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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Those who can't understand the KJB


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We've probably all encountered those who simply claim the KJB is too hard to understand either because they've heard that said by others or because they just don't want to try. Those sorts are not the ones I'm talking about here.

Question 1: What about those who, due most often to exceedingly poor public school education, really can't understand the KJB? Some not only can't understand the KJB, they can't even hardly read parts of it. It's not just the KJB either, I've come across some who can't grasp some other translations either. I know of one person I tried to help and they couldn't grasp the KJB, nor the NKJV or NASB and could only partly grasp the NIV with my help. They have a high school diploma but their reading skills and reading comprehension is very low.

How do you disciple, mentor or help those like this?

Question 2: What about those with learning disabilities who can't read or understand the KJB, or sometimes hardly any other translation? They typically can't grasp the reading of such either. How best do we disciple these people, help them learn the Word and grow in the Lord?

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We've probably all encountered those who simply claim the KJB is too hard to understand either because they've heard that said by others or because they just don't want to try. Those sorts are not the ones I'm talking about here.

Question 1: What about those who, due most often to exceedingly poor public school education, really can't understand the KJB? Some not only can't understand the KJB, they can't even hardly read parts of it. It's not just the KJB either, I've come across some who can't grasp some other translations either. I know of one person I tried to help and they couldn't grasp the KJB, nor the NKJV or NASB and could only partly grasp the NIV with my help. They have a high school diploma but their reading skills and reading comprehension is very low.

How do you disciple, mentor or help those like this?

Question 2: What about those with learning disabilities who can't read or understand the KJB, or sometimes hardly any other translation? They typically can't grasp the reading of such either. How best do we disciple these people, help them learn the Word and grow in the Lord?



If someone can't understand the bible due to not being properly educated as you describe I would just try to explain to them the meaning of the words they did not understand or if they failed to grasp the meaning of the passage all together I would try to explain it in different words until they hopefully understood the meaning. I would not attempt to use other versions as not only do they have doctrinal issues more often than not they tend to be harder to read due to the sentence structure. If their difficulty was due primarily to not being able to read very well I would recommend getting a good audio bible and playing the passage they intended to read prior to reading it so they would know pretty much what was being said which makes reading a little easier.
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If someone can't understand the bible due to not being properly educated as you describe I would just try to explain to them the meaning of the words they did not understand or if they failed to grasp the meaning of the passage all together I would try to explain it in different words until they hopefully understood the meaning. I would not attempt to use other versions as not only do they have doctrinal issues more often than not they tend to be harder to read due to the sentence structure. If their difficulty was due primarily to not being able to read very well I would recommend getting a good audio bible and playing the passage they intended to read prior to reading it so they would know pretty much what was being said which makes reading a little easier.

They can't understand the reading of the Word either. These are people with very low reading and reading comprehension skills. They have to struggle to read a magazine or newspaper article, which tend to be written at a rather low level.

I (or we) can't be with people forever, there is often only a limited time we can disciple them. How can we disciple them and help them to grow in the Lord on their own when they can't understand the Word.

With regards to the one who tried several versions, they were simply desperate to be able to read the Word for themselves so they chose to try different versions hoping if they could find one they could actually read and understand, it might help them to eventually read and understand the KJB. As I said, that didn't work.

It's difficult to have someone who so wants to read and learn the Word themselves yet they are unable. I can see the look in their eyes pleading for help but what to do when they can't read and understand themselves and they can't comprehend it when it's read to them. I can explain a verse or passage and they might understand what I say but they are still unable to actually read it and put it together themselves.

Working with children who are learning is one thing, but working with adults like this who either can't learn or their learning ability is no severely limited, is a real challenge.

Thank you for your input.
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If a person is having this much trouble reading and there is no handicap preventing them from learning to read they need to learn. Lack of reading ability will hinder a person's life in all areas, spiritual being the biggest area. It's a shame that the education system can allow someone to graduate high school yet have very little reading ability. It is essential they learn to read.

