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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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You wrongly judge me, 2Tim. I am no Pharisee.

You make unbiblical claims, then when your message is refuted using the Word of God, you attack the messenger.

Read the Gospels. The Pharisees were always delivering messages contrary to the truth, and when rebuked, they attacked the messenger of truth just as you are doing here.

And NEWS FLASH. If there was no change in you, or anyone else for that matter, after a profession of faith; i.e., living the same lifestyle as before the profession; i.e., still a drunkard, still a thief, still an adulterer, etc., then the profession of faith was dead faith.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

So many want to make a profession of faith in Christ but continue to live in their sin. That boat don't float. You cannot sit at the table of the Lord and drink from the cup of devils.


Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
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2Tim215, please be careful who you call a Pharisee.


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PHARISEE

Jewish religious sect in Jesus' day (Matthew 23:13-29). The proud, hypocritical Pharisees opposed Jesus Christ and were instrumental in His death (Matthew 27:62). They had made the O.T. law into an unreasonable and unscriptural system of legalism and ignored the spiritual meaning God had intended them to receive. Many today label those who maintain high standards of Christian living as "Pharisees" and demean fundamental Christians as legalistic and pharisaical. The error of Phariseeism, though, was not their zeal to obey the Word of God. They had no such zeal. They had zeal, rather, to make up their own religious system and to rule over the people. It is important to note that Jesus Christ did NOT rebuke the Pharisees for their zeal in obeying the details of the law (Matthew 23:23). He rebuked them (1) for supplanting the Word of God with man-made tradition and thereby making the Word of God of none effect (Mt 15:1-9), (2) for rejecting Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:22-24), (3) for perverting the Gospel (Matthew 23:15), (4) for self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14), and (5) for gross hypocrisy (Matthew 23:23; Mark 12:15; Luke 12:1). The Pharisees were at the forefront of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and of the persecution of the early Christians. It is a deceptive slander to label a Christ-loving, Bible-honoring, Gospel-preaching, self-debasing, peace-loving Christian a Pharisee.


I've come to the end of my "rope" with your ad hominem attacks. If you must disagree, do so biblically and in a Christ-like manner.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Edited by LindaR
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2Tim215, please be careful who you call a Pharisee.




I've come to the end of my "rope" with your ad hominem attacks. If you must disagree, do so biblically and in a Christ-like manner.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?


The above quote you so graciously provided is EXACTLY what I was saying. Now will some moderator please remove me from this forum that allows "believers" to gang up in pairs or more to criticize, bully and proclaim false doctrine in the mistaken belief that I will just bow down to their lies.
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Why wait for a moderator to kick you off the forum? You have a choice.

It is not us inferring you are an idiot or stupid. You direct those unkind and unChristlike insults toward us.

By the way, no one is bullying you, nor lying about your. You have a problem with the truth so you keep posting these drive-by's.

We are not the ones proclaiming false doctrine. We're not the one that said one can be born a drunkard, live a drunkard's life, and die a drunkard and still have eternal life in Christ.

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Yes, we know his outcome, sadly Judas was a lost man, he saw Jesus as only a good man.

And I have not seen no one in under this topic post that they were super Christians looking down on others as being below them, trying to make them doubt their salvation. When salvation is spoken about, if the person is saved, they will only find reassurance. Of course if not saved, if holding onto a false hope, many time they will start striking back.

Apologies accepted, yet was not necessary, I hold no grudge, nor did I get mad.

What does happen to me at times is I get frustrated for seemingly not being able to get across my point under some of our topics.

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I think it's funny how much kabitizing has been going in here about traps. :-)

SFIC, I keep seeing a theme with you in your posts in several threads. You insist that you believe in eternal security, and yet you keep going back to personal righteousness. Once a person has trusted Christ their personal righteousness has nothing to do with their eternal destiny, as in whether or not they go to Heaven or Hell.

Brother, none of us can do anything before salvation to earn it any more than we could do anything afterwards to lose it. If you believe in eternal security, then you'd agree with that statement.

