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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I'm going to try and make this my final post under this topic. You fail to accept context of the Holy Scriptures & contest of the post I have made & we are going no where.

There is only one sin that Jesus' blood cannot cover, that is unbelief, yet it seems you add at least one more, suicide.

I sure hope you have food for thought on this subject.

True. Also, if a Christian commits suicide that's a one time sin, it's not a sin they have been continuing in. Scripture is clear, Christians can and do sin. A Christian can commit the sin of suicide just as they can commit any other sin whether it be lying, killing, stealing, etc. The fact they died while commiting the sin of suicide no more means they were not saved than the person who dies while commiting adultery or running from police to try and avoid a ticket.

Not all Christians are at the same maturity level in Christ and some will commit sins others wouldn't, some know more of the Word to rely upon, some have drawn closer to the Lord through prayer than others, some have a better network of Christian friends/family for support, etc.
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God did... through His vessel Samson


And you preach to people? If you do, the sad part is that there are people who will listen to you.

I will try to help you one more time.
#1, Samson wanted to die "let me die with the Philistines" he said
#2. Samson asked to be led to the pillars(he was blind)
#3 Samson asked God for the strength to push the pillars (which God obliged)
#4 Then Samson "bowed with all his might".....Samson wanted to die...Samson wanted to push the pillars...God granted the strength and Samson pushed the pillars Edited by heartstrings
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I'm going to try and make this my final post under this topic. You fail to accept context of the Holy Scriptures & contest of the post I have made & we are going no where.

There is only one sin that Jesus' blood cannot cover, that is unbelief, yet it seems you add at least one more, suicide.

I sure hope you have food for thought on this subject.
The suicide obviously doesn't believe Jesus solves any problem. There is none too big or too small that Christ can't take care of. Peter instructed the reader to cast all his cares on the Lord.

Regardless, the final act was rejection of Christ and depending on another means to remedy problems. and because of that, the suicide, like Judas Iscariat, goes to his own place.
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True. Also, if a Christian commits suicide that's a one time sin, it's not a sin they have been continuing in. Scripture is clear, Christians can and do sin. A Christian can commit the sin of suicide just as they can commit any other sin whether it be lying, killing, stealing, etc. The fact they died while commiting the sin of suicide no more means they were not saved than the person who dies while commiting adultery or running from police to try and avoid a ticket.

Not all Christians are at the same maturity level in Christ and some will commit sins others wouldn't, some know more of the Word to rely upon, some have drawn closer to the Lord through prayer than others, some have a better network of Christian friends/family for support, etc.
That they rejected Christ and depended on another method of problem solving is sad indeed. The Comforter was not their comforter, the Comforter was not their consoler, even though Jesus said that that is what the Comforter would do. I guess that means Jesus lied to them. Wow.
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And you preach to people? If you do, the sad part is that there are people who will listen to you.

I will try to help you one more time.
#1, Samson wanted to die "let me die with the Philistines" he said
#2. Samson asked to be led to the pillars(he was blind)
#3 Samson asked God for the strength to push the pillars (which God obliged)
#4 Then Samson "bowed with all his might".....Samson wanted to die...Samson wanted to push the pillars...God granted the strength and Samson pushed the pillars
Even sadder, that some do not listen. Suicide is murder. No murderer has eternal life in him. All murderers will have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.
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That they rejected Christ and depended on another method of problem solving is sad indeed. The Comforter was not their comforter, the Comforter was not their consoler, even though Jesus said that that is what the Comforter would do. I guess that means Jesus lied to them. Wow.

When a believer sins he may be temporarily rejecting the will of God at that moment, but not be rejecting Christ Himself. Not to mention the fact that once one is born again in Christ, he can't be unborn because of any sin, and every sin is a rejection of following Christ in that particular point in that particular time.

No Christian is perfect and countless Christians have died after committing a sin, some have died commiting sin, many more have died without specifically confessing and repenting of every sin in their life, and yet were and still are assured of heaven.

Elsewhere Paul points out that some Christians were once murders, adulterers, etc., and cautions them not to walk in that way, which clearly indicates that a Christian can yet commit those sins, which means a Christian can commit murder/suicide.

Scripture tells us how we are to walk, reminds us we will yet fall, but also reminds us that once saved, always saved.
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Even sadder, that some do not listen. Suicide is murder. No murderer has eternal life in him. All murderers will have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.


NOWHERE does the Bible ever define suicide as murder. But It DOES define killing another person or HATING another person as murder.
Both King Saul and Samson killed themselves and the Bible never even hints at those acts as being murder. That is your own doctrine, not the Bible's.
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Scripture tells us all murders will have their part in the lake of fire. I will believe the Word of God on this one, John.

That is speaking to those not born again in Christ. Those who live as murders, like all other unsaved sinners, will be in the lake of fire. This isn't speaking to any sin a Christian commits after salvation but to those unsaved.
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Suicide is the murder of self, heartstrings. Whether you want to accept it as so or not.

Samson did not kill himself. The Bible does not say he killed himself.

Saul? Saul was rejected by God. In the end, he himself rejected God.

I agree that suicide is the murder of oneself, that's fairly obvious. Samson caused the building to collapse upon himself, thus killing himself with his enemies. Whether or not one wishes to call that suicide, Samson did indeed kill himself.
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Scripture tells us all murders will have their part in the lake of fire. I will believe the Word of God on this one, John.