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Yes, like Matthew says, if someones reading and comprehension skills are so low they have difficulty reading and understanding magazine or newspaper articles they need to work on learning to read a little better if at all possible. If for some reason that isn't possible might be a good idea to get them to work on memorization of passages they do understand. Even my downs syndrome sister can memorize simple scriptures with enough work though she cannot really read very much of anything.

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An elderly man that I had known all my life died just a few years back. He could not read but he could quote more Scriptures than most people that could read. He said he learned them from hearing them quoted & or read as he attend church throughout the years.

As for not understanding the KJ Bible, what good is it to pick up a modern translation learning from it when so much of it is wrong? They would be better to stick to the KJ, Them at least they have the opportunity to learn from a Bible that is accurate. Of course I know there be many that claims it makes no difference what Bible a person reads & learns from.

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Thank you for the replies. So perhaps for some people it may not be necessary to be able to read and comprehend the Bible on their own if we (or others) can help them to memorize some verses/passages and explain those passages to them until they have that memorized too? That could be a very long process for some, but if they had someone to help, perhaps several people where possible, I can see how over time that could be of great benefit.

With regards to those who have learning disabilities, such as those with Downs Syndrome, etc., we have had a few with learning disabilities in our church, even partaking of AWANA, and they have been able to memorize some verses (not as many as other children) and they were joyful at this and encouraged to continue.

Does everyone, or most here, agree then that if a person is unable to read and comprehend the KJB they should still stick with the KJB while receiving help to memorize specific verses/passages that can be explained to them so they can memorize the meaning of the verses/passages too...and not be concerned about not being able to read the whole Bible?

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I had a man in my church in Michigan who could not read at all. He purchased an audio version of the Bible and listened to it every day.

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I had a man in my church in Michigan who could not read at all. He purchased an audio version of the Bible and listened to it every day.

Yes, I believe that's a good option for those who simply can't read. It doesn't seem to work as well for those with comprehension problems.

I do have CD, mp3 and even DVD Bibles now that I can share and use to help others with.
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Due to an unfortunate set of circumstances in his childhood (born 1914), my father couldn't read or write his name. I don't remember him ever quoting a verse of scripture. When God called him home, I have no doubt that he's waiting for me in heaven. His faith was strong. He could talk about the Bible and the Lord using general terms just as we'd use them to discuss secular subjects. He learned by listening. Listening while in church. Listening to the radio back when Baptist preachers preached from the KJV. Listening and asking questions of those he trusted (led by the Holy Spirit, I'm sure, in who to trust) from the people around him.

I agree that listening to the Bible on CD is a good option. After completing about 2/3'rd of the Bible, listening & reading along to Alexander Scourby I wish my father could have heard him. Even though he wouldn't have been able to read while listening, I'm sure with each hearing of the verses, his depth of understanding would have grown. Just as it's helping me and I've read the Bible from cover to cover.

Additionally, there's something about hearing passages like the 23rd Psalm and other similar ones over and over again that go well beyond comprehension that's being discussed here. That is when heard from the KJV.

My suggestion is that where possible, determine the approximate school grade level of reading and comprehension. Then, work with that person as if he or she were in a Sunday School class for that age group. Whether you use printed materials for that age group depends on the situation. However, using them for your own reference, in tailoring words that are unstandable for the person being taught.

In closing and back to the CD's for a moment. IMHO, it would be a good way for many to learn verses, regardless of the comprehension age of the person. Tiny children learn to sing songs by singing along to recordings of them. Repeating the 23rd Psalm (again as the example) and "singing" along with Alexander should make memorizing them easier.

Hope these thoughts are helpful.

Lee

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Due to an unfortunate set of circumstances in his childhood (born 1914), my father couldn't read or write his name. I don't remember him ever quoting a verse of scripture. When God called him home, I have no doubt that he's waiting for me in heaven. His faith was strong. He could talk about the Bible and the Lord using general terms just as we'd use them to discuss secular subjects. He learned by listening. Listening while in church. Listening to the radio back when Baptist preachers preached from the KJV. Listening and asking questions of those he trusted (led by the Holy Spirit, I'm sure, in who to trust) from the people around him.

