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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Ok, let me start this off by saying that I was divorced and have since remarried. That is NOT what this discussion is about, so please keep those comments to yourself. Anyway, my ex-wife and I have 2 kids together (11 and 9). My wife and I have 3 kids together (5, 3 and 2). We are members of a local IFB church and absolutely love it. However, let me give you the backstory to all this. My ex and I graduated from Bible college and served on staff of a church where we felt God had called us into missions. Therefore, we have the same biblical foundation and beliefs. Now, to the present. My ex has since remarried and he DEMANDS they attend a Presbyterian church. He has become a religious dictator in their house. Our 2 oldest kids want to go to our church and serve God. However, we have shared parenting and they attend both churches. They have told my ex and her husband that they do not like their church and don't feel they are growing spiritually. He went off on them and told them that it was not about them and that they will go to that church and like it. My wife and I are raising them under the Baptist doctrine and KJV. However, he has them watching videos about how the KJV is not the true Bible and is making them write a paper on why the KJV isn't correct. They still tell him that the KJV is the most accurate translation and therefore the correct Bible. This, again, only sets him off. They are stuck in the middle of this and it's a no win situation for them. My wife and I plan on filing for full custody and the kids have told us, as well many others, that this is what they want to, but that's another story. Anyway, I said all that to ask this question, what resources are out there geared for younger kids to stand up against false translations? I can show them where things are omitted and changed and I think they get some of that, but I didn't know if there was something out there aimed at that age group. Thanks. If this doesn't make sense, I apologize. It's 03:45 and I'm at work and haven't slept in about 40 hours. My brain is turning to goo.

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This sounds like a power play on the new husband's part. I would suggest that the children not fight him on it, do as he says, believe what they have been taught and know is right. When he sees no resistance there will be no need to continue the fight and he will find something else. As long as the children continue to get fed when they are with you. God is able to protect them in this situation. Just my $.02 worth

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What a tough situation. The enemy will attack us and our families through our families as often as possible.

I would suggest much continual prayer for your children, for wisdom, discernment and understanding. Prayer with fasting would certainly be appropriate in this as well.

When your children are with you be consistent in teaching them truth but do so for the glory of God and their benefit and do so in a manner that doesn't seem like a "your way vs. his way" sort of thing.

It would seem this guy either isn't a follower of Christ or he's very carnal. Either way, much prayer for him to get right with God and for the enemy to be prevented from using him to harm your children in any way would be a good idea.

Praying for you, your children and this situation right now :icon_pray:

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King James English is about a 5th grade level, it's pretty easy. My seven year old started reading it in 1st grade (last year).

Will pray that things turn out for the best.

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What a hard situation for your kids to be in! Divorce always hurts everyone involved and remarriage can cause prOBlems for kids that adults don't even realize (I know this from experience as a child from a broken marriage).

The sticky wicket in this situation is that there are two homes, led by two different men. You are the head of your home, and your children's step-dad is the head of his. While they are in his home, they are to OBey him - and honor him as well. I know that's hard to think, but he is married to their mother and thus they owe him honor as they do you.

While your children are at their mother's house, they have no choice but to attend the church their step-dad has chosen. I believe it would be in their best interests for you and your wife to teach them that they need to OBey and be less vocal. They are, after all, only 9 and 11. I think it's great that they want to stick with the KJB (no matter what weber says about it...I honestly don't know why he bothers being on a KJB board!). But, as has been mentioned, their disagreement with their step-dad is very likely making things worse.

I don't particularly think that the step-dad is manifesting a control freak attitude. But he is most likely trying to assert his authority in the face of trying to lead his home (whether any of us agree with how he chooses to do so). Your children need stability and while this continues, there won't be any. Teach them the KJB while at your home, but let them know that they need to drop the subject with their step=dad.

I don't know of any resources that help kids that age stand up against false translations, but encourage them to continue to memorize the KJB. Plan a memorization schedule and work with them on it while at your home. Encourage them to just do what their step-dad says about writing the paper - without comment or argument about the right or wrong of it.

Respect for authority is vital for children, and yours need to understand that, though you disagree much with their step-dad, you stand behind him AND their mother as authorities in their lives. That is a major prOBlem with divorce and remarriage: the authority has been split. As the father, it would be wise to encourage their OBedience in order to help them realize the need for OBedience to authority.

I realize that there may be some that disagree with what I've written, but it is Biblical: your children do not have the Biblical mandate to harden their necks against their step-dad...it will only result in hardening their necks against authority in general, even though it's right now about church attendance and the Bible.

I'm so sorry for the heartache that is taking place.