Maybe what you're trying to say is this: I don't believe a saved person would ever..... (fill in the blank).

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A saved person would not return to the mire from which the Lord took him from. Paul declared in his epistle to the Church at Corinth that if any are in Christ Jesus, the old is passed away. We should shudder when temptation to sin arises. Yet, because of teh weakness of the flesh, we occasionally give in to the lusts of the flesh. The fact is, we will fall at times.

But just as Judas proved his true nature and went to his own place, the suicide proves his true nature and goes to his own place. Suicide is murder. That one who commits suicide proves his true nature is that of a murderer. And God's Word declares that all, not some but all, murderers will have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.

I suggest you read Romans 6:1-2. Paul is admonishing the Romans and telling them they should not continue in sin.

The fact is, some believe they can make a profession of faith in the Lord, and continue wallowing in the mire they were before they even made the proffession.

One who is saved will show evidence of Salvation. Salvation is not just lip-service.

No, I do not believe one can lose his or her Salvation. In John 14, we see Judas calling Jesus "Lord", and yet we know Judas died a lost man. The fact is, many do not possess Christ who profess Chist. And that is why we are told we cann know them by their fruits.

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Sure, when one tells a lie, that one is a liar. I understand that perfectly. But there is a difference in a liar and one who commits suicide. The liar can repent of his lies. He can confess and turn from that sin.

A suicide victim cannot. His true nature has come to the surface.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

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So, you believe that while a Christian may backslide occasionally, he will never stay in a permanent backslidden state - is that right?
If one is saved, that one will receive chastening from the Holy Spirit and will turn from that which he is doing.

Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. He did not say they might follow.

Ever watch a movie with sheep and shepherds? The sheep will follow the shepherd because they know his voice. But if the shepherd does not speak for a while, the sheep tend to stray.

We are like sheep. If we do not hear the Shepherds voice, we tend to stray. The best way to keep from straying is to stay near Him.

But because of the weakness of the flesh, if we don't hear Him constantly, we stray. But the suicide has done far worse than stray... he has proven his true nature. He was only a wolf among sheep. Edited by Standing Firm In Christ
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Rick....

How do you interpret these verses? Do they speak of saved people or lost people?

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Do the saved "wallow in the mire" of sin? Should sin be the lifestyle of a born again Christian? Why is the dog turned again to his vomit and why did the sow/pig, that was washed return to wallowing in the mire? Could it be that this is the "nature" of the dog and pig?

These verses are used incorrectly to prove that one can lose their salvation. A born again Christian is a "new creature" in Christ Jesus. Why would someone want to return to the "mire" of sin after salvation? This does not mean we are to be sinlessly "perfect", but our lifestyle should change and our desire should be to please and obey God. The entire chapter of 2 Peter 2 is speaking of false teachers... the fact that they return to their wickedness proves that they were never regenerate.

I believe that salvation is not an excuse to live as one pleases. It is NOT simply a free ticket to heaven. A born again Christian will not "live in sin" continually without the conviction of the Holy Spirit. If there is no Holy Spirit conviction, one might want to "examine themselves" (2 Corinthians 13:5)

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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Great question Linda, here's an excerpt from my book on that exact passage. The last chapter of my book is called "the confusing verse checklist." It gives the reader a checklist on how to figure out a tough passage on their own.

This is point number six:


6. Professors versus Possessors.

This isn’t professors as in teachers; it’s okay, if you teach at a local community college; God loves you too and you’re not going to lose your salvation.

What this point is about is people who claim to be saved but are not. This shouldn’t be any surprise: most of them you can spot without having much discernment at all. Any pastor (or hireling) that would go on a TV show and be incapable of answering simple questions about how you go to Heaven to an audience of millions is either not saved to begin with or he is a coward. He is claiming to be something he is not.

God talks about these people in very harsh terms. Sometimes people confuse these men with actual Christians and think God is talking about sending a child of God to Hell. Not true, of course.

Example:

II Peter 2:20-21, “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.”

