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Elvis put out gospel albums now and then that were popular, but I wouldn't buy any. The same could be said for the Gatlin brothers and the Oak Ridge Boys. Just because they produce a Christmas or gospel album doesn't mean we should have them in our homes.

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God's Child. Its like this in modern times.

You've got two stores in town to chose from, one sells liquor and lottery tickets, the other one doesn't. The one that sells liquor sells and lottery tickets sells its groceries a bit cheaper than the other store.

There would be few Christens that would avoid buying from the store that sells liquor and and lottery tickets, they would support it and not think twice about it.

The same goes for restaurants. You've got two restaurants in town, one sells mixed drinks and is just a bit cheaper on its menu items.

Most Christians would flood the restaurants that sells mixed drinks, and would encourager others to.


I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. - 1 Cor 5:9-10

There is absolutely no way to do business without dealing with non-Christians. I believe that business should be done in exactly the same way with non-Christians as with Christians. We are not to become some little secluded club. We are to be the salt and light in the world. Salt and light is useless unless it touches that which is not salt or light and reacts to it. Now, we are not to do the things that the world does, not condone it, but we are not to avoid people of this world no matter how bad of sinners they are because otherwise you cannot witness to them. You must really show love towards them in becoming involved in business and life with them, but at the same time, being very honest and straight-forward about the seriousness of their sin against God. We are not to prefer business with Christians over non-Christians as if Christians are better than non-Christians. They are not, they are just saved by grace which they did not merit in any way.

Now, with worship music, it is slightly different than with business, but I brought this up because I don't think Jerry's example here is the correct way to be separated from the world. With music, I would look more at the artist's life rather than the record company's. More importantly though, I would look straight at the song though. Is it sound in doctrine? If a bad person states something true, though I would not endorse the person, the statement is no more false than if spoken by a good person. That said, people are not good anyway, only God is good, so even judging by that whether or not to sing a song written by someone is not a good idea.

In other words, I get down to the nitty gritty details to say what is right and was is wrong instead of looking at something bad and concluding that everything surrounding it must be bad as well. It's like the gray areas on a picture in a newspaper -- it's just made of many little black dots of different densities on white paper -- it's not really gray.

Sorry if I kind of went on rambling. Personally, I listen to and play Christian rock music, but most of it is by Sovereign Grace Music, which isn't tied to any of those "horrible" companies, though I do play some of those as well. I also dress in a slightly punk style sometimes. I am against any clothes with God-dishonoring symbols or any seductive or immodest clothing styles. My music has not affected my doctrine at all, but rather I would say that my doctrine has affected my style of music. Namely, going straight back to the Bible and forgetting everything that men have taught me about what kind of beats are sinful and what kind aren't and what color of clothes is Christian and which are pagan and all that junk. When I did that, I came to the conclusion that we are not to go by a legalistic checklist of dos and don'ts, but rather we are to love God with all that we are and love our neighbors as ourselves. What that means practically is not what the world thinks it means though. If you truly love God, you will want to display His glory in all you do as much as possible. If you truly love a lost neighbor, you will want to be sure to warn him of the consequences of his sin and preach the gospel to him. You will be aggressive in that in some sense because you will truly want him to see it and will not care if he hates you afterward for being "judgmental" or whatever. If you truly love a saved neighbor, you will want to fellowship with him in a way not offensive to him. So, if my neighbor (and most of the people on this forum) do not like or are offended by rock music, I will not try to convince you it's good or play it in your presence, because love denies self. I will not play or listen to music in a setting where other believers are offended by it in most cases. However, I will not lie and side with them just to make them feel good about me. I will say what I honestly believe about it.

OK, I'm done. Maybe I'm not the best person to discuss music on this forum though because my views on it don't match up with the view here though I do respect the view here. I just don't believe that the music itself affects doctrine, but rather the other way around. :)
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I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. - 1 Cor 5:9-10

There is absolutely no way to do business without dealing with non-Christians. I believe that business should be done in exactly the same way with non-Christians as with Christians. We are not to become some little secluded club. We are to be the salt and light in the world. Salt and light is useless unless it touches that which is not salt or light and reacts to it. Now, we are not to do the things that the world does, not condone it, but we are not to avoid people of this world no matter how bad of sinners they are because otherwise you cannot witness to them. You must really show love towards them in becoming involved in business and life with them, but at the same time, being very honest and straight-forward about the seriousness of their sin against God. We are not to prefer business with Christians over non-Christians as if Christians are better than non-Christians. They are not, they are just saved by grace which they did not merit in any way.

Now, with worship music, it is slightly different than with business, but I brought this up because I don't think Jerry's example here is the correct way to be separated from the world. With music, I would look more at the artist's life rather than the record company's. More importantly though, I would look straight at the song though. Is it sound in doctrine? If a bad person states something true, though I would not endorse the person, the statement is no more false than if spoken by a good person. That said, people are not good anyway, only God is good, so even judging by that whether or not to sing a song written by someone is not a good idea.