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Do you speak King James English around your house? PrOBably not.

I love that line. It show the intelligence level of the person stating the question.
Do you speak like the NIV English? How about NAS English? What about NASV English?
Modern versions have hundreds of archaic words that people do not speak anymore. So do you speak NIV English around your house? Truth is nOBody speaks like any of the modern versions.

I'm done hijacking this thread. Back on topic.


asysin2leads, I'm praying for you.
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One thing for sure, if you fight for custody because they're going to a different church you will get no where. There is no easy answer for this situation, no matter what you do the children suffer.

And its true, the children get caught in the middle and suffer the worse when divorce is in the picture.

Hope and pray all works out well.

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Ok, I've had a little bit of sleep and my brain is starting to un-goo. Let me clarify a couple of things. First, we are not seeking full custody solely based on church preference. There are several other, more determining, factors. Second, I don't have an issue with the kids speaking their mind, providing they do it respectfully and they do. When we all sat down to discuss this, the kids were calm and cool and laid out their concerns. Her new husband is the one who showed a lack of respect. I think the main reason that it really upsets us is the fact that this did not happen until the VERY day they got married. My ex-wife and us have always been understanding and accommodating to each other. When they got married, that all stopped.

Thanks for the prayers.

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This may be none of my business but I assume the reason you divorced your ex was because one of you was unfaithful? I ask because that is the only grounds for divorce that the Lord permits. So then, if you two "Christians" divorced for any other reason, then I have to say that you're dead in the water as is and it really makes no difference whatsoever which of the English translations you prefer to brainwash your kids with.
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Actually, you're right. It isn't any of your business and you're wrong. Christians get divorced all the time if they are out of the perfect will of God. Second, I am not trying to brain wash our kids. I am trying to teach them correctly. Why are you on a KJV forum if all you do is bad mouth it? If I have 15 people giving me their personal viewpoints on the same topic, how do I know which one to believe? Maybe you should give up reading 10 different perversions and stick with one Bible. If you don't choose the KJV, that is your personal decision, but maybe you should stop taking 10 different viewpoints at the same time. Just a thought.
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I don't know about custody...we have a case in our church and because of the mom's beliefs the judge hasn't even listened to her side of the story (and she's in the right in every way, her ex is being a jerk along with his new wife) and she is really getting a bad end of the stick as the judge hates Christians (and isn't ashamed to admit that.) I assume that's a rising occurance.

And I'm sorry I'm not help about the KJV thing as far as on a kids' level, but your two older kids definitely sound old enough to understand what you are teaching them about it.

Its sad that kids get caught so often in custody fights (etc)....usually the fighting is so petty...its just adults getting back at each other at the expense of the kids (referring to your ex's new spouse).

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Actually, you're right. It isn't any of your business and you're wrong. Christians get divorced all the time if they are out of the perfect will of God. Second, I am not trying to brain wash our kids. I am trying to teach them correctly. Why are you on a KJV forum if all you do is bad mouth it? If I have 15 people giving me their personal viewpoints on the same topic, how do I know which one to believe? Maybe you should give up reading 10 different perversions and stick with one Bible. If you don't choose the KJV, that is your personal decision, but maybe you should stop taking 10 different viewpoints at the same time. Just a thought.


Pay no attention to that guy as He has no true understanding of Scripture and teaches certain sins to be acceptable; and as you prOBably noticed, doesn't even believe we have the true Word of God to learn from.
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Actually, you're right. It isn't any of your business and you're wrong. Christians get divorced all the time if they are out of the perfect will of God. Second, I am not trying to brain wash our kids. I am trying to teach them correctly. Why are you on a KJV forum if all you do is bad mouth it? If I have 15 people giving me their personal viewpoints on the same topic, how do I know which one to believe? Maybe you should give up reading 10 different perversions and stick with one Bible. If you don't choose the KJV, that is your personal decision, but maybe you should stop taking 10 different viewpoints at the same time. Just a thought.

Yea, don't mind him. He seems to make it his goal to bad mouth the KJV any chance he gets. The only way he could support his wacky doctrine is to use 10 different versions.
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and you're wrong. Christians get divorced all the time if they are out of the perfect will of God.

The sole excuse that the Bible's Christ will accept for divorce is unfaithfulness.

†. Mtt 5:31-32 . . It hath been said: Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement. But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

According to the Bible's Christ; you've caused your ex to live in sin and your current spouse to live in sin; not to mention that you too are living in sin and also fathered three children in sin. In my estimation, your prOBlems with the various English translations are insignificant in comparison to that.

