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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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The church should help her out and take care of her.

I Tim. 5:16, "If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed."

For every one situation like this, there are many more where God provided for the people and they're need were taken care of. Not to mention we don't know this lady's whole story, we're just getting your take on it. Many times people think they can't afford to give, but that's because they spend needlessly. Many people from my parents generation (baby boomers) didn't think about the future and save or invest, and now they're in trouble.

Personally, God's always taken care of us. I have an 805 credit score even though I make around 60% less than I did before college, three children, and a car loan. Last time I tried to refi our SUV, it blew them away, they had no idea how we manage to pay our bills with our debt to income ratio and maintain good credit. It's God.

If I were a pastor, I personally wouldn't compel people to tithe/give out of fear of being cursed, the motive in the New Testament is that of joy and sacrifice.
True, the Church should have been caring for her. She is poor, has been all her life. She had to bury her husband in 1960, raised 5 kids with what money she could make through ironing and babysitting, dealt with cancer in the 80's and won that battle. In 2007, her oldest son died.

In all those years, the Church has given her seven Christmas fruit baskets and $50 dollars toward her son's funeral expenses.

Yes, the Church is indeed guilty of oppression.
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As the wife of a pastor though I'd like to defend my husband in that he is never "oppressive" and he never browbeats anyone to give, and I don't appreciate the insinuation that pastors who occasionally teach tithing and faith missions are "oppressive. He is also the most giving person I know and we have given MANY things, and money, to the poor in our church, and outside of it.

Thank you.

If those on here who want to continue using the Bible to support hoarding all of your income for yourself, go right ahead...and let us give in our pitiful ignorance.

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Any preacher who teaches the congregation that they are to tithe, whether they preach the message once a year or once every three years, it oppressing the congregation.

God nowhere gives authority to the New Testament Church to teach its congregation to tithe of their money... nowhere.

If it isn't in the Word of God, we are not to add it to the Word of God. Revelation reveals severe consequences for adding to the Word of God.

Those who teach the congregation to tithe their money are guilty of the first definition of oppression.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary:

1. The act of oppressing; the imposition of unreasonable burdens, either in taxes or services; cruelty; severity.


Kitagirl said:
If those on here who want to continue using the Bible to support hoarding all of your income for yourself, go right ahead...and let us give in our pitiful ignorance.


I take offense at this remark. I am not hoarding, and to insinuate that I am is wrong.

I ride around in a 14 year old vehicle. The only lukury I have is my computer. I don't have a savings account. One could walk through my home and call my banking institution and easily see I am not hoarding my money, nor am I extravagantly spending my money.

I have 7 days to go before my disability check comes in and all I have in the freezer are two salisbury steak meals, a half loaf of bread on the counter and two packages of Ramen.

We have less than $20 in our bank account at present.

We are not hoarders... not by a long shot. Edited by Standing Firm In Christ
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Well I take offense that you have said pastors are oppressive (and by your definition, so is God!).

So I guess we're equally offended then! haha.

Cool deal.

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Any preacher who teaches the congregation that they are to tithe, whether they preach the message once a year or once every three years, it oppressing the congregation.

God nowhere gives authority to the New Testament Church to teach its congregation to tithe of their money... nowhere.

If it isn't in the Word of God, we are not to add it to the Word of God. Revelation reveals severe consequences for adding to the Word of God.

Those who teach the congregation to tithe their money are guilty of the first definition of oppression.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary:



Kitagirl said:


I take offense at this remark. I am not hoarding, and to insinuate that I am is wrong.

I ride around in a 14 year old vehicle. The only lukury I have is my computer. I don't have a savings account. One could walk through my home and call my banking institution and easily see I am not hoarding my money, nor am I extravagantly spending my money.

I have 7 days to go before my disability check comes in and all I have in the freezer are two salisbury steak meals, a half loaf of bread on the counter and two packages of Ramen.

We have less than $20 in our bank account at present.

We are not hoarders... not by a long shot.


I feel your pain and understand your situation. May I suggest (this isn't meant to be sarcastic or flippant) that if things are that tight that you drop your internet service and buy some groceries (that is if you are using a paid service)?
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I feel your pain and understand your situation. May I suggest (this isn't meant to be sarcastic or flippant) that if things are that tight that you drop your internet service and buy some groceries (that is if you are using a paid service)?
Since all my family are on the east coast and on the west coast, and I in the middle, my telephone is my only means of keeping in touch with them. That said, it was cheaper for me to get a bundle package than to go with telephone alone.

My internet is not the problem at all. Though I have little groceries in the house at the end of every month, God sees me through.

And my internet is used as my ministry. My health problems prevent me from going out knocking on doors. The heat, for one thing is too much. I have asthma and COPD, and the heat and pollens in the air take my breath whenever I have to venture out.