In other words, I get down to the nitty gritty details to say what is right and was is wrong instead of looking at something bad and concluding that everything surrounding it must be bad as well. It's like the gray areas on a picture in a newspaper -- it's just made of many little black dots of different densities on white paper -- it's not really gray.

Sorry if I kind of went on rambling. Personally, I listen to and play Christian rock music, but most of it is by Sovereign Grace Music, which isn't tied to any of those "horrible" companies, though I do play some of those as well. I also dress in a slightly punk style sometimes. I am against any clothes with God-dishonoring symbols or any seductive or immodest clothing styles. My music has not affected my doctrine at all, but rather I would say that my doctrine has affected my style of music. Namely, going straight back to the Bible and forgetting everything that men have taught me about what kind of beats are sinful and what kind aren't and what color of clothes is Christian and which are pagan and all that junk. When I did that, I came to the conclusion that we are not to go by a legalistic checklist of dos and don'ts, but rather we are to love God with all that we are and love our neighbors as ourselves. What that means practically is not what the world thinks it means though. If you truly love God, you will want to display His glory in all you do as much as possible. If you truly love a lost neighbor, you will want to be sure to warn him of the consequences of his sin and preach the gospel to him. You will be aggressive in that in some sense because you will truly want him to see it and will not care if he hates you afterward for being "judgmental" or whatever. If you truly love a saved neighbor, you will want to fellowship with him in a way not offensive to him. So, if my neighbor (and most of the people on this forum) do not like or are offended by rock music, I will not try to convince you it's good or play it in your presence, because love denies self. I will not play or listen to music in a setting where other believers are offended by it in most cases. However, I will not lie and side with them just to make them feel good about me. I will say what I honestly believe about it.

OK, I'm done. Maybe I'm not the best person to discuss music on this forum though because my views on it don't match up with the view here though I do respect the view here. I just don't believe that the music itself affects doctrine, but rather the other way around. :)


Warning your neighbor, if he happens to be lost, of the danger of not having Jesus as Savior, does not mean you've got to do business with him. I might add, there are many business that the child of God ought to never partake of.

And remember, to follow Jesus one has to deny self. Now that is something we hate to do, isn't it? It really takes a lot of faith in our Lord to live in this world and deny our self of all it has to offer.

Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

And this world, to be its friend is to be at enmity with God.


Yes, we have to live in this world, yet we don't have to be of them, but again, not to be of them means we have to deny self.



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Warning your neighbor, if he happens to be lost, of the danger of not having Jesus as Savior, does not mean you've got to do business with him. I might add, there are many business that the child of God ought to never partake of.

And remember, to follow Jesus one has to deny self. Now that is something we hate to do, isn't it? It really takes a lot of faith in our Lord to live in this world and deny our self of all it has to offer.

Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

And this world, to be its friend is to be at enmity with God.


Yes, we have to live in this world, yet we don't have to be of them, but again, not to be of them means we have to deny self.






I absolutely agree. However, when your part in the business transaction is not sinful, that is absolutely fine, and in many cases necessary, like with shopping at WalMart, for example. The corporation backs homosexual marriage, but that does not mean it is a sin for us to go buy something at WalMart that we need. We openly state that we do not support their ideas, but we can still deal with them. It is the business transactions that get us into contact with more sinners than any other way of interacting with them (since for other things we usually have more choice who we hang out with and will usually choose those who are like ourselves).

As touching music, our definitions of what is the world is different. :)
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I'm not really sure it's possible to shop from a store that doesn't support some type of sin. Does anyone think it is? :unsure:

Overseas I have the luxury of shopping at a commissary...they don't sell any type of alcohol. That's good. But, they promote and even encourage Halloween with decorations, candy, etc. They sell cigarettes too.

But, if I go out in town to a German store...you'll find the same thing (not so much the Halloween I guess) but surely all stores here in liberal Europe allows gays to work there. Or maybe support them in some way, or sell liquor, or sell cigarettes.

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I absolutely agree. However, when your part in the business transaction is not sinful, that is absolutely fine, and in many cases necessary, like with shopping at WalMart, for example. The corporation backs homosexual marriage, but that does not mean it is a sin for us to go buy something at WalMart that we need. We openly state that we do not support their ideas, but we can still deal with them. It is the business transactions that get us into contact with more sinners than any other way of interacting with them (since for other things we usually have more choice who we hang out with and will usually choose those who are like ourselves).

As touching music, our definitions of what is the world is different. :)


No, its not, we are not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers, when we become business partners with a lost man we are unequally yoked.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Its possible to live this way in this world, if it were not God would never have commanded this. And please remember.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Plus, if we love Him, His commandments will not be grievous to us.

Its told in the Bible that the saved will be a peculiar people. Reading the Bible its easy to see why God's children will be peculiar, its because their ways will be completely different than the ways of the people of this world, the lost.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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I concur with what was expressed in the article and I can verify a couple things myself. It is so sad and tragic what has happened to once great ministries that it brings tears.

