Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Yankee?! I lived in Georgia for three years as a kid! I was born in Vegas though... so I guess you're right. You know what I always say to folks who tell me the south will rise again? I say, "Yes, and we will beat them again..." Ok, so you have some redeeming qualities! LOL Still however, Brother, the Yankee outweighs the good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 AMEN, BROTHER! Oh, wait, that's OFIB's jOB LOL Right back at ya! I need some more folk over here in the AMEN corner, so come on in! Only serious "AMENers" need apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Dodging What?? Simply stating that when God says 'Thou shall not'; He means 'Thou shall not'. Becoming an Evangelist?? I thought we all have the responsibility of proclaiming God's word. "I know and how they don't have an opinion of anything" ???? I've never met anyone who doesn't have opinions!!!!! I've just learned to keep most of mine to myself. Hope to see you in Sept. IMHO, there're only a few true Evangelists, today! Most preachers who hold that title are too mean to pastor or to be pastored, or they keep everything they "believe" to themselves, so as to get more meetings, by fitting in, wherever they are! They'd make good chameleons! LORD-willing, we'll be in Kingsport, in a little less than two weeks! Looking forward to it and seeing you there! BTW, I posted the announcement, in the IFB Lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 IMHO, there're only a few true Evangelists, today! Most preachers who hold that title are too mean to pastor or to be pastored, or they keep everything they "believe" to themselves, so as to get more meetings, by fitting in, wherever they are! They'd make good chameleons! LORD-willing, we'll be in Kingsport, in a little less than two weeks! Looking forward to it and seeing you there! BTW, I posted the announcement, in the IFB Lounge. Those who refuse to take solid biblical stands seem to be a growing prOBlem. Sometimes I already know their view of a matter but when they preach on the subject they dance around it or point out the various views, say they have their view, but then they won't say what their view is. In other words they are saying Scripture says this, many claim it means this, that and the other, I know which view I hold to but I'm not going to tell you so everybody just believe what you want. How unbiblical!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Wow, seven pages on whether it's ok for women to wear pants or not. Yeah, really! If people'd just take the word of God as it is and quit coming up with these craaaaaaazzzzzzzy interpretations, we'd be a whole lot better off! If the Bible says women aren't supposed to ware men's clothes and v/v, (and it does,) we should take it as such! BTW, people can try to find there way around something in the Greek and Hebrew all they want to, but that doesn't make it right! It's time we got back to believing and living by the King James Bible, as it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Already been answered and misapplied by you in previous posts. We are temples of the Holy Spirit. Putting on that which pertains to a man (or vice versa) is not being holy, as we are commanded to be. Believe it or not, God was smart enough to know that cultures would wear different clothing. In America pants pertain to men. Even the lost know that. Which is the basis for the reasoning behind men who are now pushing for society to accept men wearing skirts. Society accepted women wearing pants, and is in the process of accepting men wearing skirts. That's abomination to God. Interestingly enough, Christian men who are okay with women wearing pants vehemently proclaim against men wearing skirts....and yet, not so very many years ago lost society opposed women wearing pants. AMEN, Sis! Don't think I'm gonna get much help over here in the AMEN corner, on this one, but that ain't gonna stop me from AMENin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro K Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 And you're adding to those pages...Only one person called Christian women who wear pants ungodly regardless...perhaps you should be careful to be more accurate in your statements. Where in my statement am I referring to a number of persons??? Ref your post (#123): If I made any misapplications, list them !!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Happy, I think this really isn't a valid point. While people make a big deal about homosexuality, the truth is it's about less than 4% of our population that is gay. This "movement" to try and get men to wear skirts is far less than that. Society is not in the process of accepting skirts on guys. There have always been and always will be a few weirdos here and there no matter what. Two people in a room of 10,000 that nOBody listens to doesn't constitute a movement and certainly isn't society in the process of accepting skirts. I reckon, it all depends on where you're looking! Some people may be accepting that and some may not! The "movement" may be in certain areas of the country and not in others! If this is really going on, it doesn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Some good points here. God's Word applies to everyone today just as it applied to