, 2012 I don't think that they are getting 'lost' before they get 'saved'. The gospel plan is good but I don't think they are establishing what sin is, and I don't like the ' now so and so, 'if you will trust Jesus to take you to heaven when you die, just bow your head and close your eyes with me right now...(bowing head) ...now if you mean this with all your heart say this prayer after me' bit Maybe I'm making to much of it, but I feel as if they should be told what sin is (disobeying God) instead of just doing something wrong' . Looks like I should have read a little further down; you're on the right track! Folk have to get lost before the LORD will save them. If they don't see themselves as lost, they don't see their need of their LORD & Saviour. I'll pray with/for you, about the confrentation I'm sure is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted February 7, 2012 Members Share Posted February 7, 2012 I absolutely agree. This sort of "soul winning" leads to an abundance of false converts. Most often false converts then falsely feel secure they are going to heaven and are closed to the Gospel afterwards. If a person doesn't recognize and admit they are sinners in need of salvation, how can they rightly accept the Saviour? John, you're exactly right! AMEN, from NWGA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DennisD Posted February 10, 2012 Members Share Posted February 10, 2012 How can we recognize Quick Prayerism for what it is? What are some tell tale signs? Please share any expertise you have because this is very important to me at the present time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IFBSenior Posted February 11, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2012 Looks like I should have read a little further down; you're on the right track! Folk have to get lost before the LORD will save them. If they don't see themselves as lost, they don't see their need of their LORD & Saviour. I'll pray with/for you, about the confrentation I'm sure is coming. Since I wrote the former post I have discussed my thoughts with my new pastor and found out that he doesn't like the plan either. He has started a soul winning class that I am now attending so soon I will be more confident in speaking. It is great to know that our job is to tell and the Holy Spirits job is to convict and save. It was also great to avoid the troublesome confrontation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IFBSenior Posted February 11, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2012 How can we recognize Quick Prayerism for what it is? What are some tell tale signs? Please share any expertise you have because this is very important to me at the present time. that is a great question, I'll be looking forward to the answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 that is a great question, I'll be looking forward to the answersIFB, I've recently started a class with this as the focus at my church's BI. Dennis, maybe the "tell tale" result would be a better sign to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IFBSenior Posted February 12, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 IFB, I've recently started a class with this as the focus at my church's BI. Dennis, maybe the "tell tale" result would be a better sign to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DennisD Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 I guess I would just hate to wait for a result after years if there is a way to prevent that result. In short, I'd like to be proactive instead reactive if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 I guess I would just hate to wait for a result after years if there is a way to prevent that result. In short, I'd like to be proactive instead reactive if possible. I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say or ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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