This passage is used to teach that if you are overcome by sin you’ll lose your salvation. The list of problems with this interpretation is very long, but suffice it to say these are people who never got saved in the first place. They lived clean lives because they had a head knowledge of the Bible and Christ, but they never received Him by faith.

How do we know they’re lost and were never saved to begin with?

1. They’re dogs, not sheep (Vs. 22). A lost man is a dog in the Bible; a saved man is a sheep and a new creature in Christ.

2. They’re “wells without water” (Vs. 17). Christians are wells with water (John 4:14).

3. They’re “brute beasts,” not sheep (Vs. 12).

4. They can not cease from sin (Vs. 14). A Christian can overcome sin.

5. They’re “cursed children” (Vs. 14), not children of God.

6. They turned away from the holy commandment. The holy commandment is to believe on Christ in I John 3:23. They never did; they turned away from it.

7. They are servants of corruption, and even though they promise liberty to their audience, they themselves are earning the reward of unrighteousness (Vs. 19, 13).

So when you come across a verse that may look like a person can lose his salvation, it’s important to consider if the person in the passage was ever truly saved in the first place.


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I think one of the things we as believers in the doctrine of Eternal Security lose sight of is that fact that there are severe consequences for someone that backslides. I don't believe that God removes people's free will upon conversion, so they can still backslide (yes, fruit will be shown in the life of a believer but to say they won't backslide ever or at some point 'give up' like Demas did is not supported by Scripture) on a permanent basis. However, Christians cannot just 'willy-nilly' give up on God and follow after the old nature without suffering some consequences. I have a chapter in my book called 'the ten things a Christian really can lose' and it points out what can happen to a Christian like Demas.

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If one is saved, that one will receive chastening from the Holy Spirit and will turn from that which he is doing.

Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. He did not say they might follow.

Ever watch a movie with sheep and shepherds? The sheep will follow the shepherd because they know his voice. But if the shepherd does not speak for a while, the sheep tend to stray.

We are like sheep. If we do not hear the Shepherds voice, we tend to stray. The best way to keep from straying is to stay near Him.

But because of the weakness of the flesh, if we don't hear Him constantly, we stray. But the suicide has done far worse than stray... he has proven his true nature. He was only a wolf among sheep.


Are you saying a person that commits suicide is not saved?

If the answer to be above question is yes, them what other sins do you believe a saved person will not commit?
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Jerry, that is exactly what I am saying.

A saved person can sin, as is evident by Paul' s seventh chapter in his epistle to the Romans. But as I pointed out, a saved person will confess his sin and turn from it.

Now, if you can show me how one can confess after suicide, repent and begin living for Christ again, I will be glad to listen.

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Rick...

Thank you for your response, but I was not questioning eternal security...I believe in the eternal security of the born again believer. However, I do not believe a born again believer will "continue in sin" as a lifestyle...and live as he/she pleases. Salvation does make a difference...it does not make us sinless, but we do sin "less".

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Jerry, that is exactly what I am saying.

A saved person can sin, as is evident by Paul' s seventh chapter in his epistle to the Romans. But as I pointed out, a saved person will confess his sin and turn from it.

Now, if you can show me how one can confess after suicide, repent and begin living for Christ again, I will be glad to listen.


So you believe there are certain sins a saved person commit will cause them to lose their salvation.

Could you name all the sins a saved person can commit that will make them lose their salvation?

Plus, you don't really believe John 3:16 which says, 'but have everlasting life?'
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Rick...

Thank you for your response, but I was not questioning eternal security...I believe in the eternal security of the born again believer. However, I do not believe a born again believer will "continue in sin" as a lifestyle...and live as he/she pleases. Salvation does make a difference...it does not make us sinless, but we do sin "less".


True, but them there are those that believes the saved person, if they sin, or at least if they commit certain sins, they lose their salvation.
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It appears that there are some here who are trying to "justify" committing suicide.;Is this discussion moving towards giving a born again Christian an excuse to commit suicide? What ever happened to "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding"? (Proverbs 3:5) As born again Christians do we not believe in the faithfulness of God "who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able"? (1 Cor. 10:13)

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