I also have blood pressure problems that cause my BP to drop if I stand too long. Even sitting, it stays dangerously low most of the time. Normal for me is 93/53 or thereabouts.

Then there is the blindness due to retinal deterioration and retinitis pigmentosa.

I am unable to get out like most people, so the internet is my doorway to the world. I have been able to use this as a tool for reaching many souls with the truth as it is written in the Word of God.
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Since all my family are on the east coast and on the west coast, and I in the middle, my telephone is my only means of keeping in touch with them. That said, it was cheaper for me to get a bundle package than to go with telephone alone.

My internet is not the problem at all. Though I have little groceries in the house at the end of every month, God sees me through.

And my internet is used as my ministry. My health problems prevent me from going out knocking on doors. The heat, for one thing is too much. I have asthma and COPD, and the heat and pollens in the air take my breath whenever I have to venture out.

I also have blood pressure problems that cause my BP to drop if I stand too long. Even sitting, it stays dangerously low most of the time. Normal for me is 93/53 or thereabouts.

Then there is the blindness due to retinal deterioration and retinitis pigmentosa.

I am unable to get out like most people, so the internet is my doorway to the world. I have been able to use this as a tool for reaching many souls with the truth as it is written in the Word of God.


Understood. May God continue to meet your needs and bless you richly.
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Well I take offense that you have said pastors are oppressive (and by your definition, so is God!).

So I guess we're equally offended then! haha.

Cool deal.



As an outside observer, this made me laugh.

I hope you guys can work this out and that there won't be any hard feelings. I'm like the dinosaur on Toy Story, "I don't like confrontation!"

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As an outside observer, this made me laugh.

I hope you guys can work this out and that there won't be any hard feelings. I'm like the dinosaur on Toy Story, "I don't like confrontation!"

:th_laugh1:

As I said, my stance is Biblical. I find no Biblical justification for her to say I am hoarding my income.

And her saying that I am accusing God of oppressing is wrong too. I agree with God. He never commanded, nor did He even suggest that anyone give 10% of their money to Church.

To teach that people are to tithe 10% of their money is adding to the Word of God... oppressing His people.

Acts 15:10 (KJV) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter was not just speaking of circumcision here, but of the entire Mosaic Law. And he said the Gentile Believers were not to be put under that yoke of bondage.

God's tithe was meant for a specific people... those living in Israel and no one else. There is no amendment to that command to include people living in other nations.

To say we are to tithe, is to add to God's Holy Word.

Teach people to give gracefully and cheerfully. God will be more pleased with such a message than one that brings people under bondage.
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Personal issues can be defined as matters about which the Lord has not revealed his preferences; thus each Christian is at liberty to follow the dictates of their own conscience. In those situations, the Lord's wishes, as stipulated in the 14th chapter of Romans, are to be followed; five of which are:

†. Rom 14:3 . . Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

†. Rom 14:4 . .Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.

†. Rom 14:5 . . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

†. Rom 14:14 . . to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

†. Rom 14:22 . . Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

Do you trust Baptist pastors? Look in the yellow pages for a Baptist church in your area and make an appointment with a pastor to have him explain the principles regulating personal issues in the 14th chapter of Romans. It doesn't have to be the senior pastor; an associate pastor will do.

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What matters are there that God's word doesn't address either directly through command or by principles He outlines for our lives?
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Well I take offense that you have said pastors are oppressive (and by your definition, so is God!).

So I guess we're equally offended then! haha.

Cool deal.


Since God does not demand a tithe of Christians, God can't be said to be oppressing Christians in this manner.

Christians are to give according to what God puts in their hearts to give, whether that would amount to 1% or 100% of any particular check or income, and trust God to provide for our needs regardless of the amount we have afterwards.
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What matters are there that God's word doesn't address either directly through command or by principles He outlines for our lives?


So you're saying:

1) the 14th chapter of Romans doesn't matter.

2) Christ's pastors don't matter.

Well, you're certainly mistaken on both counts. For one, the 14th of Romans was written by Paul the apostle as a duly authorized agent of the Bible's Christ.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

And second, Christ's pastors are a divine gratuity with a divine purpose.

†. Eph 4:11-14 . . And he gave some apostles. . . and some pastors; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

It appears to me that you feel competent enough on your own to get by without Christ's pastors, and apparently without Paul too.

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So you're saying:

1) the 14th chapter of Romans doesn't matter.

2) Christ's pastors don't matter.

Well, you're certainly mistaken on both counts. For one, the 14th of Romans was written by Paul the apostle as a duly authorized agent of the Bible's Christ.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

And second, Christ's pastors are a divine gratuity with a divine purpose.

†. Eph 4:11-14 . . And he gave some apostles. . . and some pastors; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

It appears to me that you feel competent enough on your own to get by without Christ's pastors, and apparently without Paul too.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Neither 1 Corinthians 14, nor Ephesians 4 have anything to do with the false teaching of tithes in the Church.
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So you're saying:

1) the 14th chapter of Romans doesn't matter.