everyone back then and in between. God was well aware of different clothing styles around the world past, present and future. If one wishes, they can go back and follow the whole women wearing pants debate from its beginning and learn just what this is all about. The 1930s and '40s is when the real push to "masculinize" women hit hard. Hollywood was a major factor in this as liberals, feminists and various anti-Christians were involved. Hollywoods leading "ladies" were specifically put forth in films wearing pants and men's suits. They were billed as modern women proving they were as good as men, could act like men, were not bound to tradition or outdated religion, etc. Reading the feminist writings during this time is very enlightening as are sermons which addressed this issue back then. Women wearing pants didn't just happen, there was a specific push to attack Christianity and promote radical feminism, and part of this battle involved getting women to stop dressing and acting like women. The means was to get women to dress like men and act more like men. Along with the drive to get women to dress like men also came drive to get women to drink liquor and smoke cigarettes too in order to show women are just like men, equal to men, can do what men can do, etc. This issue is a part of a much larger spiritual battle that most professing Christians have given up fighting. In fact, most professing Christians have surrendered and joined the enemy in this area. From over here in the corner, AMEN Brother John! That's exactly right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted September 2, 2010 Members Share Posted September 2, 2010 Yeah, really! If people'd just take the word of God as it is and quit coming up with these craaaaaaazzzzzzzy interpretations, we'd be a whole lot better off! If the Bible says women aren't supposed to ware men's clothes and v/v, (and it does,) we should take it as such! BTW, people can try to find there way around something in the Greek and Hebrew all they want to, but that doesn't make it right! It's time we got back to believing and living by the King James Bible, as it is! You must be one of those crazy, fundamentalist Bible thumpers that actually believes that old fashioned, anti-woman book and is just intolerant and inconsiderate of other peoples feelings and all their personally valid views that everyone should accept but you are just to mean-spirited and judgemental to agree everyone should be allowed to do whatever is right in their own eye!!! (BEWARE of this view from not only the world, but a great many professing Christians) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OFIB Preacher Posted September 3, 2010 Members Share Posted September 3, 2010 You must be one of those crazy, fundamentalist Bible thumpers that actually believes that old fashioned, anti-woman book and is just intolerant and inconsiderate of other peoples feelings and all their personally valid views that everyone should accept but you are just to mean-spirited and judgemental to agree everyone should be allowed to do whatever is right in their own eye!!! (BEWARE of this view from not only the world, but a great many professing Christians) Brother John, I do see what you say, in said "Christians!" BTW, to hear them talk, you got a dead ringer! IMHO, (and there's nothing mean spirited about these next three words,) so be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro K Posted September 3, 2010 Members Share Posted September 3, 2010 "Some good points here. God's Word applies to everyone today just as it applied to everyone back then and in between. God was well aware of different clothing styles around the world past, present and future." Yes the Word does apply to everyone. However, II Tim 2:15 tells us to rightly divide the word of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted September 3, 2010 Administrators Share Posted September 3, 2010 "Some good points here. God's Word applies to everyone today just as it applied to everyone back then and in between. God was well aware of different clothing styles around the world past, present and future." Yes the Word does apply to everyone. However, II Tim 2:15 tells us to rightly divide the word of truth. Indeed it does. And there are commands, principles and patterns throughout God's Word that so many Christians want to ignore. It's sad. BroK - please note that I nowhere stated that women who wear pants are ungodly. I do believe that it is wrong, based on much more than there is room to go into (talking about number of pages to a thread!!! ). Now, that said, I'm sure someone will say that if it's wrong, then they are ungodly. But I know women who love the Lord greatly who wear pants: and I would not say they are ungodly. Part of the prOBlem, I believe, is that pants on women has become an ingrained part of our culture (being ingrained doesn't make something right). Women my age grew up in the new era of it being perfectly acceptable for the female form to be clad in whatever they wanted, whether it be pants, jeans (I'll explain the "difference" in a moment) or the mini-skirt. In my mother's age, there were only certain times women wore pants - and only the most indecent of women wore mini-skirts. However, now that has changed. For the most part, Christians are still against mini-skirts. I