I agree that listening to the Bible on CD is a good option. After completing about 2/3'rd of the Bible, listening & reading along to Alexander Scourby I wish my father could have heard him. Even though he wouldn't have been able to read while listening, I'm sure with each hearing of the verses, his depth of understanding would have grown. Just as it's helping me and I've read the Bible from cover to cover.

Additionally, there's something about hearing passages like the 23rd Psalm and other similar ones over and over again that go well beyond comprehension that's being discussed here. That is when heard from the KJV.

My suggestion is that where possible, determine the approximate school grade level of reading and comprehension. Then, work with that person as if he or she were in a Sunday School class for that age group. Whether you use printed materials for that age group depends on the situation. However, using them for your own reference, in tailoring words that are unstandable for the person being taught.

In closing and back to the CD's for a moment. IMHO, it would be a good way for many to learn verses, regardless of the comprehension age of the person. Tiny children learn to sing songs by singing along to recordings of them. Repeating the 23rd Psalm (again as the example) and "singing" along with Alexander should make memorizing them easier.

Hope these thoughts are helpful.

Lee

Thank you, those are some very good ideas and the story of your dad is uplifting.

I had never thought about the idea of using Sunday school material that's based upon their reading/understanding age level as a resource. That sounds like such could be a very useful tool.

I absolutely agree with you there is something special, and needful, about hearing the Word. Even Scripture tells us that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. It seems in this age of so much visual stimulation that many lose that. I know of folks who have tried to listen to a ballgame on the radio but couldn't understand what was going on because they were so used to always watching the game on TV.

Great post, thank you!
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Due to an unfortunate set of circumstances in his childhood (born 1914), my father couldn't read or write his name. I don't remember him ever quoting a verse of scripture. When God called him home, I have no doubt that he's waiting for me in heaven. His faith was strong. He could talk about the Bible and the Lord using general terms just as we'd use them to discuss secular subjects. He learned by listening. Listening while in church. Listening to the radio back when Baptist preachers preached from the KJV. Listening and asking questions of those he trusted (led by the Holy Spirit, I'm sure, in who to trust) from the people around him.

I agree that listening to the Bible on CD is a good option. After completing about 2/3'rd of the Bible, listening & reading along to Alexander Scourby I wish my father could have heard him. Even though he wouldn't have been able to read while listening, I'm sure with each hearing of the verses, his depth of understanding would have grown. Just as it's helping me and I've read the Bible from cover to cover.

Additionally, there's something about hearing passages like the 23rd Psalm and other similar ones over and over again that go well beyond comprehension that's being discussed here. That is when heard from the KJV.

My suggestion is that where possible, determine the approximate school grade level of reading and comprehension. Then, work with that person as if he or she were in a Sunday School class for that age group. Whether you use printed materials for that age group depends on the situation. However, using them for your own reference, in tailoring words that are unstandable for the person being taught.

In closing and back to the CD's for a moment. IMHO, it would be a good way for many to learn verses, regardless of the comprehension age of the person. Tiny children learn to sing songs by singing along to recordings of them. Repeating the 23rd Psalm (again as the example) and "singing" along with Alexander should make memorizing them easier.

Hope these thoughts are helpful.

Lee



Lee, I'm thankful that I can read, for I admit, I'm not good at memorizing. If I had been like you father I would have had to speak in the same terms that he did.

I'm thankful to our Lord that it is not about how much Bible knowledge we have, how many Scriptures we can quote, wheather we can read or write, that its all about how we use what Bible knowledge we have, even if it just a little bit. I have known several people that had very much Bible knowledge, sad to say many of them did not use it, & or used it improperly.

Its amazing how much a person can learn though the years attending Bible classes & preaching services at a good church. The man I spoke of that could not read yet could quote many verses was saved at about 30 years of age. Yet it seems from that time on he was rather faithful to his Lord & the church he attended, for many of those years he served as a deacon. I might add, many nights his wife would set in thier home reading the Bible to him.
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My brother had a hard time learning to read as a child. While he was still struggling a lot, Mom & Dad began having us do family devotions with each of us going around the circle reading through a chapter of the KJV. His reading skills advanced rapidly, and my parents are convinced that using the KJV helped him read more quickly than any other system they were trying!