I was a Sunday School teacher for Dr. Handford at Southside in Greenville, 1975. Dr. Garlock was there at that time. It was a great church then and the place was full virtually every service and souls from all over the Greenville area were being saved. I couldn't believe my ears later when I was told that things had changed and that it got so bad that BOB Jones University had to limit their faculty and/or staff from attending Southside because of the compromises. But the years gone by have proven that decision was the right one...not saying I agree with BJU on everything.

Concerning Highland Park & Tennesse Temple, I am a personal friend of ex-rock singer Jeff Godwin who had a strong ministry winning souls and warning about the dangers of rock and CCM. Jeff preached at our chuch at least three times in the 1990's and he told me the sad story of giving his testimony and anti-rock message at the college. He said he was shocked at the hot response he got from the students who were visibly angry about what he was saying. He never expected that kind of response from a fundamental Baptist college and he was broken hearted over the matter. He told me that at that time he diserned about 1/3 of the faculty and students were into CCM. So I wasn't surprised to read that TTU is now all the way gone in that genre. Poor Jeff received so many hateful and angry phone calls during his ministry that he was literally battered down so much that he decided to stop traveling with his message and since then he has stayed home in a small Bedford, Indiana church that is mostly old folks that don't have any use for pop or rock of any kind. I guess he felt it safer to raise his children in a church filled with only elderly people than to risk letting them grow up with peers that were into CCM rock n' roll 'Christianity' who have been so tainted by the world.

Those that don't think that CCM or outright hard rock does not or cannot change the human spirit and attitude are naive. I've seen it over and over again through the years and I will never allow that style of music to be heard in our congregation. We will stick with the Majesty Music style until I die even though we have taken it on the chin by many who visted here and didn't like our stand. It is so hard to stand firm and be kind at the same time but we try.

May God be honored greatly by those IFB churches that still stand true to Jesus Christ and the standards that are found in scripture.

Best wishes to all.

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I concur with what was expressed in the article and I can verify a couple things myself. It is so sad and tragic what has happened to once great ministries that it brings tears.

I was a Sunday School teacher for Dr. Handford at Southside in Greenville, 1975. Dr. Garlock was there at that time. It was a great church then and the place was full virtually every service and souls from all over the Greenville area were being saved. I couldn't believe my ears later when I was told that things had changed and that it got so bad that BOB Jones University had to limit their faculty and/or staff from attending Southside because of the compromises. But the years gone by have proven that decision was the right one...not saying I agree with BJU on everything.

Concerning Highland Park & Tennesse Temple, I am a personal friend of ex-rock singer Jeff Godwin who had a strong ministry winning souls and warning about the dangers of rock and CCM. Jeff preached at our chuch at least three times in the 1990's and he told me the sad story of giving his testimony and anti-rock message at the college. He said he was shocked at the hot response he got from the students who were visibly angry about what he was saying. He never expected that kind of response from a fundamental Baptist college and he was broken hearted over the matter. He told me that at that time he diserned about 1/3 of the faculty and students were into CCM. So I wasn't surprised to read that TTU is now all the way gone in that genre. Poor Jeff received so many hateful and angry phone calls during his ministry that he was literally battered down so much that he decided to stop traveling with his message and since then he has stayed home in a small Bedford, Indiana church that is mostly old folks that don't have any use for pop or rock of any kind. I guess he felt it safer to raise his children in a church filled with only elderly people than to risk letting them grow up with peers that were into CCM rock n' roll 'Christianity' who have been so tainted by the world.

Those that don't think that CCM or outright hard rock does not or cannot change the human spirit and attitude are naive. I've seen it over and over again through the years and I will never allow that style of music to be heard in our congregation. We will stick with the Majesty Music style until I die even though we have taken it on the chin by many who visted here and didn't like our stand. It is so hard to stand firm and be kind at the same time but we try.

May God be honored greatly by those IFB churches that still stand true to Jesus Christ and the standards that are found in scripture.

Best wishes to all.



Yes it surely is, for those who stand against you will surely put you down, it seems to make them mad that you will take such a stand, and it can be hard not to return comments to them as they hand out to us. Yet we can be assured that's exactly the way they did Jesus.
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Good posting, God's Child. I agree with you that associations do matter...but I'd prOBably go even further than you are suggesting. Association is just one of many principles that should inform our thinking in this area. IMO, "having God in the mission statement" doesn't go far enough.


I agree that many other factors can be used regarding the study of Christian Pop and it's place in the believers life. Edited by God's Child
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Elvis put out gospel albums now and then that were popular, but I wouldn't buy any. The same could be said for the Gatlin brothers and the Oak Ridge Boys. Just because they produce a Christmas or gospel album doesn't mean we should have them in our homes.


Just stamping "Jesus" on the cover won't make is Christian. That goes for anything, including people's flesh. When I mention a record company for Jesus I am talking about one that will be favorable to fundamental Churches since it's built for Jesus Christ and not the world. Edited by God's Child
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