Me too.

The same verse in Revelation says that the fearful go to Hell too, SFIC. What do you think about that, brother? Do you believe if a Christian is afraid when he dies that means he was never saved to begin with?

I love how in your twisted theology a Christian can do any sin he wants, but if he dies when he's not right that means he was never saved to begin with. If you backslide for ten years but get right you were saved, but if you die during the ten years you never were. In your little world God's grace is only good if you die right with God, because if you don't that just means you were never saved to begin with.

Just admit it, you believe in preserverance of the saints. You might as well start quoting Matthew 24:13 as part of the plan of salvation like the Catholics do.
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That is speaking to those not born again in Christ. Those who live as murders, like all other unsaved sinners, will be in the lake of fire. This isn't speaking to any sin a Christian commits after salvation but to those unsaved.
The one who commits suicide proves he or she was not born again. In committing suicide, he or she proves that when others thought he or she was saved in reality he or she was not, but only had an outward appearance with no inward change. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
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I agree that suicide is the murder of oneself, that's fairly obvious. Samson caused the building to collapse upon himself, thus killing himself with his enemies. Whether or not one wishes to call that suicide, Samson did indeed kill himself.
I do not believe Samson killed himself. I believe God honored his request and took his life.
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I do not believe Samson killed himself. I believe God honored his request and took his life.



How convenient!

Here we go: every time a Christian commits suicide they aren't actually committing suicide, God is just answering the prayer of their heart and snuffing them out! Like Samson! Christians are unable to commit suicide, so God just kills Christians who want to committ suicide. That way, they're not commiting the only sin a Christian can't commit, you know, the one that God hardly ever talks about (REALLY - why would He talk about 'the worst sin ever'?) because He's too busy harping on and killing people for idolatry and complaining all the time in the Bible.

Did I get that right? Edited by Rick Schworer
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Me too.

The same verse in Revelation says that the fearful go to Hell too, SFIC. What do you think about that, brother? Do you believe if a Christian is afraid when he dies that means he was never saved to begin with?

I love how in your twisted theology a Christian can do any sin he wants, but if he dies when he's not right that means he was never saved to begin with. If you backslide for ten years but get right you were saved, but if you die during the ten years you never were. In your little world God's grace is only good if you die right with God, because if you don't that just means you were never saved to begin with.

Just admit it, you believe in preserverance of the saints. You might as well start quoting Matthew 24:13 as part of the plan of salvation like the Catholics do.
The Lord is my light and my Salvation; whom shall I fear? I am persuaded that nothing can separate me from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus, so why fear? He promised to give us a peace that passes all understanding, why not believe His promise and believe that He is faithful who promised?

I highly doubt that God will allow a saved person to remain in a backslidden state for ten years. And, yes, if a person who appeared to be saved falls out of the fellowship of the Church and dies ten years later having never got things right with God, it only proves that that person was not saved.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. Edited by Standing Firm In Christ
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The Lord is my light and my Salvation; whom shall I fear? I am persuaded that nothing can separate me from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus, so why fear? He promised to give us a peace that passes all understanding, why not believe His promise and believe that He is faithful who promised?

I highly doubt that God will allow a saved person to remain in a backslidden state for ten years. And, yes, if a person who appeared to be saved falls out of the fellowship of the Church and dies ten years later having never got things right with God, it only proves that that person was not saved.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


Oh c'mon, let's see a commitment to what you are pushing now! Can a Christian backslide for ten years and get right or not? What is the time limit that a Christian can backslide? One year, two years, five years..... at what point do we KNOW they were lost the whole time?
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Oh c'mon, let's see a commitment to what you are pushing now! Can a Christian backslide for ten years and get right or not? What is the time limit that a Christian can backslide? One year, two years, five years..... at what point do we KNOW they were lost the whole time?
Why even consider how long one can live in a backslidden state? Why even try to walk as close to the line separating the world from the Christian as one can get? Who defines that line? Rick? Jerry? John? Another man? No! God has set guidelines in His Holy Word and the child of God should walk in the manner proscribed in God's Word.

Scripture tells us that those who are God's hear His voice and follow Him. Do you actually think I am going to believe a person can backslide on God without chastisement?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

The fact is, it doesn't matter if that person has been in Church all his or her life. If they fall out of fellowship and back into the world, participating in worldly sins and never get right, they prove that they were not Christian at al. If they die in their sin, they prove they were not of God in the first place.
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If ‘ALL MURDERS’ are sent to hell them that means the sin of murder cannot be forgiven.

Have you ever heard about ‘GRACE?’ Without ‘GRACE’ not a single person would inherit Heaven.

Yet some seem to drop ‘GRACE’ from the equation when it pleases them.

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Dont' you have to hate someone else, to be a murderer?
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:14-15
It's possible to hate your own Soul.....Whoso is partner with a thief hateth his own soul: he heareth cursing, and bewrayeth [it] not. Proverbs 29:24.... But NOBODY has ever hated their own flesh...For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Ephesians 5:29

Interesting.
So everyone is capable of hating his brother when he murders him, but NOBODY has ever hated his own flesh when he takes his own life. At any rate, I will reiterate for SFIC, Using the strength God supplied, Samson using his own FREE WILL deliberately pushed the pillars to take his own life and he is mentioned in Hebrews 11, as having faith.

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