Actually, you're right. It isn't any of your business

May I share a story with you?

†. Mtt 14:3-11 . . Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. For John said unto him: It is not lawful for thee to have her. And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.

. . . But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.

. . . And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison. And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.

Herod's unholy relationship with Herodias cost the life of an innocent man. And just look at the quandary your own kids are in now because of YOUR unholy relationships. They're just kids; but YOU are a Christian adult, educated in a Christian Bible college. Shame on you!

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The sole excuse that the Bible's Christ will accept for divorce is unfaithfulness.

†. Mtt 5:31-32 . . It hath been said: Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement. But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

According to the Bible's Christ; you've caused your ex to live in sin and your current spouse to live in sin; not to mention that you too are living in sin and also fathered three children in sin. In my estimation, your prOBlems with the various English translations are insignificant in comparison to that.


May I share a story with you?

†. Mtt 14:3-11 . . Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. For John said unto him: It is not lawful for thee to have her. And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.

. . . But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.

. . . And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison. And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.

Herod's indiscretion cost the life of an innocent man. And just look at the quandary your own kids are in now because of YOUR indiscretion. They're just kids; but YOU are a Christian adult, educated in a Christian Bible college. Shame on you!

C.L.I.F.F.
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The Bible's Christ also says that feeding the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh is a sin. Undressing another mans wife with your eyes and having erotic fantasies is, according to the Bible's Christ, a sin, it's unfaithful adultery of the heart.

If such is not repented of then one is walking out of fellowship with the Bible's Christ. They should remove the beam from their own eye before trying to pick at specks in another.
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According to the Bible's Christ; you've caused your ex to live in sin and your current spouse to live in sin; not to mention that you too are living in sin and also fathered three children in sin. In my estimation, your prOBlems with the various English translations are insignificant in comparison to that.
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I'm sure that you'll find something in one of your little books of perversion that will also say that I am going to Hell because I am divorced, and therefore, unsaved. Keep reaching here, sparky.

Thanks for the advice gents, with the exception of Webers_home. I don't take anything he says to be truth. If I recall, God is a forgiving God. He can also forgive divorce. Unless the Bible is lying. <_<
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Ok, I've had a little bit of sleep and my brain is starting to un-goo. Let me clarify a couple of things. First, we are not seeking full custody solely based on church preference. There are several other, more determining, factors. Second, I don't have an issue with the kids speaking their mind, providing they do it respectfully and they do. When we all sat down to discuss this, the kids were calm and cool and laid out their concerns. Her new husband is the one who showed a lack of respect. I think the main reason that it really upsets us is the fact that this did not happen until the VERY day they got married. My ex-wife and us have always been understanding and accommodating to each other. When they got married, that all stopped.

Thanks for the prayers.

I'm sorry to hear that! As to your reasons for custody: none of us walk in your shoes and your reasons are your own and (I'm sure you know this) none of us are in position to say what you should and shouldn't sue custody for. I do hope it works out for you - it sounds like the kids will have greater stability in your home.

I want to reiterate that the best way for the kids to continue to stand firm with the KJB is to memorize many verses with them from it. Maybe even put together small notebooks with verses in them for the kids to work on daily - even at their mom's house - as part of their devotions.

The best way to spot a counterfeit is to be completely familiar with the real thing. The same holds true with the KJB - being extra familiar with it helps put a battlement up as a protection against falsehood (whether it be other versions or the world's philosophies).

It sounds like your kids have a good grasp on which Bible to use! I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. Donald Waite, but he has spent years in study and research on the KJB and has written much. Maybe a thought would be to purchase some of his materials and go through them with your kids - taking it as slow as they might need (some of his stuff can get weighty, but it's always good).

I'm sure also that if you wrote Dr. Waite and asked for ideas as to KJB resources for kids, if there is anything written, he would be happy to help. I've written him before and he has answered. His website: http://biblefortoday.org/
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I'm sure that you'll find something in one of your little books of perversion that will also say that I am going to Hell because I am divorced, and therefore, unsaved. Keep reaching here, sparky.

Thanks for the advice gents, with the exception of Webers_home. I don't take anything he says to be truth. If I recall, God is a forgiving God. He can also forgive divorce. Unless the Bible is lying. <_<


:amen: Divorce is NOT the unpardonable sin.
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Folks, it is clear that asysin2leads wanted this thread to go in a certain direction. Let's respect that.

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†. 1Tim 5:20-21 . .Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou OBserve these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

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    • Razor

      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
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      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
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      Psalms 139 Psalm 139:9-10
      9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy righthand shall hold me. 
       
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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
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      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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