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My brother had a hard time learning to read as a child. While he was still struggling a lot, Mom & Dad began having us do family devotions with each of us going around the circle reading through a chapter of the KJV. His reading skills advanced rapidly, and my parents are convinced that using the KJV helped him read more quickly than any other system they were trying!

I do believe the KJB is great to use in teaching children to read.
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We've probably all encountered those who simply claim the KJB is too hard to understand either because they've heard that said by others or because they just don't want to try. Those sorts are not the ones I'm talking about here.

Question 1: What about those who, due most often to exceedingly poor public school education, really can't understand the KJB? Some not only can't understand the KJB, they can't even hardly read parts of it. It's not just the KJB either, I've come across some who can't grasp some other translations either. I know of one person I tried to help and they couldn't grasp the KJB, nor the NKJV or NASB and could only partly grasp the NIV with my help. They have a high school diploma but their reading skills and reading comprehension is very low.

How do you disciple, mentor or help those like this?

Question 2: What about those with learning disabilities who can't read or understand the KJB, or sometimes hardly any other translation? They typically can't grasp the reading of such either. How best do we disciple these people, help them learn the Word and grow in the Lord?


Just like I did (and I never graduated from high school). Through reading it over and over with a dictionary in hand. After each time you read it the style of writing becomes easier to grasp. Edited by Wilchbla
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Just like I did (and I never graduated from high school). Through reading it over and over with a dictionary in hand. After each time you read it the style of writing becomes easier to grasp.

Thank you. Your testimony might help encourage some who think they just couldn't do that.

David Cloud has put out a King James dictionary that I've used to help some. It's a small book and inexpensive so that might be something to give to some of those with difficulty reading the KJB.
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I use pamphlets from Sword of the Lord, Baptist-Books, Challenge Press, Local Church Bible Publishers, Way of Life and Wallbuilders. These focus on specific topics. I'm very fond of Dr. John R. Rice's work and pamphlets and they've been a great blessing to me and our family personally.

However, I came across a verse the other day that gave me pause. Romans 10:17 - "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

While it's important for a person to read the word of God, their faith comes by hearing it from us!

The dismal results of today's public education is no accident, it was done deliberately.

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I use pamphlets from Sword of the Lord, Baptist-Books, Challenge Press, Local Church Bible Publishers, Way of Life and Wallbuilders. These focus on specific topics. I'm very fond of Dr. John R. Rice's work and pamphlets and they've been a great blessing to me and our family personally.

However, I came across a verse the other day that gave me pause. Romans 10:17 - "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

While it's important for a person to read the word of God, their faith comes by hearing it from us!

The dismal results of today's public education is no accident, it was done deliberately.

I agree on all points!
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I was like illiterate until I got saved, The Pastor told me to get a KING JAMES BIBLE, thats how I learned to read.
Before I got into reading the KING JAMES BIBLE I had a hard time with my job, reading OSHA, and other laws, after using the KING JAMES BIBLE for a couple years I get along just fine reading law books. I got a 1611, fun to read,, and a couple newer 1769 editions, you know with standardized spelling.

I was teaching JR church a couple years ago, I whooped out that 1611, they got a kick out of the spelling.

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I was like illiterate until I got saved, The Pastor told me to get a KING JAMES BIBLE, thats how I learned to read.
Before I got into reading the KING JAMES BIBLE I had a hard time with my job, reading OSHA, and other laws, after using the KING JAMES BIBLE for a couple years I get along just fine reading law books. I got a 1611, fun to read,, and a couple newer 1769 editions, you know with standardized spelling.

I was teaching JR church a couple years ago, I whooped out that 1611, they got a kick out of the spelling.

I do believe when a person learns to read the KJB and continues in it, that helps them with all other reading as well.

It's amazing to consider that in early America children learned to read using the KJB, and often at very young ages, yet today it's said the KJB is far too difficult for even adults to read so they keep children away from the KJB too. Is it any wonder that not only has biblical understanding suffered in America but reading levels have dropped, reading skills are poor and many can't read at all?
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