say for the most part, because there are groups who proclaim their "liberty" in Christ to wear them. But pants have become acceptable because fashion designers have labeled them "women's." [now the pants, jeans differentiation: really, there is none. Jeans are just the material some pants are made from. But when I was younger, my mother allowed my sister and me to wear pants at certain times (never to school or church - if we went). But jeans were verboten, because they were so "OBviously masculine." So, that's the only reason I separated them] Because pants on women has become so accepted in society, Christians have accepted it too. And woe be to anyone who questions it because the Bible doesn't say women shouldn't wear them. And men used to wear rOBes! Pants for women are cut differently, so it's okay. (notice the cut...it actually emphasizes areas that shouldn't be...) Well, the Bible doesn't say don't smoke (God says not to harm our bodies, which are His temple, but smoking isn't specifically mentioned...). The Bible doesn't say don't drink (God says it isn't wise, so that's enough for me, but hey...) And we could all go on. Rightly dividing the Word is more than just "it's gotta be written down in there specifically or else it's not so..." It's comparing commands, principles and patterns. God has decreed that men are the heads of their individual homes. There are men who see no prOBlem with their women wearing pants. That is their business, not mine nor anyone else's. There are men who just go with the flow and let their wives do what they wish so as to not rock the boat. That is their business, not mine or anyone else's. There are men who do not want their wives to wear pants. That is their business, not mine or anyone else's. Each individual man will be held accountable for his leadership in his home - accountable to God, not anyone else. (that doesn't mean it can't be discussed and disagreed with in an open forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted September 3, 2010 Administrators Share Posted September 3, 2010 Where in my statement am I referring to a number of persons??? Ref your post (#123): If I made any misapplications, list them !!!!!!!!!!! Well, perhaps you only meant to reference the one person who said it. But, since those 7 pages weren't written by just the one, it's a natural assumption that all of those misguided folk who believe that pants on women are wrong believe they are ungodly. If that wasn't your intention with what reads to me like sarcasm, I apologize. Post #81: The question was asked should the temple of God look like the temple of the devil. You extrapolated from that to say: "A temple signifies an abode. If a woman wears pants, is she therefore abiding in the temple of the devil? IF so, then she must be unsaved." Absolute misapplication of what was referenced. It was clear in the post that the poster said that we are the temple - we are the abode - of the living God. Basically you were trying to imply that the poster meant a woman who wears pants is unsaved. And that's not accurate. If that isn't what you meant, then I apologize. But it was a misapplication of what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro K Posted September 3, 2010 Members Share Posted September 3, 2010 REF POST #149Well, perhaps you only meant to reference the one person who said it. But, since those 7 pages weren't written by just the one, it's a natural assumption that all of those misguided folk who believe that pants on women are wrong believe they are ungodly. If that wasn't your intention with what reads to me like sarcasm, I apologize. "Since those women who wear pants are ungodly.....there may be seven more pages!!!!!" I try to keep my postings short, to the point and biblically based. However at times I do express my personal opinions. The above statement was meant to convey the old saying "opening a can of worms". As I was growing up: women did not wear pants; neither did they use lipstick and/or makeup; neither did they wear earrings or jewelry(except wedding rings and watches); they only taught the young children and they kept silence in church. How would women of those days judge christian women of today?? We never played sports on Sunday or did any type of work unless it was necessary. Oh yes; we didn't have TVPost #81: The question was asked should the temple of God look like the temple of the devil. You extrapolated from that to say: "A temple signifies an abode. If a woman wears pants, is she therefore abiding in the temple of the devil? IF so, then she must be unsaved." Absolute misapplication of what was referenced. It was clear in the post that the poster said that we are the temple - we are the abode - of the living God. Basically you were trying to imply that the poster meant a woman who wears pants is unsaved. And that's not accurate. If that isn't what you meant, then I apologize. But it was a misapplication of what was said. No misapplication. The question asked, implied that those who wore pants were presenting themselves like the temple of the devil. Therefore I stand behind my response. Is there such a thing as the "temple of the devil"? If so; can a saved person abide in the temple of the devil?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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