2) Christ's pastors don't matter.

Well, you're certainly mistaken on both counts. For one, the 14th of Romans was written by Paul the apostle as a duly authorized agent of the Bible's Christ.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

And second, Christ's pastors are a divine gratuity with a divine purpose.

†. Eph 4:11-14 . . And he gave some apostles. . . and some pastors; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

It appears to me that you feel competent enough on your own to get by without Christ's pastors, and apparently without Paul too.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Your post fails to answer the question at hand. What matters are there that God's word doesn't address either directly through command or by principles He outlines for our lives?
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I have not tried to give 10% because God has not told me to give 10%.

Maybe it is nothing for you to give 10%, but for me, it is an impossibility. And it is wrong of you, or anyone else to accuse me of not having faith because I do not give 10%.

As a matter of fact, it is arrogance to say the least to tell me I must try to give that much.


Now, this makes more sense to me. God has not told you to give 10% is a good enough reason for me. I have no issues with that.

And, aren't we all lacking in faith? I didn't say you didn't have faith, but you surely don't have faith enough to give 10%. Just like I might not have enough faith to give 50% or whatever number we are dealing with.

And really, why do you keep feeling no one is as poor as you or has ever been in your shoes? I'm in the military, I am on call 24/7...if we add up an hourly wage going by those figures I probably make about $1.50 an hour. Stop playing the victim here at all turns.

If God told you to give 10%, would you? You said it's an impossibility...would you give it? I'm unsure if my faith is strong enough to give 50%, that's for sure.
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Now, this makes more sense to me. God has not told you to give 10% is a good enough reason for me. I have no issues with that.

And, aren't we all lacking in faith? I didn't say you didn't have faith, but you surely don't have faith enough to give 10%. Just like I might not have enough faith to give 50% or whatever number we are dealing with.

And really, why do you keep feeling no one is as poor as you or has ever been in your shoes? I'm in the military, I am on call 24/7...if we add up an hourly wage going by those figures I probably make about $1.50 an hour. Stop playing the victim here at all turns.

If God told you to give 10%, would you? You said it's an impossibility...would you give it? I'm unsure if my faith is strong enough to give 50%, that's for sure.


One thing to remember is that God will not ask us to give more than we can. If one prays to God for guidance, whether the Lord says to put 20 or 120 dollars in the plate this Sunday we know this is what we are to do and the Lord will meet our needs.

Our giving isn't about the amount we give, it's about our obedience in giving what the Lord directs us to give.

On a personal note in this area, when the Lord led us to our current church and before I had joined the church, the Lord led me to give a certain amount. The week before I became a member the Lord made it clear that as a member I was to double our giving. On the surface, in my own reasoning, this seemed like a potentially huge problem as I could see no way to fit such into our planned budget. Thankfully, I obeyed the Lord and somehow I've never noticed a difference in effecting our budget.

We really shouldn't over think all this. Take the issue to the Lord in prayer; listen for His answer, then whatever He leads one to give, obey Him and trust Him.
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One thing to remember is that God will not ask us to give more than we can. If one prays to God for guidance, whether the Lord says to put 20 or 120 dollars in the plate this Sunday we know this is what we are to do and the Lord will meet our needs.

Our giving isn't about the amount we give, it's about our obedience in giving what the Lord directs us to give.

On a personal note in this area, when the Lord led us to our current church and before I had joined the church, the Lord led me to give a certain amount. The week before I became a member the Lord made it clear that as a member I was to double our giving. On the surface, in my own reasoning, this seemed like a potentially huge problem as I could see no way to fit such into our planned budget. Thankfully, I obeyed the Lord and somehow I've never noticed a difference in effecting our budget.

We really shouldn't over think all this. Take the issue to the Lord in prayer; listen for His answer, then whatever He leads one to give, obey Him and trust Him.


Of course you're right John. I don't know if I believe in the 10% thing anymore but surely if God leads us to give a certain amount we should obey (even if it seems like impossible and we do not know how we could even eat after giving that amount). God will provide our basic needs.
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The first tactic of the devil, all the way from the Garden of Eden, is to say... "Yea, hath God said???"

The devil wants us to doubt and water down the Word of God.

There are alot of man made rules in fundamentalism and I'm against each and every one of them.

But I firmly believe that the entire Bible has made a case for 10% being the basic, bottom line of what we should give.

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The first tactic of the devil, all the way from the Garden of Eden, is to say... "Yea, hath God said???"

The devil wants us to doubt and water down the Word of God.

There are alot of man made rules in fundamentalism and I'm against each and every one of them.

But I firmly believe that the entire Bible has made a case for 10% being the basic, bottom line of what we should give.


If that's what you believe then that's how you should give.

Yet what God hath said to Christians is that we are to give according to as God leads in our hearts. If God leads you to give 10%, then that's what you should give.
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