Rapture

[Covenanter]

So, is no one familiar Dr. David Jeremiah and his teaching on pre-trib/pre-mil?

He comes on every day on Premier Christian Radio, not that I listen very often now. I am familiar with his teaching. The problem with his premil/pretrib is his basic assumption that it is Scriptural, so he makes no attempt to justify it.

[Eric Stahl]

He comes on every day on Premier Christian Radio, not that I listen very often now. I am familiar with his teaching. The problem with his premil/pretrib is his basic assumption that it is Scriptural, so he makes no attempt to justify it.

I don't claim to know his position on everything. I like his teaching. But I think I heard him teach that there would be peace in the first half of the tribulation period. I believe half of the worlds population will be killed by the mid point of the tribulation at the end of the 6th trumpet judgment when the two witnesses have completed their witness of 1260 days Revelation 11:3, 7-14.

[John81]

He comes on every day on Premier Christian Radio, not that I listen very often now. I am familiar with his teaching. The problem with his premil/pretrib is his basic assumption that it is Scriptural, so he makes no attempt to justify it.

I recall him commenting on one of his radio broadcasts that his pre-trib/pre-mil views come from his lifetime of study and he says this is what he firmly believes Scripture teaches on the end times.

[John81]

I don't claim to know his position on everything. I like his teaching. But I think I heard him teach that there would be peace in the first half of the tribulation period. I believe half of the worlds population will be killed by the mid point of the tribulation at the end of the 6th trumpet judgment when the two witnesses have completed their witness of 1260 days Revelation 11:3, 7-14.

I don't recall off hand exactly what he said in this regard, but isn't the basic view that there will be a measure of peace during at least part of the first 3 1/2 years, with the anti-christ having helped bring about a peace treaty for Israel that will be broken around the mid-trib?

[Brother Rick]

I don't recall off hand exactly what he said in this regard, but isn't the basic view that there will be a measure of peace during at least part of the first 3 1/2 years, with the anti-christ having helped bring about a peace treaty for Israel that will be broken around the mid-trib?

That's what most teach.

[JerryNumbers]

I don't recall off hand exactly what he said in this regard, but isn't the basic view that there will be a measure of peace during at least part of the first 3 1/2 years, with the anti-christ having helped bring about a peace treaty for Israel that will be broken around the mid-trib?

Yes, the antichrist will promise peace in the early days of the tribulations, & there will be somewhat peaceful time promised, but them all peace will be gone.

[Eric Stahl]

Yes, the antichrist will promise peace in the early days of the tribulations, & there will be somewhat peaceful time promised, but them all peace will be gone.

I believe the peace will last long enough to build the temple and start sacrifices. See Revelation 11:1-2 and Jeremiah 6:20-22

[Covenanter]

I believe the peace will last long enough to build the temple and start sacrifices. See Revelation 11:1-2 and Jeremiah 6:20-22

Don't forget that these ideas come from an imposed highly speculative interpretation of Daniel 9, & the 70 weeks finished 3 1/2 years after Calvary.

Let's have some RIGHT DIVIDING.

Jesus made it very clear who the two witnesses of Rev. 11 are:

Luke 16:

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Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

[Eric Stahl]

Don't forget that these ideas come from an imposed highly speculative interpretation of Daniel 9, & the 70 weeks finished 3 1/2 years after Calvary.

Let's have some RIGHT DIVIDING.

Jesus made it very clear who the two witnesses of Rev. 11 are:

Luke 16:

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Abraham saith u

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o him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

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And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one we

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Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Abraham was right, Jesus died and rose from the dead and they still didn't believe him!

It was 69 heptaths or sevens or weeks of years from the decree to rebuild till Jesus came and there remains one more week of years for Israel. The last half or 3.5 years is called the great tribulation.

[Covenanter]

I have shown that the 70th week should be understood as continuous with the 69. The is NO exegetical reason to separate it.

[Brother Rick]

I have shown that the 70th week should be understood as continuous with the 69. The is NO exegetical reason to separate it.

*insert laugh track*

[Invicta]

*insert laugh track*

Rick, I thought you were supposed to be a christian.

[Eric Stahl]

I have shown that the 70th week should be understood as continuous with the 69. The is NO exegetical reason to separate it.

If Israel had accepted Jesus the 70th week would have happened and the 1000 year kingdom could have started. They didn't and it didn't.

[Invicta]

If Israel had accepted Jesus the 70th week would have happened and the 1000 year kingdom could have started. They didn't and it didn't.

13 ¶ And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Eric, you are in the same position as Cleopas and his friend. What did the prophets teach?

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

Isaiah 53:1 ¶ Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.



If the Jews had not rejected Christ, and he was not crucified, then there would be no salvation for Jew or gentile,

[Covenanter]

If Israel had accepted Jesus the 70th week would have happened and the 1000 year kingdom could have started. They didn't and it didn't.

Please support that from Scripture.